What is a singularity?

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Saucycarpdog

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I've heard somethings about a singularity but I don't understand what it is. I've been told that it's when humans surpass limits or something like that. But what does that mean?

Can anyone help here?
 

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Saucycarpdog said:
I've heard somethings about a singularity but I don't understand what it is. I've been told that it's when humans surpass limits or something like that. But what does that mean?

Can anyone help here?
Does Google not work for you? Seriously, all you need do is type "the singularity" into Google, and you can find what you're looking for. Or try Wikipedia.

Information can be had rather easily on the Internet, if one is willing to expend the effort of hitting a few keys. That's why we like it.

EDIT: Maybe that was a little on the harsh side, but then again maybe not. Here's why: By coming on here and asking that question without going anywhere else first, you are in effect saying "I'm curious about this thing but don't want to spend any actual effort looking into it myself, and by any effort I mean any trivial effort at all. I'd rather you guys took the time to explain it to me so I don't have to bother."

And that's really not a very good way to make friends.

I will happily talk at people for hours about this and other science and technology subjects, because I enjoy it. But even so, I have absolutely no interest in spending time answering your question when you could have found out what the singularity is in less time than it took you to start a forum topic on the Escapist.
 

Saucycarpdog

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McMullen said:
Saucycarpdog said:
I've heard somethings about a singularity but I don't understand what it is. I've been told that it's when humans surpass limits or something like that. But what does that mean?

Can anyone help here?
Does Google not work for you? Seriously, all you need do is type "the singularity" into Google, and you can find what you're looking for. Or try Wikipedia.

Information can be had rather easily on the Internet, if one is willing to expend the effort of hitting a few keys. That's why we like it.
And I still don't understand it.

Saying 'just google it' might be easy for you, but do you even know what it is yourself? I am trying to understand it here.
 

McMullen

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Saucycarpdog said:
McMullen said:
Saucycarpdog said:
I've heard somethings about a singularity but I don't understand what it is. I've been told that it's when humans surpass limits or something like that. But what does that mean?

Can anyone help here?
Does Google not work for you? Seriously, all you need do is type "the singularity" into Google, and you can find what you're looking for. Or try Wikipedia.

Information can be had rather easily on the Internet, if one is willing to expend the effort of hitting a few keys. That's why we like it.
And I still don't understand it.

Saying 'just google it' might be easy for you, but do you even know what it is yourself? I am trying to understand it here.
It's a point at which we either find a way to augment our intelligence or create intelligences that can improve their own. This has all sorts of interesting effects that I leave to you to explore.
 

Saucycarpdog

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McMullen said:
Saucycarpdog said:
I've heard somethings about a singularity but I don't understand what it is. I've been told that it's when humans surpass limits or something like that. But what does that mean?

Can anyone help here?
Does Google not work for you? Seriously, all you need do is type "the singularity" into Google, and you can find what you're looking for. Or try Wikipedia.

Information can be had rather easily on the Internet, if one is willing to expend the effort of hitting a few keys. That's why we like it.

EDIT: Maybe that was a little on the harsh side, but then again maybe not. Here's why: By coming on here and asking that question without going anywhere else first, you are in effect saying "I'm curious about this thing but don't want to spend any actual effort looking into it myself, and by any effort I mean any trivial effort at all. I'd rather you guys took the time to explain it to me so I don't have to bother."

And that's really not a very good way to make friends.
Being snarky and rude is also not a good way to make friends.
 

McMullen

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Being snarky and rude is also not a good way to make friends.[/quote]

You're not really in a position to talk about being rude.

Well, this nagging voice in the back of my head won't quiet down about needing to be a better educator than that, and how I spent more time complaining up there than it would have taken to give a better explanation. So here goes:

The primary reason the singularity is interesting is because an intelligence that creates improved intelligences will result in a population that increases in intellectual capacity at an exponential rate, and will be able to comprehend things that we have no hope of comprehending. I imagine that's part of why the name "singularity" was chosen, because physical singularities and the conditions at or past them are beyond our comprehension. There are those (myself included) who hope this happens within our lifetime and takes the form of augmented human intelligence, because it will lead to... well, we're not sure, but we have no reason to expect it will be bad, and many reasons to expect that it will be a future that past generations could literally have never imagined.

Some worry about humans as they currently are becoming obsolete, and possibly replaced, especially if the created intelligence are AIs separate from humans. I'm optimistic that that won't happen because I don't think the kind of people researching AI would actually do something that stupid.

Next time, please show some indication you made an effort to understand it yourself, instead of just asking someone to explain it in a forum. The response will be a lot less snarky and a lot more helpful, I can guarantee you.
 

Saucycarpdog

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McMullen said:
Being snarky and rude is also not a good way to make friends.
You're not really in a position to talk about being rude.

Well, this nagging voice in the back of my head won't quiet down about needing to be a better educator than that, and how I spent more time complaining up there than it would have taken to give a better explanation. So here goes:

The primary reason the singularity is interesting is because an intelligence that creates improved intelligences will result in a population that increases in intellectual capacity at an exponential rate, and will be able to comprehend things that we have no hope of comprehending. I imagine that's part of why the name "singularity" was chosen, because physical singularities and the conditions at or past them are beyond our comprehension. There are those (myself included) who hope this happens within our lifetime and takes the form of augmented human intelligence, because it will lead to... well, we're not sure, but we have no reason to expect it will be bad, and many reasons to expect that it will be a future that past generations could literally have never imagined.

Some worry about humans as they currently are becoming obsolete, and possibly replaced, especially if the created intelligence are AIs separate from humans. I'm optimistic that that won't happen because I don't think the kind of people researching AI would actually do something that stupid.

Next time, please show some indication you made an effort to understand it yourself, instead of just asking someone to explain it in a forum. The response will be a lot less snarky and a lot more helpful, I can guarantee you.[/quote]

You tell me I'm not in a position to talk and then respond with a snarky and rude attitude?

But, before this goes into a full fledge forum fight, I will say thank you for helping me. I did not understand what machines had to do with the singularity and what will result when it happens. Now I do.
 

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Saucycarpdog said:
I've heard somethings about a singularity but I don't understand what it is. I've been told that it's when humans surpass limits or something like that. But what does that mean?
It means just that. Super-intelligence through technology whether it be through AIs, biological enhancements, or brain-computer interfaces. Is that better to understand?
 

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Saucycarpdog said:
But, before this goes into a full fledge forum fight, I will say thank you for helping me. I did not understand what machines had to do with the singularity and what will result when it happens. Now I do.
You're welcome. I'm not interested in a fight either. I think we've had a few failures to communicate.

Saucycarpdog said:
You tell me I'm not in a position to talk and then respond with a snarky and rude attitude?
No, not in that order anyway. I said you weren't in a position to talk, and then I answered your question. Then, because I wasn't sure you understood what your initial post might look like, and the reaction it might provoke in future threads, I explained that you can get better results by saying what parts of it you don't get and asking for help. Every part of it was aimed at being helpful. Your initial post was mildly offensive due to the implications it makes, and although I should have just moved on, I was feeling spiteful at the moment and voiced my irritation.

Turns out, that wasn't your intent and you had actually done some research. Had you indicated such, my reaction would have been completely different and we'd probably be several posts deep now in a conversation on the finer points of the singularity.

But this can be a serious problem, the things that are implied when you don't use care in the wording of your online communications, and it can get you in serious trouble in the workplace. Sometimes your boss or your client will jump to conclusions much like I did, and that will be an unpleasant day.
 

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Technological singularity refers to the hypothetical future emergence of greater-than-human intelligence through technological means, very probably resulting in explosive superintelligence. Since the capabilities of such intelligence would be difficult for an unaided human mind to comprehend, the occurrence of a technological singularity is seen as an intellectual event horizon, beyond which events can not be predicted or understood. Proponents of the singularity typically state an "intelligence explosion" is a key factor of the Singularity where superintelligences design successive generations of increasingly powerful minds.

The term was coined by science fiction writer Vernor Vinge, who argues that artificial intelligence, human biological enhancement or brain-computer interfaces could be possible causes of the singularity. The concept is popularized by futurists like Ray Kurzweil and it is expected by proponents to occur sometime in the 21st century, although estimates do vary.

Many of the most recognized writers on the singularity, such as Vernor Vinge and Ray Kurzweil, define the concept in terms of the technological creation of superintelligence, and argue that it is difficult or impossible for present-day humans to predict what a post-singularity world would be like, due to the difficulty of imagining the intentions and capabilities of superintelligent entities. The term "technological singularity" was originally coined by Vinge, who made an analogy between the breakdown in our ability to predict what would happen after the development of superintelligence and the breakdown of the predictive ability of modern physics at the space-time singularity beyond the event horizon of a black hole. Some writers use "the singularity" in a broader way to refer to any radical changes in our society brought about by new technologies such as molecular nanotechnology, although Vinge and other prominent writers specifically state that without superintelligence, such changes would not qualify as a true singularity. Many writers also tie the singularity to observations of exponential growth in various technologies (with Moore's Law being the most prominent example), using such observations as a basis for predicting that the singularity is likely to happen sometime within the 21st century.

A technological singularity includes the concept of an intelligence explosion, a term coined in 1965 by I. J. Good. Although technological progress has been accelerating, it has been limited by the basic intelligence of the human brain, which has not, according to Paul R. Ehrlich, changed significantly for millennia. However with the increasing power of computers and other technologies, it might eventually be possible to build a machine that is more intelligent than humanity. If superhuman intelligences were invented, either through the amplification of human intelligence or artificial intelligence, it would bring to bear greater problem-solving and inventive skills than humans, then it could design a yet more capable machine, or re-write its source code to become more intelligent. This more capable machine could then go on to design a machine of even greater capability. These iterations could accelerate, leading to recursive self improvement, potentially allowing enormous qualitative change before any upper limits imposed by the laws of physics or theoretical computation set in.

The exponential growth in computing technology suggested by Moore's Law is commonly cited as a reason to expect a singularity in the relatively near future, and a number of authors have proposed generalizations of Moore's Law. Computer scientist and futurist Hans Moravec proposed in a 1998 book that the exponential growth curve could be extended back through earlier computing technologies prior to the integrated circuit. Futurist Ray Kurzweil postulates a law of accelerating returns in which the speed of technological change (and more generally, all evolutionary processes) increases exponentially, generalizing Moore's Law in the same manner as Moravec's proposal, and also including material technology (especially as applied to nanotechnology), medical technology and others. Like other authors, though, he reserves the term "Singularity" for a rapid increase in intelligence (as opposed to other technologies), writing for example that "The Singularity will allow us to transcend these limitations of our biological bodies and brains ... There will be no distinction, post-Singularity, between human and machine". He also defines his predicted date of the singularity (2045) in terms of when he expects computer-based intelligences to significantly exceed the sum total of human brainpower, writing that advances in computing before that date "will not represent the Singularity" because they do "not yet correspond to a profound expansion of our intelligence."

The term "technological singularity" reflects the idea that such change may happen suddenly, and that it is difficult to predict how such a new world would operate. It is unclear whether an intelligence explosion of this kind would be beneficial or harmful, or even an existential threat, as the issue has not been dealt with by most artificial general intelligence researchers, although the topic of friendly artificial intelligence is investigated by the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence and the Future of Humanity Institute.

Many prominent technologists and academics dispute the plausibility of a technological singularity, including Jeff Hawkins, John Holland, Jaron Lanier, and Gordon Moore, whose Moore's Law is often cited in support of the concept.

More can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_singularity
 

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Saucycarpdog said:
I've heard somethings about a singularity but I don't understand what it is. I've been told that it's when humans surpass limits or something like that. But what does that mean?

Can anyone help here?
Here it comes in simple, layman terms.

It's a mathematical point that exists in reality.

What does that mean? Ok so a mathematical point is a location, only its a tiny location, a location so small it technically doesn't exist (or if it does it would be the size of the smallest thing, like a quark or summat).

By existing in reality it means it has a property, in space this property is usually gravity.

An example is a black hole, where the gravity is so strong it constricts the actual black hole into an infinitesimally small point, ie a mathematical point.

I'm not sure if real singularities actually exist, it could just be a placeholder as the science and technology to understand them doesn't exist.
 

HollaAtchABoi

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Let HollaAtchABoi enlighten you:

Singularity is infinitely small

And I dont intend any meanness

But in terms you can understand

Its about the size of your penis

-Holla