What if... Mass Effect 2 ending leading into ME3 idea (spoilers)

[Steampunk Viking]

What if you let the Collector base remain intact, but Shepard dies? Do you think he could return in ME3 as an indoctrinated Reaper slave?

Doubt that since Bioware have already stated that if you die, you'll play as Shepard, but not the "same" Shepard... oh wait, I suppose that is possible, but that'd be lazy plot development on Bioware's behalf, and that's just not something Bioware's known for.

After finishing the game myself, I realised that, if you died, you bought the game for the wrong damn reasons. Seriously, I can't see how you can die unless you're TRYING to get yourself killed. I do like the fact that you can't dawdle about in certain sections or you screw up big time however, though it was frustrating (I hadn't finished Legion's loyalty mission before my crew was abducted).

Personally, I have a feeling in Mass Effect 3, you'll not only have to recruit allies (which I reckon all the surviving previous members are possibilities, maybe not Mass Effect 2's, but I reckon Liara and the surviving Human character will be able to join you) but also unite all the races into one massive battle with the Reapers, a bit like Dragon Age. I think it'd make such a cinematic and absolute, no loose ends ending to such a brilliant trilogy, but who knows. Bioware's full of surprises.

 

[Agayek]

Only legion died for me, can't say i'm too sad about that.

HERESY!

You killed the best character in the game

 

[TheDoctor455]

If Shepard dies, and it stays intact, the ending looks like this. This also makes me realize the Illusive Man wanted Shepard to kill the Collectors, save the base, and die trying. He's already got research ships at the base around 1:20. I bet he could get there all along, but it wasn't safe enough.

Was it just me, or did all of those "research ships" look like more Collector ships?

 

[Agayek]

Doubt that since Bioware have already stated that if you die, you'll play as Shepard, but not the "same" Shepard... oh wait, I suppose that is possible, but that'd be lazy plot development on Bioware's behalf, and that's just not something Bioware's known for.

Bioware has already said, it's completely non-canon for Shepard to die. If that happens, importing an ME2 save into ME3 does absolutely nothing. You just can't import an ME2 save with a dead Shepard into the last game.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98108-BioWare-A-Dead-Shepard-Stays-Dead

 

[Axeli]

Doubt that since Bioware have already stated that if you die, you'll play as Shepard, but not the "same" Shepard... oh wait, I suppose that is possible, but that'd be lazy plot development on Bioware's behalf, and that's just not something Bioware's known for.

Bioware has already said, it's completely non-canon for Shepard to die. If that happens, importing an ME2 save into ME3 does absolutely nothing. You just can't import an ME2 save with a dead Shepard into the last game.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98108-BioWare-A-Dead-Shepard-Stays-Dead

To be fair, you have to go pretty retarded to get Shepard to die... Still, it seems pretty lame that Bioware isn't bothering to make an altered story where you play with new character when they are using the whole "what you do in previous games changes the sequels" as a selling point for the series.

Not that what you did in ME1 affected much anything in ME2 either, so it's kinda obvious Bioware is already chickening out on the whole continuity thing. Kinda like there was supposed to be six different stories in DA:O, but it was really just six different intros.
A shame. This could have been the most epic trilogy ever if you could start over from the first one and get a completely altered story for the rest of the series.

 

[JeanLuc761]

Personally, I have a feeling in Mass Effect 3, you'll not only have to recruit allies (which I reckon all the surviving previous members are possibilities, maybe not Mass Effect 2's, but I reckon Liara and the surviving Human character will be able to join you) but also unite all the races into one massive battle with the Reapers, a bit like Dragon Age. I think it'd make such a cinematic and absolute, no loose ends ending to such a brilliant trilogy, but who knows. Bioware's full of surprises.

Given how much Bioware worked to develop your squadmates in Mass Effect 2, I would be sorely disappointed if they scrapped 4-8 of them for the sake of having a new ensemble.

Matter of fact, I can think of at least 4 characters who will most likely be in ME3: Tali, Miranda, Grunt, and Joker. Tali's an easy pick; Ms. vas Normandy isn't going anywhere. Miranda quit Cerberus, probably to join Shepard. Grunt sees Shepard as his battlemaster, and Joker is just a requirement

 

[Steampunk Viking]

Doubt that since Bioware have already stated that if you die, you'll play as Shepard, but not the "same" Shepard... oh wait, I suppose that is possible, but that'd be lazy plot development on Bioware's behalf, and that's just not something Bioware's known for.

Bioware has already said, it's completely non-canon for Shepard to die. If that happens, importing an ME2 save into ME3 does absolutely nothing. You just can't import an ME2 save with a dead Shepard into the last game.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98108-BioWare-A-Dead-Shepard-Stays-Dead

Fair enough, last I saw they said you could play Mass Effect 3 with a different Shepard, but I didn't see this article.

 

[Agayek]

To be fair, you have to go pretty retarded to get Shepard to die... Still, it seems pretty lame that Bioware isn't bothering to make an altered story where you play with new character when they are using the whole "what you do in previous games changes the sequels" as a selling point for the series.

Not that what you did in ME1 affected much anything in ME2 either, so it's kinda obvious Bioware is already chickening out on the whole continuity thing. Kinda like there was supposed to be six different stories in DA:O, but it was really just six different intros.
A shame. This could have been the most epic trilogy ever if you could start over from the first one and get a completely altered story for the rest of the series.

I dunno about that. It's true that most of the choices in ME1 carried into ME2 were minor characters and the like, but there is definitely potential for some rather massive divergent storylines along the way. The biggest point that comes to mind is the Rachnai Queen and whether or not she survived. Depending on how they do it, there could be quite a lot of difference just from that one decision in the finale of the trilogy.

 

[Katana314]

If it helps anyone, I thought about calling The Illusive Man "Tim".
The Illusive Man
T---I--------M
Tim.

However, as dramatic as that sole-survivor thing is, I think Bioware said it's non-canonical.

When I destroyed the facility, my logic was this: The last time we brought reaper/collector technology on-board, it launched a virus and nearly got the whole crew killed. Bringing on a massive half-finished REAPER can only be exponentially more dangerous. The pulse is supposed to disable it, but EDI said herself those things are only half robot.

 

[Stoorm_]

My thane died
i was pissed about that!
died in a pathetic way aswell
he was the my favourite guy
brang him everywhere with me

i cudnt give a dam about my sheperd is he has no thane

 

[Steampunk Viking]

I only lost Miranda. I didn't have her loyalty, nor did I have Zaeed or Legion's loyalty (Zaeed 'coz I was a goody two shoes, Legion because I didn't make time for his quest and Miranda because I stood up for Jack over her).

 

[CoverYourHead]

Perfect mission. Hell yeah!

Anyway... BioWare has said that Shepard dying is not cannon, and that him dying in the suicide mission will simply mean that you won't be able to import him to Mass Effect 3.

On another note: Tali had damn well better be in Mass Effect 3.

 

[Mcface]

What if you let the Collector base remain intact, but Shepard dies? Do you think he could return in ME3 as an indoctrinated Reaper slave?

Bioware has already said if you die in 2, you are staying dead.
They have officially said it.

 

[Talvrae]

Save where Shepards there can,t be imported in ME3

 

[Talvrae]

That must be some damn lightweight material in that girder that Joker effortlessly moved out of the way.

Yeah, maybe I missed some dialogue in-game, but aren't Joker's bones supposed to be so brittle that walking around can break his legs? Yet he falls down a couple times (seriously, why doesn't the Normandy have seat belts?) and uses an assault rifle without breaking any bones.

I remember reading somewhere that Cerberus did something to Joker's bones.

Mordrin mention that he is looking to cure Joker
he say att some point that he might have find a way, then say it would cause liver failure so scratch it and re-start is work

 

[God's Clown]

Perfect mission. Hell yeah!

Anyway... BioWare has said that Shepard dying is not cannon, and that him dying in the suicide mission will simply mean that you won't be able to import him to Mass Effect 3.

On another note: Tali had damn well better be in Mass Effect 3.

I concur on the Tali thing. Tali is the greatest character ever. I also want Legion and Samara in ME3.

As for the canon business, Shepard dead = You get to play a Shepard that more then likely killed half the universe, and just in general isn't a pleasant guy. Of course, if you decided to go with Renegade play-through and Shepard didn't die, then its to the same effect, just you get extra money, and stuff.

 

[Uszi]

Personally, I have a feeling in Mass Effect 3, you'll ... unite all the races into one massive battle with the Reapers, a bit like Dragon Age. I think it'd make such a cinematic and absolute, no loose ends ending to such a brilliant trilogy, but who knows. Bioware's full of surprises.

I'm kind of hoping for this. My Shep is some kind of fucking Buddhist that hasn't killed anyone when given the chance, meaning I will hopefully have an army of Rachni and an Army of Brainwashed-to-be-good Geth helping me out.

Of course, I could also be totally bitten in the ass by my decisions... That would be equally epic, IMO. I would not complain at all if all of my play leading up to ME3 resulted in me losing the war because I made the Geth and Rachni stronger, who in turn side with the reapers, or start some war of their own weakening the galaxy.

I think the Geth joining up is strongly hinted in the paragon resolution to the Legion/Tali fight.

Shepard dead = You get to play a Shepard that more then likely killed half the universe, and just in general isn't a pleasant guy. Of course, if you decided to go with Renegade play-through and Shepard didn't die, then its to the same effect, just you get extra money, and stuff.

All Sheps are fun Sheps. I kind of like that my psycho violent Shep looks like some cyborg with his glowing eyes.

 

[Talvrae]

Personally, I have a feeling in Mass Effect 3, you'll ... unite all the races into one massive battle with the Reapers, a bit like Dragon Age. I think it'd make such a cinematic and absolute, no loose ends ending to such a brilliant trilogy, but who knows. Bioware's full of surprises.

I'm kind of hoping for this. My Shep is some kind of fucking Buddhist that hasn't killed anyone when given the chance, meaning I will hopefully have an army of Rachni and an Army of Brainwashed-to-be-good Geth helping me out.

Of course, I could also be totally bitten in the ass by my decisions... That would be equally epic, IMO. I would not complain at all if all of my play leading up to ME3 resulted in me losing the war because I made the Geth and Rachni stronger, who in turn side with the reapers, or start some war of their own weakening the galaxy.

I think the Geth joining up is strongly hinted in the paragon resolution to the Legion/Tali fight.

Shepard dead = You get to play a Shepard that more then likely killed half the universe, and just in general isn't a pleasant guy. Of course, if you decided to go with Renegade play-through and Shepard didn't die, then its to the same effect, just you get extra money, and stuff.

All Sheps are fun Sheps. I kind of like that my psycho violent Shep looks like some cyborg with his glowing eyes.

I play renegade too, but i have let the rachni queen live and brain washed the heretic geth... and saved the genophage cure research... trought i didnt choose to continue the research

 

[DoctorNick]

That must be some damn lightweight material in that girder that Joker effortlessly moved out of the way.

Yeah, maybe I missed some dialogue in-game, but aren't Joker's bones supposed to be so brittle that walking around can break his legs? Yet he falls down a couple times (seriously, why doesn't the Normandy have seat belts?) and uses an assault rifle without breaking any bones.

I remember reading somewhere that Cerberus did something to Joker's bones.

Mordrin mention that he is looking to cure Joker
he say att some point that he might have find a way, then say it would cause liver failure so scratch it and re-start is work

I'd be willing to bet that considering Cerberus brought Shepard back from the dead then curing or at least alleviating rickety bones should be a relatively easy thing to do.