What is it the admins on FPS games, do they despise good players?

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TheSear

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Fraser.J.A post=9.73281.790838 said:
I recently found out some of my friends do use aimbots (and pay for them! What a waste of money!) and find it hilarious to kill everyone while insisting to anyone who complains that they're not cheating.

There are griefers out there, and they need to be booted. Occasionally the admins get it wrong. Even so, if you're that much better than everyone else, maybe you shouldn't keep playing on that server anyway, since you're obviously ruining a lot of people's fun.

By the way, the OP is really annoying. If every word of it is true, it should be fair enough, but it's not. Especially the title of the thread - way more antagonistic than it needs to be. Cool the hubris, ok?
Ok I can do that :p I apologise I was just frustrated. I'm also new here :p so it will take a while for the... loose rules I guess? To settle in :). Originally a long time ago I did take this is a complement, but it's stops being a complement and ends up really frustrating when all you're trying to do is have fun. I'm not saying I'm the only person this has happened too, I bet I am one among hundreds or even thousands (In CSS I mean, this is the first time I have ever seen a ban in TF2 without there actually being a hack invlolved) and I bet with most of the other players this happens too at first, they take it as a complement but that quickly turns into a repetitive annoyance. I am definitely thinking of checking the servers suggested here though assuming I have a decent ping on them :) thanks for the opinions everyone.

mr mcshiznit post=9.73281.790698 said:
Hey i should start a thread and brag about how great i am and how im sooo good i get banned.... yeah i bet everyone wants to talk about that. Dude just play on another server.
Had to reply to this also. It is bragging in a sense but that's not the issue at hand. I am far from the best. I envy Snipers like Jh and BloodShire, and I bet if admins didn't know who they were they would get banned far more than I. It's an issue with anyone who even has a good day on a game like we all do, I believe.
 

Mr.Pandah

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Well going from CSS to TF2, I KNOW that you are considered a God as a sniper in TF2. I never played TF2 in my life and I picked up the Sniper class and I was wrecking the entire team. So yeah, going from CSS to TF2 is like going from Devil May Cry 3 Difficulty Dante Must Die to Super Mario Galaxy. Just move on, thats all.
 

Baby Tea

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Man this happens everywhere. There is a thread on the forums here about 'how to be cool online' . It's more of a mock-thread, but one of the points is: If they are winning, they are cheating. (Summed up, not a quote), and I hear it all the time. Even on consoles! Me and my buddies were playing COD4 on XBL and we got into a room where we just slaughtered the other team. I mean, more then one of them had under 8 kills and over 15 deaths.

What do we hear when we get into the lobby after the match? 'You guys are using mod hacks' or 'You guys are glitching'. Both of which neither of my team would use.

Fraser.J.A post=9.73281.790838 said:
I recently found out some of my friends do use aimbots (and pay for them! What a waste of money!) and find it hilarious to kill everyone while insisting to anyone who complains that they're not cheating.

There are griefers out there, and they need to be booted...
And I absolutely agree. People DO cheat (because they're so insecure), but people are also sore losers too. I don't really have the 'banning' problem you do as I'm on a console, but to avoid stupid people in general, I try to find a group of people to play with that I know are good people. I'm sure you could find a server like that (With good people) who won't ban you at the first sign of skill.
 

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I know that with the clan that I run , the Brazen Guard, my admins go through a lot of trouble to make sure that someone really is cheating before they get banned (that means spectating for long periods of time, recording demos, etc). If it actually looks like someone is aimbotting or wallhacking, we'll ban them off the server after we make sure. Of course, I guess we're one of the "good ones" for actually knowing what the difference between a good player and a cheating bastard is.
 

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I used to be an avid css player, and Ive been kicked from quite a few server's for "cheating".
Ive also had my own server and been the main admin for it. Any one who knows FPS games can drop out into spectator and watch some one play, it's damn obvious when some is aim boting or wallhacking. I was always very careful when it came to some one crying cheat, and I had more then a few people say "oh your a crap admin, you have no idea etc etc". There normally low skilled players who have no idea just how good some people can be, or mid level players jealous of your all natural high.
And any one crying cheat with no real cause would get the ban on my server, and people who were racist, instant baning of people spaming music on TS, ..... sigh I should start paying for my own server again. Any one up for an escapist CSS clan?
 

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TheThanatos post=9.73281.791538 said:
I used to be an avid css player, and Ive been kicked from quite a few server's for "cheating".
Ive also had my own server and been the main admin for it. Any one who knows FPS games can drop out into spectator and watch some one play, it's damn obvious when some is aim boting or wallhacking. I was always very careful when it came to some one crying cheat, and I had more then a few people say "oh your a crap admin, you have no idea etc etc". There normally low skilled players who have no idea just how good some people can be, or mid level players jealous of your all natural high.
And any one crying cheat with no real cause would get the ban on my server, and people who were racist, instant baning of people spaming music on TS, ..... sigh I should start paying for my own server again. Any one up for an escapist CSS clan?
Heh, I think I'd join :D It'd be good fun :)
 

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Two friends of mine, one rl and one online one has had this fate, the rl friend of mine got banned from a DoD:S server for playing the Sniper well as heck (as well as having a spot-on reaction, which was interpreted as wallhacking <.<), as well as topping the server stats in like two weeks.. xD And I -know- this guy, he hates cheaters and hackers as much me XD

My online friend got banned from servers on CoD2 for the same, stupid reasons.

I myself have never been good enough at FPS' to be accused for something, though the occasional kiddo comes by and claims I do whenever it's either obvious I'm just another honest player, or do something that -anyone- with a brain can do.. like this time in Battlefield 1942, when this jackass-fighter comes flying directly towards my tank, shooting with the machine guns at me, and I shoot a shell right in his face (Remember, it's not that hard hitting a plane in BF1942 that comes flying directly at you <.<) and the kid accuses me xD On the other hand, everyone else was on my side of that, so... Poor kid
 

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I'd join a CSS clan I guess. I'd rather make a TF2 one though really.
Either way, I suck at FPS games so these things don't bother me. If your aim is particularly jumpy but you keep hitting then they start to question. It's not a punishment of good players, more keeping the game fair. As I said, I'm not good at these games, but the other day there was this sniper who would shoot me the second I came in vision from any position. If I came from the left, right or came jumping down from the building he would always get me within a second. Even when I was falling. That's not fair, espeically for the shit like myself.
 

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I'm already in a TF2 clan -Dead Face- (Which hopefully you'll see doing well in the leagues soon as we just started, we're only in ED), but for CSS I am free, even though I haven't touched the game in about 9 months I'm sure I could get good again pretty quickly :D
 

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In the professional gaming world cheats are a non-issue. Or very close to being non-issue. Quake III doesn't have easily accessible cheats. You really have to dig deep to find one that works. And when it comes to Q3, the cheats are often times not as good as the actual players (lol).
 

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i used to get banned from BF2 servers all the time. It seems that when you're running across an open road way and ppl are shooting at you, holding a medic kit in your hands so when you get hit you'll be healed almost instantly is called hacking...

yet ppl with aimbots and PKM's could go all match and never get banned..oh wait, the PKM ws that stupidly accurate anyway for no reason.
 

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I'm sorta split on this issue if your an admin and its the choice between one person banned or your game wrecked by constant insults or the entire other team quiting out of rage its the old one v many debate. Again if the admin is playing with friends and you are clearly a/several rungs above them in terms of skill they might want you off their server (as your too good for them) but think asking you directly won't work. Then again as the old saying/quote goes "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" so theres bound to be a few napoleon/God complex kiddies out there.

Oh and if you do know someone is absolutely cheating but the admns won't do anything about it? Don't ***** about it take the mans approach-organize your team into an "everybody takes the cheater strategy" come at them from multiple angles at the same time and ignore every other player on the opposing team. Sure for a few rounds you will get screwed score wise and its technically griefing but your griefing a griefer and they will most often quit after a while.
 

Connor Lonske

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don't play as a sniper or demoman,ever noob trys to get them booted.or tey a sever that says "pros only" that has valve anticheat on.
 

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Having been an admin on a CS 1.6 server, and having occasionally visited other public servers, I can relate to your frustration.

In our clan, one guy spent hours practising to be an awpwhore. He got so good at no-scopes and headshots that even I got frustrated playing against him. Any server we went to, he was immediately accussed of hacking. It was only a matter of time until I was also accussed; though I certainly wasn't an awpwhore (I loathed the thought), I knew how to look and listen and that was often more than many noobs could understand ("How did you hear me coming? Hacker!").

On the other hand, as an admin for a server, we often had people hacking, as well as people whining and complaining that the good players were hacking. It can often be difficult to tell the difference; though some hacks are obvious (e.g. the aimbot that suddenly points towards a wall and scores a headshot on the other side), others are nearly indistinguishable from regular play. I have no doubt that we sometimes banned people who were just unbelievably good. Since we had a reputation for being good players ourselves, we often attracted other good players. This meant both that it was difficult to tell the good from the hackers, but also that we expected this and required substantial proof before banning someone.

To make matters worse, the cheaters are often more vocal than the good guys. We had more than one person using the obvious aimbots that bitched and whined when we banned them. They peppered our forums with insults and demands to be unbanned (why do so many 12 year olds think that name-calling will encourage people to be nice to them?). They accused us of banning good players, etc.

So, while it's entirely possible that the admin who banned you is really inexperienced and can't tell the difference, it's also possible that you are good enough -- and so are the cheaters -- that it's hard to tell the difference.

In either case, while it's frustrating to be continually be banned from servers, appreciate the fact that your skills are unbelievable. Your best bet is to find a good clan to become friends with -- amateur clans will be the first to ban you, but good clans will befriend you quickly when they see your skills and they won't be quick to accuse you of hacking. Once you find the trust of a group, you can rest assured they won't be banning you, even if some loud-mouthed kid accuses you. You can usually tell the good admins apart fairly easily -- they'll ignore the loud-mouthed accuser for awhile, then finally come out saying, "He's not hacking, STFU." Avoid the ones that are quick to ban anybody who speaks up, mentions hacking, or otherwise seems more than happy to exercise his artificial power.
 

TheSear

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The post above is fantastic, thanks mate I really enjoyed reading it and I completely agree
 

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I am interested in CS:S but I was looking at Steam, and was wondering what the difference between the mods are.
 

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I know your pain, i have been banned for many, many things in cod4 even absurd pointless hacks like speedhack aimbot and invulnerability, think up a hack does not matter how absurd and i have been banned for it ( i do not use hacks b.t.w ). Therefore i have come to the conclusion that many cod 4 players (and other online game players too!) are idiots.
 

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TheThanatos post=9.73281.791538 said:
I used to be an avid css player, and Ive been kicked from quite a few server's for "cheating".
Ive also had my own server and been the main admin for it. Any one who knows FPS games can drop out into spectator and watch some one play, it's damn obvious when some is aim boting or wallhacking. I was always very careful when it came to some one crying cheat, and I had more then a few people say "oh your a crap admin, you have no idea etc etc". There normally low skilled players who have no idea just how good some people can be, or mid level players jealous of your all natural high.
And any one crying cheat with no real cause would get the ban on my server, and people who were racist, instant baning of people spaming music on TS, ..... sigh I should start paying for my own server again. Any one up for an escapist CSS clan?
I'd be up for it if you let noobsauce players play :p
 

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Count_de_Monet post=9.73281.790662 said:
Take it as a compliment.
Agreed.


I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Though I can't agree with the permaban, if you were making the game unfun for most of the people on that server, then *some* action needed to be taken. I know when I game, I do it for fun. It's not fun when some guy kills my whole team over and over, and there is no competition between teams. It's even boring being on the team that steamrolls over the other team. There is no glory in the victory, or the defeat.
 

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Count_de_Monet post=9.73281.790662 said:
Take it as a compliment.
QFT

if you get banned and you know your not hacking then its a great compliment