What if; Women had to be the competitive ones?

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

If women didn't have to compete, Make-up wouldn't exist <_<.

Nailed it.

Also, what's with all the evo psych nonsense in the OP? Logic dictates that if women are the "sheltered ones" and men are outgoing, competitive and risk taking that would mean that there would be more women then men, since the men would suffer more fatal and crippling injuries that would eliminate from the procreation race. And in extension the surviving men would not have to compete since there'd be more women then men.

 

[LetalisK]

Women do have to be competitive. Cattiness and passive aggressive bullshit just isn't as blatant as punching someone in the face and telling them you're going to fuck their mother.

 

[wizzy555]

If women didn't have to compete, Make-up wouldn't exist <_<.

Nailed it.

Also, what's with all the evo psych nonsense in the OP? Logic dictates that if women are the "sheltered ones" and men are outgoing, competitive and risk taking that would mean that there would be more women then men, since the men would suffer more fatal and crippling injuries that would eliminate from the procreation race. And in extension the surviving men would not have to compete since there'd be more women then men.

Well the premise of numbers is nonsense for the reason that men can have reproductive harems, so it's entirely fine for there to be fewer men. The OP has the other flawed assumption that people have to reproduce in exclusive pairs.

 

[Rack]

Interestingly the figures you plucked out are roughly what the existing theory is on our ancestry is (33% Male 66% Female) so at that you'd get something approaching parity. This means men would be a lot closer to women in terms of risk taking, while women wouldn't need to change at all. Competition is a bad way to describe it because everyone is always in competition no matter what, but strategies vary based on how likely it is to find a mate.

 

[Josh123914]

If women didn't have to compete, Make-up wouldn't exist <_<.

Nailed it.

Also, what's with all the evo psych nonsense in the OP? Logic dictates that if women are the "sheltered ones" and men are outgoing, competitive and risk taking that would mean that there would be more women then men, since the men would suffer more fatal and crippling injuries that would eliminate from the procreation race. And in extension the surviving men would not have to compete since there'd be more women then men.

That was why polygamy happened. Also when you look at humans thousands of years ago it was very common for men to die out while hunting, and other men to impregnate the women left behind.
That obviously doesn't happen nowadays, which is why generally polygamy is frowned upon.
Everyone here agrees that women are just as competitive as men, just in different ways. Well male competition involved killing each other, or not dying while taking down prey. Women fucking each other over rarely involved outright murder.

I'm sorry.. this idea is ridiculous. Anyone claiming that women are not openly competitive is just showing they do not know much about women. Females are just as competitive in everything they do. Females strive to be the best just as much as men do. Females are extremely competitive and compete for just about everything, and not just among other females, but females also compete with men as well. Hell when I think about my middle school, high school and college days, I was pretty damn mean. Of course I would never date anyone that one of my friends dated because I am extremely loyal to my friends, however, someone who was not my friend was shitty to me.. well I stole their boyfriends even when I had no interest in their boyfriends. I would not want to keep their boyfriends because i felt they had" contaminated them". ( Yes I know this was completely ridiculous and terrible but yes, I was not the only female who took boyfriends just to spite a girl who pissed you off). The worst part was how easy it is to do. I never had a situation where I was unable to take their boyfriend...so I would get them to break up with them, parade around with them a bit in front of the chic who pissed me off then dump them. Yes, I know that makes me a terrible person. Yes, I have since grown out of such pettiness and cruelty but that doesn't change the damage done to those involved, however, I may have done them a favor if their so called boyfriend was that easy to steal from them in the first place, they would be better off knowing than not knowing. Females are just as competitive as males, just go about showing it in different ways. Hell, girls will date a guy just to piss his friend off as well so they are competing with both male and females even among heterosexual relationships.

Also, I disagree that females have not been competitive from the beginning.Even though men compete to impregnate women, women have also competed for the most desirable males from the beginning as well.

Your high school shenanigans are a perfect example of pre-civilised human competition among females. Ultimately women who were bitches behind closed doors and actively sabotaged others' chances at attracting a mate were at an advantage of passing on their own genes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/mean-girls-scientists-say-women-have-evolved-to-be-indirectly-aggressive-8908954.html

And I really have to ask about your matriachal society.

Where I find a huge flaw in matriarchal societies is that they're too, well, peaceful. Patriarchal societies have a leg up on them because there is reward for success in warfare, and in most there is a drive to innovate that I don't see to the same extent in matriarchal societies. Consigning such a shit job to be in the same rung as sanitation basically means that nobody wants to do it. What I'm saying is you're never going to get an "Alexandra the Great" from a matriarchal society.
The only exception I see here would be Vietnam a couple thousand years ago, they were quite militant but even they were crushed under China, and tbh there's still historical debate over whether it was a firm matriarchal society, or if it was a patriarchal society where women were entitled to job and landowning privileges.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

If women didn't have to compete, Make-up wouldn't exist <_<.

Nailed it.

Also, what's with all the evo psych nonsense in the OP? Logic dictates that if women are the "sheltered ones" and men are outgoing, competitive and risk taking that would mean that there would be more women then men, since the men would suffer more fatal and crippling injuries that would eliminate from the procreation race. And in extension the surviving men would not have to compete since there'd be more women then men.

That was why polygamy happened. Also when you look at humans thousands of years ago it was very common for men to die out while hunting, and other men to impregnate the women left behind.
That obviously doesn't happen nowadays, which is why generally polygamy is frowned upon.
Everyone here agrees that women are just as competitive as men, just in different ways. Well male competition involved killing each other, or not dying while taking down prey. Women fucking each other over rarely involved outright murder.

I'm sorry.. this idea is ridiculous. Anyone claiming that women are not openly competitive is just showing they do not know much about women. Females are just as competitive in everything they do. Females strive to be the best just as much as men do. Females are extremely competitive and compete for just about everything, and not just among other females, but females also compete with men as well. Hell when I think about my middle school, high school and college days, I was pretty damn mean. Of course I would never date anyone that one of my friends dated because I am extremely loyal to my friends, however, someone who was not my friend was shitty to me.. well I stole their boyfriends even when I had no interest in their boyfriends. I would not want to keep their boyfriends because i felt they had" contaminated them". ( Yes I know this was completely ridiculous and terrible but yes, I was not the only female who took boyfriends just to spite a girl who pissed you off). The worst part was how easy it is to do. I never had a situation where I was unable to take their boyfriend...so I would get them to break up with them, parade around with them a bit in front of the chic who pissed me off then dump them. Yes, I know that makes me a terrible person. Yes, I have since grown out of such pettiness and cruelty but that doesn't change the damage done to those involved, however, I may have done them a favor if their so called boyfriend was that easy to steal from them in the first place, they would be better off knowing than not knowing. Females are just as competitive as males, just go about showing it in different ways. Hell, girls will date a guy just to piss his friend off as well so they are competing with both male and females even among heterosexual relationships.

Also, I disagree that females have not been competitive from the beginning.Even though men compete to impregnate women, women have also competed for the most desirable males from the beginning as well.

Your high school shenanigans are a perfect example of pre-civilised human competition among females. Ultimately women who were bitches behind closed doors and actively sabotaged others' chances at attracting a mate were at an advantage of passing on their own genes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/mean-girls-scientists-say-women-have-evolved-to-be-indirectly-aggressive-8908954.html

And I really have to ask about your matriachal society.

Where I find a huge flaw in matriarchal societies is that they're too, well, peaceful. Patriarchal societies have a leg up on them because there is reward for success in warfare, and in most there is a drive to innovate that I don't see to the same extent in matriarchal societies. Consigning such a shit job to be in the same rung as sanitation basically means that nobody wants to do it. What I'm saying is you're never going to get an "Alexandra the Great" from a matriarchal society.
The only exception I see here would be Vietnam a couple thousand years ago, they were quite militant but even they were crushed under China, and tbh there's still historical debate over whether it was a firm matriarchal society, or if it was a patriarchal society where women were entitled to job and landowning privileges.

No, of course you would not get an " Alexandria the great" because violence is viewed as disgusting and gross. Yes, the people are peaceful, in fact the very name means " peaceful ones". Instead of using violence, they developed much more quickly socially instead, and were very much ahead of other civilizations in their negotiation skills. Hopi society built apartments and had small families before apartments were cool. They were a center of trade for North, Central and South America. The Hopi were considered to be one of the wealthiest tribes, instead of war, offered aid to surrounding tribes and many tribes came to the Hopi for help when needed.

It is Hopi custom to welcome all as family, and then the Hopi women go door to door every night to make sure everyone has been fed and is okay. Think of attacking The Hopi like attacking the red cross in today's world.

 

[Zhukov]

No, of course you would not get an " Alexandria the great" because violence is viewed as disgusting and gross. Yes, the people are peaceful, in fact the very name means " peaceful ones". Instead of using violence, they developed much more quickly socially instead, and were very much ahead of other civilizations in their negotiation skills. Hopi society built apartments and had small families before apartments were cool. They were a center of trade for North, Central and South America. The Hopi were considered to be one of the wealthiest tribes, instead of war, offered aid to surrounding tribes and many tribes came to the Hopi for help when needed.

It is Hopi custom to welcome all as family, and then the Hopi women go door to door every night to make sure everyone has been fed and is okay. Think of attacking The Hopi like attacking the red cross in today's world.

Not to put too fine a point on it but, well... how did that work out for them when the folks with muskets and steel showed up?

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

No, of course you would not get an " Alexandria the great" because violence is viewed as disgusting and gross. Yes, the people are peaceful, in fact the very name means " peaceful ones". Instead of using violence, they developed much more quickly socially instead, and were very much ahead of other civilizations in their negotiation skills. Hopi society built apartments and had small families before apartments were cool. They were a center of trade for North, Central and South America. The Hopi were considered to be one of the wealthiest tribes, instead of war, offered aid to surrounding tribes and many tribes came to the Hopi for help when needed.

It is Hopi custom to welcome all as family, and then the Hopi women go door to door every night to make sure everyone has been fed and is okay. Think of attacking The Hopi like attacking the red cross in today's world.

Not to put too fine a point on it but, well... how did that work out for them when the folks with muskets and steel showed up?

Hopi never fought in a war against the US, and they defeated the Spanish, and have never been relocated and still live in the longest continuously occupied settlement in North America, so it worked out much better than the ones who chose to fight. When the US soldiers came and were greeted by smiling women, they did not choose to attack them.

 

[Zhukov]

Not to put too fine a point on it but, well... how did that work out for them when the folks with muskets and steel showed up?

Hopi never fought in a war against the US, and they defeated the Spanish, and have never been relocated and still live in the longest continuously occupied settlement in North America, so it worked out much better than the ones who chose to fight. When the US soldiers came and were greeted by smiling women, they did not choose to attack them.

Fair enough. Maybe your lot is onto something after all.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Women do have to be competitive. Cattiness and passive aggressive bullshit just isn't as blatant as punching someone in the face and telling them you're going to fuck their mother.

Not sure about that. Have seen bitchyness that was about as subtle as an bomb exploding. ^_^

Think of attacking The Hopi like attacking the red cross in today's world.

You're saying the Russian airforce could be the potential downfall of the Hopi?

Oddly enough Russians were not interested in attacking Hopis, they were however often interested in Hopi due to Hopi being an voluntary anarcho communism society.

http://voluntaryist.com/forthcoming/unconquered.html#.Vop8t_krLcs

 

[Prepper247]

Gender polarities would shift and we would be the ones looking for provider females!