What if Obsidian picked up Mass Effect after ME3...
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Absolutely not. The thing I like about Mass Effect is that it's a setting with tons of grim, dark things that show that it's really kind of a crapsack place to be most of the time. BUT, it has just enough optimism to let you genuinely, seriously make it a better place.
Look back on Obsidian's history of refusing to let the good guys win under ANY circumstances. I fucking guarantee you they would turn Mass Effect into the most depressing game conceptually possible, short of an End of Evangelion game.
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Look back on Obsidian's history of refusing to let the good guys win under ANY circumstances. I fucking guarantee you they would turn Mass Effect into the most depressing game conceptually possible, short of an End of Evangelion game.
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That justifies KotOR II being a buggy disgrace of a game. It does NOTHING to waft away the stench of Neverwinter Nights II, or Fallout: New Vegas. Buggiest games I've ever played, and the former had one of the most pointlessly player-fucking games I've encountered.wolf thing said:
"I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite store on the Citade-store on the Citade-store on the Citade-store on the Citade-store on the Citade-"
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I'd like to say in Obsidian's defense KOTOR II was unfinished because Lucas Arts wanted get it out in time for Christmas sales. That however doesn't excuse the fact that there are still game breaking bugs that were never patched.
I don't think that Mass Effect is going to be farmed out to any one else though. It's Bioware's own IP and I can't imagine them selling it off or franchising it out. I mean the whole point of making their on IP was that they would have complete creative control of it and not have to pander to the IP holders or compete with other companies to get the rights to make more games.
I think Bioware is going to keep developing the ME franchise for some time.
I don't think that Mass Effect is going to be farmed out to any one else though. It's Bioware's own IP and I can't imagine them selling it off or franchising it out. I mean the whole point of making their on IP was that they would have complete creative control of it and not have to pander to the IP holders or compete with other companies to get the rights to make more games.
I think Bioware is going to keep developing the ME franchise for some time.
You can't patch a game that you have no funding to work on. Nor can you add content to an IP you do do not own.
Lucasarts took something like 6-8 months of dev time away in the middle of production and Obsidian was forced to do everything they can just to get the game working at all.
Lucasarts ruined KOTOR II. Not Obsidian.
I think a ME game from obsidian would be pretty sweet, but I would prefer them to pick up Dragon Age.
Lucasarts took something like 6-8 months of dev time away in the middle of production and Obsidian was forced to do everything they can just to get the game working at all.
Lucasarts ruined KOTOR II. Not Obsidian.
I think a ME game from obsidian would be pretty sweet, but I would prefer them to pick up Dragon Age.
I can understand people complaining about Kotor 2, but what was wrong with Neverwinter Nights 2? It was released in a somewhat buggy state but then so was the original Neverwinter Nights as much as people like to forget that fact, most rpg are really. But just like with the first game over time thanks to patches and support NWN2 blossomed into a fantastic experience. Indeed I'd say that in many regards NWN2 is superior to the original, it beyond doubt is singleplayer-wise with Mask of the Betrayer easily blowing all of Biowares work in the NWN franchise out of the water.CJ1145 said:
So I don't get it. Is it just nostalgia making people overlook the flaws of the original game especially upon release, or do most people not remember when NWN was released and just played the 'Diamond' version? Because with Neverwinter Nights at least Obsidian did nothing wrong. Nothing that Bioware themselves hadn't done before anyway. But given time and funding NWN2 became an incredible experience worth playing.
Honestly I think a lot of people just rush to conclusions whenever they heard the name Obsidian. Oh they're far from perfect, but the way some people ***** and complain about them you'd think it was the goddamned apocalypse every time they release a new game. It's getting old.
I'd rent it first, obviously. There's a protocol to uphold, here. Can't just run off supporting things at will. You have to make them wait a bit, then reward them for their diligence in supplying just the right amount of bugs into a fairly solid sequel that sways a bit more in the wind than the predecessor. Don't get me wrong, the care is still there, but between Bioware, the extinct Black Isle, and Bethesda, Obsidian always seems to get, dare I say it, the sloppy seconds for a project, usually the bits that didn't fit into the first (or second, even). It's still good, just slightly sullied, and a little bit less proud of itself.
Poorly. Lambasted by critics due to horrible QA, glitches and game balance and became a pariah for most gamers due to its rep and buggyness. Which hasn't been fixed because the plug was pulled on it soon after.Jove said:
The actual game though? Tons of good ideas that bioware would have done well to take notes from and should you persist through the bugs with the patience of a saint, you were treated to a real diamond in the rough, with a great story and characters and ways to interact with that story. Nevermind that most of the interesting characters have tragically short appearances due to time and budget constraints...eugh, obsidian you make it hard to defend you
Seriously, obsidian have potential >< They are like the under achieving kid in school who always does bad due to internal matters but you just know they can give the heads of class a run for their money if they get their act together...
Notice that you took an argument I never made to roll with there. When I said that Neverwinter Nights 2 was cadaverous with bugs, I never said that the original was better. You seem to have assumed I thought it was better based on my implied (though never stated) preference to BioWare over Obsidian games. You are wrong, at least in this situation. I hated Neverwinter Nights 1. It was so frustrating an experience to me I kind of wished they didn't even make a sequel. But, I think you will find that both Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 are anomalies on their companies' records. Whereas that was the last time BioWare made a shitty game (no, Dragon Age 2 does NOT count. It was mediocre at worse) it was the last time Obsidian genuinely stuck with a game until most of the bugs were gone. Even New Vegas didn't get that kind of star treatment. They're usually content to leave a game sitting after two, maybe three big patches, none of which address the glaring 50% of the bugs within those games.The Madman said:
I am not denying they're good games. I'm denying that they're not buggy messes, and I'm also asserting that Obsidian has too many dark fuck fetishes to be allowed anywhere near a series as idealistic as Mass Effect.
I do not like Obsidian. To me they failed at giving decent support for Fallout New Vegas. Several places in the game practically freeze the game, and there are countless amounts of bugs they won't fix. I really enjoy mass effect and to me obsidian would just mess the entire series up. If bioware did allow obsidian work on a game my guess would be dragon age. Plus obsidian appears to me as people who can't think of their own ideas so they just ask Bethesda and bioware if they can make the next game in their series.
I do not like Obsidian. To me they failed at giving decent support for Fallout New Vegas. Several places in the game practically freeze the game, and there are countless amounts of bugs they won't fix. I really enjoy mass effect and to me obsidian would just mess the entire series up. If bioware did allow obsidian work on a game my guess would be dragon age. Plus obsidian appears to me as people who can't think of their own ideas so they just ask Bethesda and bioware if they can make the next game in their series.
As long as it has nothing to do with the original trilogy. It either has something to do with another cast of characters and story or nothing at all. It would be best for Obsidian to not trample on the toes of the original MEs.
