What is going on in Libya?!?!

[Quiet Stranger]

Okay so I have only just started on reading about it but can someone explain to me how all this started? Why do they want their leader out of office? This is just like Egypt! (starting to look like it anyways) Why is it they want him out now and not in the years he was first in?

 

[Sindre1]

One of the only outputs from the country: http://roosterteeth.com/members/journal/?uid=81745

 

[Detective Prince]

The reason the Libyans want Gaddafi out is because he has essentially been a dictator for the last couple of decades he's been in power. With people like Gaddafi and Mubarak usually the rest of the country can't do much as the army is on their side. But slowly they get more and more supporters and then you have an uprising.

Basically now they have had enough and have enough supporters to say "We want a proper democracy once more," some of them feel like the only reason he's in power is because essentially he owns the army. It's a tough situation and a lot more complicated but that's a short version. They feel as though their leader isn't listening to their needs anymore and change is needed.

 

[DownloaderOfTheMonth]

Tunisia started a revolution when a grocer set fire to himself in the middle of a large public space due to his depression and suicidal hatred of the Tunisian regieme. The Tunisian leaders were overthrown

This inspired a revolution in Egypt, where the president was forced, peaceably, out of power

This inspired a revolution in Bahrain that dosen't seem to be going very well

All of these inspired a revolution in Libya, which is controlled by Gadaffi (spelling?)


Now, Gadaffi is insane. So as soon as he hears there's a big protest like Egypt's happening in Tripoli (the capital) he orders the police and army to attack it and ORDERS AN AIRFORCE JET TO BOMB THE PROTESTERS! The army and police refuse and many become rebels whilst some remain loyal to Gadaffi. The navigator and pilot of that jet bail out in protest instead of bombing the protesters. Nearly half of the entire of Libya is now in a state of freedom, as Gadaffi has no power in those areas (including the second largest city in Lybia)

Basically, Egypt is happening again but the leader this time is a batshit insane moron who would rather die in a bloody civil war than relinquish his position of power.

 

[Quiet Stranger]

Tunisia started a revolution when a grocer set fire to himself in the middle of a large public space due to his depression and suicidal hatred of the Tunisian regieme. The Tunisian leaders were overthrown

This inspired a revolution in Egypt, where the president was forced, peaceably, out of power

This inspired a revolution in Bahrain that dosen't seem to be going very well

All of these inspired a revolution in Libya, which is controlled by Gadaffi (spelling?)


Now, Gadaffi is insane. So as soon as he hears there's a big protest like Egypt's happening in Tripoli (the capital) he orders the police and army to attack it and ORDERS AN AIRFORCE JET TO BOMB THE PROTESTERS! The army and police refuse and many become rebels whilst some remain loyal to Gadaffi. The navigator and pilot of that jet bail out in protest instead of bombing the protesters. Nearly half of the entire of Libya is now in a state of freedom, as Gadaffi has no power in those areas (including the second largest city in Lybia)

Basically, Egypt is happening again but the leader this time is a batshit insane moron who would rather die in a bloody civil war than relinquish his position of power.

Oh for fuck sakes.....well I hope everything works out okay, I hear gas is sky rocketing because of it, and yeah, the guy sounds like a complete ass fuck, I fully support the people of Libya

 

[DownloaderOfTheMonth]

Tunisia started a revolution when a grocer set fire to himself in the middle of a large public space due to his depression and suicidal hatred of the Tunisian regieme. The Tunisian leaders were overthrown

This inspired a revolution in Egypt, where the president was forced, peaceably, out of power

This inspired a revolution in Bahrain that dosen't seem to be going very well

All of these inspired a revolution in Libya, which is controlled by Gadaffi (spelling?)


Now, Gadaffi is insane. So as soon as he hears there's a big protest like Egypt's happening in Tripoli (the capital) he orders the police and army to attack it and ORDERS AN AIRFORCE JET TO BOMB THE PROTESTERS! The army and police refuse and many become rebels whilst some remain loyal to Gadaffi. The navigator and pilot of that jet bail out in protest instead of bombing the protesters. Nearly half of the entire of Libya is now in a state of freedom, as Gadaffi has no power in those areas (including the second largest city in Lybia)

Basically, Egypt is happening again but the leader this time is a batshit insane moron who would rather die in a bloody civil war than relinquish his position of power.

Oh for fuck sakes.....well I hope everything works out okay, I hear gas is sky rocketing because of it, and yeah, the guy sounds like a complete ass fuck, I fully support the people of Libya

He had this massive, rambling speech where he declared he would die a martyr rather than give up. My Egyptian friend (who has since returned to his now not-revolutionary country) gave me a few translations of his insanity. Here's the best one

He basically said why democracy was bad - Democracy, he says, has 'cracy' in it, which is from the Arabic "Krassy" (or however you spell it) which is Arabic for Chair. Thus, Democracy is for lazy people who SIT around ON CHAIRS doing nothing. Meanwhile, I, the glorious leader of the people of Libya, continue to strive for you!

 

[Quiet Stranger]

Tunisia started a revolution when a grocer set fire to himself in the middle of a large public space due to his depression and suicidal hatred of the Tunisian regieme. The Tunisian leaders were overthrown

This inspired a revolution in Egypt, where the president was forced, peaceably, out of power

This inspired a revolution in Bahrain that dosen't seem to be going very well

All of these inspired a revolution in Libya, which is controlled by Gadaffi (spelling?)


Now, Gadaffi is insane. So as soon as he hears there's a big protest like Egypt's happening in Tripoli (the capital) he orders the police and army to attack it and ORDERS AN AIRFORCE JET TO BOMB THE PROTESTERS! The army and police refuse and many become rebels whilst some remain loyal to Gadaffi. The navigator and pilot of that jet bail out in protest instead of bombing the protesters. Nearly half of the entire of Libya is now in a state of freedom, as Gadaffi has no power in those areas (including the second largest city in Lybia)

Basically, Egypt is happening again but the leader this time is a batshit insane moron who would rather die in a bloody civil war than relinquish his position of power.

Oh for fuck sakes.....well I hope everything works out okay, I hear gas is sky rocketing because of it, and yeah, the guy sounds like a complete ass fuck, I fully support the people of Libya

He had this massive, rambling speech where he declared he would die a martyr rather than give up. My Egyptian friend (who has since returned to his now not-revolutionary country) gave me a few translations of his insanity. Here's the best one

He basically said why democracy was bad - Democracy, he says, has 'cracy' in it, which is from the Arabic "Krassy" (or however you spell it) which is Arabic for Chair. Thus, Democracy is for lazy people who SIT around ON CHAIRS doing nothing. Meanwhile, I, the glorious leader of the people of Libya, continue to strive for you!

If that's true then someone kill this man now, I'm sure the US has plenty of black ops hitmen just lying around.

 

[Marowit]

Just look up anything about their leader, Col. Mummar Qaddafi, and you'll understand. They also were hovering around 30% unemployment for a long while.

On a side note, for the height of hilarity look up some of his UN speeches - they're pretty incoherent and rambling.

 

[Irridium]

Yeah, shit's whack down there. Basically one nation(Tunis) overthrew their leaders, which inspired another nation(Egypt), which inspired a revolution in another(Bahrain I think it is, not too sure), and all these contribute to the inspiration for the current Lybian revolution.

Thats what I managed to gleam though. Basically, shit be whack in that part of the world yo.

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the story about ordering the jets to bomb the protesters has been confirmed by a less west-oriented news organization like Aljazeera (sic)? i've only seen it from western news outlets, so it seems suspiciously propaganda-ish to me. not that i'd be terribly surprised if it were true...

 

[Hader]

And here I thought it was just a wild college party.

 

[Anarchemitis]

Libyan fighter aircraft landed in Malta, armed with live ammunition and primed explosives. The pilots stated that they were defecting because they did not want to bomb internal civilian targets, such as crowds of protesters.
http://tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=1&i=5459

 

[Hader]

just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the story about ordering the jets to bomb the protesters has been confirmed by a less west-oriented news organization like Aljazeera (sic)? i've only seen it from western news outlets, so it seems suspiciously propaganda-ish to me. not that i'd be terribly surprised if it were true...

I have not seen anything from other news sources like that but when some of the pilots who were ordered to do that refused to do so and defected, I think that's as good of proof as any.

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the story about ordering the jets to bomb the protesters has been confirmed by a less west-oriented news organization like Aljazeera (sic)? i've only seen it from western news outlets, so it seems suspiciously propaganda-ish to me. not that i'd be terribly surprised if it were true...

I have not seen anything from other news sources like that but when some of the pilots who were ordered to do that refused to do so and defected, I think that's as good of proof as any.

well, yes, except that the only proof we have that they defected is what western news organizations have told us. that be what propaganda be, man. not saying it's definitely not true, just that when i see something that paints an enemy in that extreme a negative light, it sets of my BS alert. but if Aljazeera also reported it, that would totally confirm it for me.

again, i know Ghadafi is not a good guy, but if CNN reported that he eats babies, i'd start to wonder what's true and what's not.

 

[total crazy talk]

The 2 pilots defecting is true, i live in malta and they landed here a couple of days ago and are now trying too seek assylum here.
Not sure whats gunna happen cuz according to my maltese friends (im an english Ex-pat) the malta govornment has done shady deals with gaddafi in the past and are usualy on his side (off the record).

 

[fix-the-spade]

What's going on in Libya is mental, but arguably long overdue.

On Bahrain, that's more complicated. Bahrain is (technically) a democracy, but like a lot of oil states the rich have got very rich and the poor haven't seen much benefit, the country's two houses of government are pretty much 100% made up of the rich elite.

Add in that the rich are on the liberal end ('westernised', women have the vote, are not required to wear a veil etc) of Islam whilst the poorer regions are mostly more conservative (in a few cases flat out extreme) and it's all gets a bit tangled.

but if Aljazeera also reported it, that would totally confirm it for me.

I get Al-Jazheera at home, I'll have a watch tonight and see if they're saying it to.

 

[Jamash]

Tunisia started a revolution when a grocer set fire to himself in the middle of a large public space due to his depression and suicidal hatred of the Tunisian regieme. The Tunisian leaders were overthrown

This inspired a revolution in Egypt, where the president was forced, peaceably, out of power

This inspired a revolution in Bahrain that dosen't seem to be going very well

All of these inspired a revolution in Libya, which is controlled by Gadaffi (spelling?)


Now, Gadaffi is insane. So as soon as he hears there's a big protest like Egypt's happening in Tripoli (the capital) he orders the police and army to attack it and ORDERS AN AIRFORCE JET TO BOMB THE PROTESTERS! The army and police refuse and many become rebels whilst some remain loyal to Gadaffi. The navigator and pilot of that jet bail out in protest instead of bombing the protesters. Nearly half of the entire of Libya is now in a state of freedom, as Gadaffi has no power in those areas (including the second largest city in Lybia)

Basically, Egypt is happening again but the leader this time is a batshit insane moron who would rather die in a bloody civil war than relinquish his position of power.

Oh for fuck sakes.....well I hope everything works out okay, I hear gas is sky rocketing because of it, and yeah, the guy sounds like a complete ass fuck, I fully support the people of Libya

He had this massive, rambling speech where he declared he would die a martyr rather than give up. My Egyptian friend (who has since returned to his now not-revolutionary country) gave me a few translations of his insanity. Here's the best one

He basically said why democracy was bad - Democracy, he says, has 'cracy' in it, which is from the Arabic "Krassy" (or however you spell it) which is Arabic for Chair. Thus, Democracy is for lazy people who SIT around ON CHAIRS doing nothing. Meanwhile, I, the glorious leader of the people of Libya, continue to strive for you!

If that's true then someone kill this man now, I'm sure the US has plenty of black ops hitmen just lying around.

The US tried that once already, but only succeeded in bombing his 15 month old daughter, which seemed to piss him off somewhat.

If the US doesn't want any more Libyan terrorist incidents like Pan Am Flight 73 and Pan Am Flight 103, they better make sure that they don't kill any more of his children trying to get to him, or if they do, they better make sure he's in no position to retaliate.

Besides, it doesn't matter how well trained any Black-Ops hitman is, I doubt than any potential assassin would be able to get close enough to Gadaffi to kill him, he's probably more well protected than the US President.

 

[Scorched_Cascade]

i've only seen it from western news outlets, so it seems suspiciously propaganda-ish to me. not that i'd be terribly surprised if it were true...

Western media was actually being suspiciously kind to Gadaffi before this incident. He was off the most-wanted list and everything.

There is also a brief clip of protesters getting buzzed by a helicopter gunship that opens fire on them.

From what I understand the tinder issue was a protester getting killed a few months ago and then people turning up at the funeral getting shot/arrested. While the spark was caused by unrest elsewhere in the Arab world; particularly in Egypt which is commonly seen as the Lynchpin of the Arab world. The fact that a relatively peaceful protest forced their leader who had ruled for a few decades out was highly significant. I say relative because people were getting shot in the background live on television at one point.

 

[Hader]

well, yes, except that the only proof we have that they defected is what western news organizations have told us. that be what propaganda be, man. not saying it's definitely not true, just that when i see something that paints an enemy in that extreme a negative light, it sets of my BS alert. but if Aljazeera also reported it, that would totally confirm it for me.

again, i know Ghadafi is not a good guy, but if CNN reported that he eats babies, i'd start to wonder what's true and what's not.

So what if a western news group reported that? Do you think any other news organization would have? It's just a simple fact really; two pilots defected and bugged out to Malta. And the pilots explained why. The news just stated "Hey, these pilots just said this". That's not really putting a western spin on it.

 

[Duskwaith]

Well Gaddifi has hired mercenarys to do the dirty work of the majority of the protestors. Surprisingly the protesters have made some head way and are forming militia.