That award goes to EA.wintercoat said:
*Company releases game they dislike*
"Oh my god, why aren't they making the game I want!"
*Runs off to whine in a message board. Buys the game anyway. And the next seven sequels.*
What in the Hell is Square doing?
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*Company releases game they dislike*
"Oh my god, why aren't they making the game I want!"
*Runs off to whine in a message board. Buys the game anyway. And the next seven sequels.*
Umm... The other day at E3, Kingdom Hearts 3D?Austin Howe said:
I don;t understand your point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFTqYH9e-pI
It's only partially for us as gamers. The major development houses are already touting their awesome next gen engines. Square-Enix want a piece of that action, and they need to get developers interested in their wares.Austin Howe said:
I exagerate, but this company has fallen into a really depressing trend of announcing a game, and, whilst taking half a decade to develop/release it, announcing a fuck ton of other games that'll take another 5 years.SmarterThanYou said:
Also I find that example especially noteworthy of the problem: that game comes out in fucking July. It took a year to develop it and we're just now seeing a substantial amount of gameplay footage.
I think you underestimate the amount of work and money it would take to do a lot of this, and you grossly over-estimate the return Square-Enix would see for half these titles.Austin Howe said:
For Final Fantasy VII alone:
Even just to give it PS2 level graphics as you suggested would mean completely re-building the game from the ground up; re-doing all the characters and their animations; all the locations; all the FMV's from scratch.
Re-recording the soundtrack would mean getting a whole orchestra to do a new recording, lot of time and money there (alternatively they could skim some costs here by just using the Advent Children OST)
A new translation would mean going back through all of the games dialog to do an edit then proof-reading said edit then putting that into the new build; not to mention you'd need to do this with the translation for every region you planned to release it in.
After all of that, the number of die-hard fans who really give a shit about a FFVII remake and would pay between £20-£40 would be significantly lower than the number of people who bought the original game by now, meaning it would be highly unlikely that Square-Enix would ever see returns high enough to justify doing anything other than the direct PSX port that I think they already have on PSN(?)
I understand the logic of that argument, though I am forced to retort with the classic "So they're placating the people who need the company to make money to be happy instead of the people that make them money."HammerIntoAnvil said:
On the OST front, again, I'd be perfectly content to hear it on just higher quality synths and/or soundfonts. I said as much in the post you quoted.rob_simple said:
You're also underestimating how many people would buy FFVII:HD, especially considering how many people have already bought the original on PSN, plus the fact that almost without question more marketing would go into it than any Square release of recent memory. (Shit, it'd probably have the biggest hype campaign since the original came out 15 years ago.)
*sigh* Again with the FF7 Remake nonsense? It makes you look silly.
Anyway, the tech demo was gorgeous and I don't care what they do with it. If Square Enix stopped developing games (other than the other, western studios they own) and just wants to make tech demos for the sake of tech demos, I'd be more than happy with that if these are the results.
Anyway, the tech demo was gorgeous and I don't care what they do with it. If Square Enix stopped developing games (other than the other, western studios they own) and just wants to make tech demos for the sake of tech demos, I'd be more than happy with that if these are the results.
It was brought up as part of a broader discussion on how, yes, including that, the company is doing absolutely nothing that anyone wants them to do. I'd prefer no to talk about it either since it is eventually going to happen for some system or the other. Square loves remaking their shit.burningdragoon said:
Even though I'm also waiting for a KH3 release, I still appreciate that Square is working hard at trying to make new products instead of complaining about something that they might not want to make.
Think about it - based on how much these self-entitled fans are raving, the company is put under tremendous pressure to deliver more than what the fans are asking for, but it is almost a 3:1 chance that it will be below their expectations and they'll just complain even more - like the whole Mass Effect 3 affair. KH is a vision of the creators and it should go by their standards and if you don't like it, find something else to rage over and quit acting childish when something isn't put into your hands before you ask for it.
Think about it - based on how much these self-entitled fans are raving, the company is put under tremendous pressure to deliver more than what the fans are asking for, but it is almost a 3:1 chance that it will be below their expectations and they'll just complain even more - like the whole Mass Effect 3 affair. KH is a vision of the creators and it should go by their standards and if you don't like it, find something else to rage over and quit acting childish when something isn't put into your hands before you ask for it.
Considering the fact that "a lot of gamers" is not equal to this person in particular, I'd say you aren't thinking about it right. It's NEVER a unanimous thing. There is always one side wanting one thing, another side wanting another thing, and so on and so forth. The people complaining about Square rehashing an old IP are completely different people from the ones who complain about the new IP.amaranth_dru said:
It's incredibly frustrating to see a game you want to play be put aside for other games that will inevitably end in failure.
I agree with your premise. ie, people just need to cool their horses.BNguyen said:
However, I feel this analogy is way off. It's nothing like a gift. Squeenie isn't making games out of the immense, overflowing generosity of their ever beating hearts. It's not like some thoughtful gift, given to you for free.
They're making a product to sell, to make a bunch of money.
If someone says "I'll give you this 'gift', you just have to pay me $60" it's not a gift - it's a purchase.
I agree that it is somwhat strange, but I also think that they were being overly optimistic when they announced their 'Fabula Nova' series in the first place. XIII had such a problematic development and mixed reception, it's no wonder that they took the time to rethink things.Austin Howe said:
And, looking on the positive side; Square has really tried hard to fix FFXIV after it's disastrous launch (the game has significantly improved), the development times for their more recent games (KH3D, XIII-2, etc.) have been normal, and a lot of the games people complain about not being out yet (FF7 remake, KH3) don't even exist yet. I'm sure we'll see games like Versus when they are ready, if they still exist, and I'm hoping that this apparently cheaper, gorgeous graphics engine means that they're getting their shit together. I remember hearing that Versus was being reworked with this engine?
Also, I'm not sure I agree with that last bit. There's been a lot of KH3D gameplay going around for the past few months.
And yet you've made two Squeenix-complaining threads in two days, and have brought it up in both of them.Austin Howe said:
*checks profile* You were 3 years old when FF7 first came out? Why do you even care so much about it.
Guns and magic don't mix!
Having some attitude driven spiky haired 17 year old kid with a sword running up to a PILE of guys with automatic weapons shooting at him which he can deflect in his own time like they're paper walls meant to be cut down only to be outdone by some scared woman in the back who needed saving casting some outrageous low level spell that happens to be more destructive in cinematic then Ultima proves to be in battle.
Oh, and they're both wearing the most retarded cosplay costume ever invented.
I'll put up with the Gunblade from FF8, but things didn't go down hill, they fell off a cliff after FF10.
Having some attitude driven spiky haired 17 year old kid with a sword running up to a PILE of guys with automatic weapons shooting at him which he can deflect in his own time like they're paper walls meant to be cut down only to be outdone by some scared woman in the back who needed saving casting some outrageous low level spell that happens to be more destructive in cinematic then Ultima proves to be in battle.
Oh, and they're both wearing the most retarded cosplay costume ever invented.
I'll put up with the Gunblade from FF8, but things didn't go down hill, they fell off a cliff after FF10.
Odbarc said:
Pretty much this. The series got it's start with medieval fantasy. There was a degree of techology in some aspects (Airships, for example, but the old airships looked like propeller boats and were fantasy in their own way.) Then the series goes mote technological, what with guns and....
I'll be honest. FFIV did deal with some technology: Lunarian technology. Your party was just a team of people from a planet which learned how to harness magic and make airships from the Lunarians. The thing is, the technology you dealt with was essentially alien to your characters. Then in VI, magitech? Okay, so now we're draining magic straight out of sommons and using them to power weapons. More sci-fi than I'm comfortable with for a series called "fantasy," but whatever. But then, we jump to VII and VIII with things like giant cannons, long range missiles, high tech computers, guns as weapons, etc?
Science Fiction may be technically considered a subgenre of fantasy, but that's like trying to argue that Dragonlance is Star Trek. Anyone who makes this argument is nothing more than a troll. And it IS pretty damn frustrating to see that a series that got it's start with medieval fantasy and even has fantasy in it's name is more sci fi than anything else.
Oh. And gun damage being affected by the strength stat in VII/VIII = WHAT THE UNHOLY HELL!?
Because great games are ageless? I first played the game in 2002, your point means nothing. Up until recently I spent most of my gaming time on ZSNES, your ageist argument is beyond irrelevant.burningdragoon said:
Again, the FFVII remake is not even in my top priorities. I'm trying to not prioritize my own interests, namely because they are unrealistic (for example, I'd love it if they also remade FFVIII and FFIX, but in terms of overall fan interest, that's the definition of who gives a shit) and don't involved Kingdom Hearts 3.