what is happing with britain
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*spits tea on monitor* Good sir I am offended at your gross generalisation and would love to know what great public you're a part of! : p Trick question http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBWLH96MlPI Only Britain is great.SammiYin said:
This guy seems to have a lot of information, not just about what's happening, but he at least thinks he knows why.:yuval152 said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.305873-Justified-Rioters?page=6#12298114
I personally have no idea, except that some people are rioting.
It's still not hard to find the home website of a country. Anyway this isn't constructive so peace, love and all that jazz. \(^^)yuval152 said:
Some people that need more lead in their system imo. I believe that once a protesters start rioting and looting shops then you announce that the next looters seen will be shot on sight. That should sober up the situation nice and quick.
Ok, quick unbiased explanation:
This bloke called Mark Duggan, known to have connections to gang activity, was killed by police. The official story is that he fired upon officers and was killed in the ensuing firefight. However, there was enough doubt about said story, not to mention a witness account that Duggan was pinned to the ground at the time, that a peaceful protest was organised in Tottenham, London by friends, relatives and others to demand answers. At some point, a group of younger armed protesters turned up, the police refused to strike up a diologue with protesters, and tensions slowly began to rise. The inevitable spark came when a girl was allegedly beaten by riot police that had been sent to the protest just in case. Whether or not the event happened is irrelevent at this point, but the rumour was enough to set off the more violent in the crowd. The original protesters, including the mans family, left at this point to disassociate themselves with the violence, but the rest of the protesters, including a sizeable crowd of oppurtunistic looters and vandals, started wreaking havoc. So far, the momentum of the original riots is spreading to urban areas around the country, whether due to an undercurrent of politically motivated bitterness or just an impulse to run rampant. I make no judgements myself, I just hope to explain as best I can for the non-brits/ brits who haven't kept up with the situation.
This bloke called Mark Duggan, known to have connections to gang activity, was killed by police. The official story is that he fired upon officers and was killed in the ensuing firefight. However, there was enough doubt about said story, not to mention a witness account that Duggan was pinned to the ground at the time, that a peaceful protest was organised in Tottenham, London by friends, relatives and others to demand answers. At some point, a group of younger armed protesters turned up, the police refused to strike up a diologue with protesters, and tensions slowly began to rise. The inevitable spark came when a girl was allegedly beaten by riot police that had been sent to the protest just in case. Whether or not the event happened is irrelevent at this point, but the rumour was enough to set off the more violent in the crowd. The original protesters, including the mans family, left at this point to disassociate themselves with the violence, but the rest of the protesters, including a sizeable crowd of oppurtunistic looters and vandals, started wreaking havoc. So far, the momentum of the original riots is spreading to urban areas around the country, whether due to an undercurrent of politically motivated bitterness or just an impulse to run rampant. I make no judgements myself, I just hope to explain as best I can for the non-brits/ brits who haven't kept up with the situation.
Basically, a bunch of people have realised they can do whatever they want without consequences so long as they all do it at the same time. This has caused mass stealing, arson and riots across the country, and the police are afraid to do anything about it because whenever they do they get hit with lawsuits and other crap.
I still don't think our standard police should have guns, but they should certainly be able to harm criminals without repercussion if it is necessary to protect people or their property. At the moment, they don't seem able to do that, and it's not through any fault of their own.
That's how I see it anyway.
I still don't think our standard police should have guns, but they should certainly be able to harm criminals without repercussion if it is necessary to protect people or their property. At the moment, they don't seem able to do that, and it's not through any fault of their own.
That's how I see it anyway.
What's happing? Oh nothing.
What's happening? Well in ENGLAND. No not Britain, England. It's a country look it up. There are riots going on, it's a mixture of things, general fury at the government (very valid fury, it must be said) anger at being ignored, mob mentality and so on all catalysed by one stupid incident where a police unit may or may not have killed a defenceless gang leader (presumably not, inquest ongoing).
anyway, once the shit hit the fan it hasn't stopped, the police are understaffed, undertrained, poorly led and underequipped leading them to call in reinforcements which meant less cops elsewhere so the riots spread. Meanwhile government and the media blame gangs of youths for the looting (when most are in their 20's-40's) which pisses them off and encourages them to join in.
Oh and for several years now there's been an undercurrent of racism in our police where black and asian kids have been stopped and searched under the bullshit terrorism act, all too often.
Basically lots of small fuckups, a few major ones and a spark to light the fire. Cue chaos.
What's happening? Well in ENGLAND. No not Britain, England. It's a country look it up. There are riots going on, it's a mixture of things, general fury at the government (very valid fury, it must be said) anger at being ignored, mob mentality and so on all catalysed by one stupid incident where a police unit may or may not have killed a defenceless gang leader (presumably not, inquest ongoing).
anyway, once the shit hit the fan it hasn't stopped, the police are understaffed, undertrained, poorly led and underequipped leading them to call in reinforcements which meant less cops elsewhere so the riots spread. Meanwhile government and the media blame gangs of youths for the looting (when most are in their 20's-40's) which pisses them off and encourages them to join in.
Oh and for several years now there's been an undercurrent of racism in our police where black and asian kids have been stopped and searched under the bullshit terrorism act, all too often.
Basically lots of small fuckups, a few major ones and a spark to light the fire. Cue chaos.
Possibly because this isn't a problem to do with a criminal getting shot and more to do with the general feel of social unrest after the massive cuts Conservatives have made to public welfare spending while leaving the rich largely untouched?Colonel Mustard said:
But nah, the hooting blowhards are probably right, everyone in Liverpool just saw the rioting and thought 'that looks like fun! I know I could be legitimately rioting because I'm downtrodden and poor and most of my benefits have eitehr already been taken away or are in danger of being taken away, but it'll be a better idea if some middle-class white boy on the internet can assert that I'm doing it because I just like violence d stealing shit!'
In the last year the Conservatives have made it a very bad idea to be poor or jobless. This is because they have an inbuilt hatred of the poor and jobless (I maintain that it's the Eton education that does it) so things are getting very bad for them.
Alright, all joking and sarcasm aside. People do not riot for no reason. There has been massive social unrest in Britain for some time because of the very unpopular cuts the Conservatives are making to the welfare and benefits system, depriving people who genuinely need the help. When a protest became a riot in London, it provided the excuse many needed to get out and start finally feeling like they might have some control over their lives, if only for one night.
A Tottenham Rioter, when asked if he thought the riots were achieving anything:
'Yes, You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you? Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you.'
The last time there were riots like this was the last time the Conservatives were in power doing exactly the same sort of shit they've started doing again. Oust these Ivory Tower motherfuckers I say.
Well, I've read a few things claiming that they don't think that the police shooting had much to do with it, and that the causes were still being sought.The_root_of_all_evil said:
Otherwise, I'm one of those uninvolved people who has over a period of time come to think that they really do need to start using lethal force in these cases. The reason is simply that it's very difficult to arrest, or even identify everyone involved in things like this, never mind imprison them. Humane treatment of rioters, and the use of non-lethal methods simply results in the people feeling that there is no real risk involved in their actions. The goverment likely can't imprison them, they aren't in any serious risk of death, and anything they happen to grab or destroy is pure "profit" (in terms of goods, or pyrotechnic enjoyment).
I don't say this simply because I'm overseas from where this is happening, I've had similar thoughts watching riots all over the world in recent years, as well as situations like we dealt here in the US after Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans. I think people would be a lot more less eager to loot and blow up cars, if during a state of emergency the police adopted a "shoot on sight" policy. As far as media backlash goes, I think there is enough precedent that can be shown of the humane methods not working to justify it.
To my way of thinking if your going to engage in an armed insurrection against the goverment, do it. Simply faffing about wrecking stores and such really doesn't accomplish anything, or do anything about the goverment or people you might be rioting against. At least drop the pretensions and do it right if your trying to make some kind of mass statement, go after city hall and the politicians or whatever. Burning down the stores of "rich people" just means those people will collect the insurance. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if we have business owners torching their own places during this specifically to committ insurance fraud since it can be blamed on the riots.... this is not to say that I think the UK needs an armed revolution, I'm mostly writing this paragraph in response to all the people claiming that this is being done as some kind of statement against society and the status quo and as a couple of girls in a video put it "to show the rich we can do what we want". This liable isn't going to show any rich person anything but an insurance check.
Buh? What are you, fourtee- Oh. You are. Nevermind then.GamerAddict7796 said:
Then your ignorance really knows no bounds.KoalaKid said:
Because it's always a good time to listen to The Clash ;Drobman1130 said:
On topic:
Just bottom feeders of the british public using a protest as an excuse to cause mayhem. I'm usually not for police brutality, but with 4 days of rioting and with the rioting spreading to my hometown I say go get 'em plods.
*Yawn*eximista said:
I'm impressed by your ability to pick up mathematical errors, you are clearly are far more intelligent person than I am, and so is he, despite the fact that his post is still astoundingly ignorant, and your ability to do math in a hurry has nothing to do with his; and despite the fact that someone who is fifteen is also fourteen.
Yes, a small numerical error makes both him and you more intelligent than me, and therefore that makes him right, because intelligent people are always right, right?
Grow up.
Don't bother replying. It's passed my bed time.