What if GTAV sucks?

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VladG

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Just on record, I don't think it will be bad. And by no means catastrophically bad. Too much money has been sunk in it by a company that, has so far, never really produced a bad game. Quite the contrary.

But this is a hypothetical discussion, so here goes:


For one thing, I don't think it would be big enough to significantly shake the foundations of the industry. It probably won't even hurt Rockstar all that much in the short term, since it seems the pre-order numbers alone are insane, probably more than enough to cover the development expenses, or at least significantly blunt the blow.

However, more importantly, I think they would lose a bunch of popularity and gamer good will. People have pre-ordered the game en-masse partly because of the massive marketing budget the game mush have had, but mostly because of Rockstar's and the franchise's reputation. Let's face it, all of the GTA games have been very good. Even GTA IV, flawed and weaker than it's predecessors as it was, was still a very good game.

This loss of popularity will probably be decisive in killing off a potential next super-high budget game from Rockstar. People just won't trust them enough to pre-order again in such numbers, and Rockstar probably won't be able to take the risk of another flop.

As for the industry overall, I think it would be detrimental. Oh, it won't cause a crash, or anything like that, but it will most likely discourage other big developers and publishers from investing massive sums. It probably won't have the positive effect of developers and publishers trying to realistically figure out WHY it failed, and work on avoiding such mistakes. They'll just say "oh noes, big budget no sale, big budget baaad"

And while it's true that a lot of games have over-blown budgets and that there needs to be a change, I still want to see a big, ridiculous budget game now and again, because a very large budget COULD produce an amazing game IF the game is well designed, if the money is well spent, IF there's no stupid interference from publishers, and so on. I really believe that the reason Tomb Raider, Hitman and other such games were big sellers but financial flops is due to the fact that the budget was poorly spent, not because it was too large.
 

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The_Echo said:
Generic4me said:
So my question is, what if it sucks?

Not like is 6/10 meh, like 2/10, this game is horrible, glitchy, boring, ugly, the whole shebang.
If it sucks, then it sucks.

What else would happen? I mean, honestly. Games that suck... suck. And that's the end of it. You know what happened to Duke Nukem Forever and Aliens: Colonial Marines?

That's what would happen.

Well, neither DNF nor A:CM had insane, record setting budgets. And even so their failures had some reverberation in the industry. Nobody talks about a bad game that came from nowhere, had no expectations and amounted to nothing. Both DNF and A:CM made news for quite a while, sparked a ton of controversy and discussion. Imagine what would happen if a game with a budget so insanely high and such a well liked franchise.

One thing that won't happen is people going "meh, just another crappy title" and move on.
 

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imahobbit4062 said:
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Then it would be just like Mass Effect 3.

Oh, how so? As far as I know, ME3 got all it's controversy from having a crappy ending, a lot of it fuelled by the fact that it had EA's stink all over it.

But as far as I know, it was really a matter of people not liking it's creative direction and choice regarding the ending, not so much of the game being actually BAD. And as far as I know, it didn't work with anything close to GTA V's insane budget.


Surely, GTA V being bad in every way (including being a technical mess, as the OP proposed) would raise a very different sort of outcry, and have much more significant and very different repercussions.
 

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shootthebandit said:
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Well, GTA IV was one of the most boring games I think I've played in my life.
I certainly won't be bothering with V.

IMO: Boring is worse than bad. At least bad is funny. At least bad you can enjoy with a perverted enjoyment of what a train wreck everything is.
GTA IV was far from boring, granted the world wasnt as engaging as previous GTAs and there wasnt much to do outside missions but it was still far from a "bad" or "boring" game. It was poor by GTA standards but overall it was a good game
For me, it didn't have all that much to do. The map felt... desolate despite having all these little details. The lack of more than 4 safehouses felt like a downgrade, you know... and rampaging sadly wasn't much fun on the whole real is brown map.

What can I say, I feel like there will be more to do with a variety of scenery and rural locations. There will be a massive opportunity for dirt-biking, ridge-racing, stunts, and rampaging. The outdoors activities in San Andreas were one of my favourite things. Loved going up Mount Chiliad and then driving right off the top. Yes, from the look of it, will have that sort of impressive scenery.

My biggest concern is not that it's easily technically capable of such things, but that the game will try to do everything at once and end up like a pancake on wheels. This is, by all reckoning, going to be a HUGE game. It has to appease a massive audience just to get a return. Does that mean it will appeal to the lowest common denominator? That has always been a concern with games this big, but even more so with this one. But, with the commitment and integrity that Rockstar North possess, I'm sure it will be a good game on its own merit. There's not an awful lot to dumb down. GTA has never been about skill or gameplay depth, but the player experience in interacting with the world.
 

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It won't suck. Lots of people won't like it because it's not their thing, and a bunch of other people will probably tear into it for the sake of being the cool hipster asshole that hated the years biggest hit. By any objective measure, though(glitches, graphics, length etc), I can practically guarantee that it will hold up. Rockstar is too well practiced and well financed to fuck up in that regard. As for subjective opinions, they've earned themselves a very significant, very loyal fanbase over the years, and those people will inevitably support them this time.

I suppose one key way that it could disappoint is if the game makes a mess of the multiple character thing. This being the most unique new feature to the series, it's also the most likely to attract ire from otherwise satisfied fans.

Hypothetically though, if it does suck, I cannot really say. In my uneducated opinion, it could herald the end of the Triple A game, and it might well cripple Rockstar as well. I know that before GTAIV came out, the company was limping by under the weight of money troubles and controversy. I'm not informed enough to really say, but a big loss like this would probably send them back into the shit.
 

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Weaver said:
shootthebandit said:
Weaver said:
Well, GTA IV was one of the most boring games I think I've played in my life.
I certainly won't be bothering with V.

IMO: Boring is worse than bad. At least bad is funny. At least bad you can enjoy with a perverted enjoyment of what a train wreck everything is.
GTA IV was far from boring, granted the world wasnt as engaging as previous GTAs and there wasnt much to do outside missions but it was still far from a "bad" or "boring" game. It was poor by GTA standards but overall it was a good game
It's good to know my subjective opinion on what bores me is completely invalidated because someone says so.
I wasn't claiming the game was boring for everyone, but it was boring for me.
This made me laugh I had no idea we had mindreaders on the Escapist who know you better than you know yourself go home weaver your subjected opinion is invalidated :).

Firstly im gonna say I dont like GTA the 3rd game really really really dissapointed me and it hasnt changed from there.

Secondly its very unlikely this game will suck as in 2/10 suck but if it does I wont care now 6/10 suck thats more like it and would put it in line with GTA3 onwards (yeah I went there).

I am more interested to see if the game turns much profit because I frankly havent heard much about this game at all I have seen literally zero hype for it from anybody even my friends who like GTA (or at least used to as I dont know many who enjoyed 4 and none who liked San Andreas).

It will sell well I have no doubt about that but will it sell well enough? I havent heard much about GTA since COD took over from it as the next big thing.
 

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I actually hope GTA5 flops like an impotent flaccid penis, just because of how obnoxious the hype is becoming. Rockstar annoys me to no end, shying away from PC gamers like they are lepers or something. Now PC gamers are forced to write petitions, practically begging Rockstar to release their product on a platform that is clearly superior to current gen consoles and arguably superior to next gen? Seriously? Fuck that, Rockstar. Just fuck that.
 

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Generic4me said:
It should come as no surprise to anybody here that GTAV is going to be a huge game this fall. Its around the corner, looks phenomenal, and me and everybody I know is ultra-excited for it. Its the most expensive game ever made (setting the record for the second time), and they've already made their money back in pre orders alone.

So my question is, what if it sucks?

Not like is 6/10 meh, like 2/10, this game is horrible, glitchy, boring, ugly, the whole shebang.

What kind of effects could such a thing have on the gaming industry?

I'm aware that a big deal now is inflating development budgets, obviously budgets would be made smaller if a project that had so much money thrown at it could fail. Might publishers stop taking risks with their games? Or perhaps the opposite, a belief that failure to make new IP constantly could be a colossal failure? Maybe the gaming industry might even have a small recession, with all the negativity from the project.

Anyways, I'm interested in hearing what other people have to add to this, its definitely not going to happen, but it seems like something that isn't talked about and should be.
I wouldn't worry. If by some astronomical quirk of fate the game manages to be terrible there will still be enough feckless sycophants around willing to defend it to the death as the best thing since sliced bread.
 

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Well, GTA4 was awful (in the sense that it wasn't fun and was a substantial step backwards for the series, even compared to GTA3) and it still got perfect scores and sold millions of units. I'm quite confident in saying that GTAV could be as fun as an ice pick to the temple and it would still get high scores and sell millions.
 

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VladG said:
imahobbit4062 said:
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Then it would be just like Mass Effect 3.

Oh, how so? As far as I know, ME3 got all it's controversy from having a crappy ending, a lot of it fuelled by the fact that it had EA's stink all over it.

But as far as I know, it was really a matter of people not liking it's creative direction and choice regarding the ending, not so much of the game being actually BAD. And as far as I know, it didn't work with anything close to GTA V's insane budget.


Surely, GTA V being bad in every way (including being a technical mess, as the OP proposed) would raise a very different sort of outcry, and have much more significant and very different repercussions.
I think he meant more in how the general forums would become in reaction to it.

Which I'm inclined to agree with. Gaming forums have been an absolute mess since Mass Effect 3 released, and while I'm sure the content of the bitching would be different in the case of Grand Theft Auto, it would still have the same effect of completely clogging up every video game-related internet forum with insane amounts of whining and bitching.
 

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It will be disappointing but im sure we will get over it. If not, and people cant get over being disappointed, then over the next 6 - 12 months people will be bitching and moaning about.
 

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I personally wouldn't be phased (fased...whatever) if it is good or bad, as it isn't my type of game, I am not big on the free roam, I've never been that intersted in the games. I prefer a game whith a focused memorable story but big levels like tomb raider, bioshock or the original crysis (well maybe not story for crysis). (exceptions to this goes to mass effect and some others). and many are in the same boat as me. if it bombs it would be sad, but a lot of people just wouldn't care and in 6 months mostly everyone will have moved on (or atleast I hope so, or think so, atleast in my opinion)
 

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Hawkeye21 said:
I actually hope GTA5 flops like an impotent flaccid penis, just because of how obnoxious the hype is becoming. Rockstar annoys me to no end, shying away from PC gamers like they are lepers or something. Now PC gamers are forced to write petitions, practically begging Rockstar to release their product on a platform that is clearly superior to current gen consoles and arguably superior to next gen? Seriously? Fuck that, Rockstar. Just fuck that.
I can only imagine that if this were to happen to consoles you wouldn't bat an eyelid.

I mean if you and some others here are going to get angry at one studio for not bringing a game to your platform then I guess I can do that too for games that are on one or two platforms only myself.

Also getting pretty fed up with the over saturated use of the word "superior" because now all I can picture is this image for when the word is mentioned when trying to show dominance against everything else like some primitive ape.

 

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Then.. it's as good as GTA IV so people are already used to it and won't complain.

Neh, im hopin' its good. After the failure that was the 4th. Good god that game was dull & boring.
 

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Shadow-Phoenix said:
I can only imagine that if this were to happen to consoles you wouldn't bat an eyelid.

I mean if you and some others here are going to get angry at one studio for not bringing a game to your platform then I guess I can do that too for games that are on one or two platforms only myself.

Also getting pretty fed up with the over saturated use of the word "superior" because now all I can picture is this image for when the word is mentioned when trying to show dominance against everything else like some primitive ape.
Anything a PS3 or 360 can do, a current-gen PC can do better. The reverse is not true. That's not "trying to show dominance", it's just what happens when one platform has been advancing for seven years while the others have stayed the same. Thus, expecting a game able to run on consoles to run at least as well on PC is entirely reasonable, while expecting a PC game to perform as well on consoles just isn't.