But who owns the hospitals? Do the Doctors work for Doctor Corp. or do they work for the state?Sober Thal said:
What is Obamacare?
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In exchange, the United States has better healthcare technology, it's kind of a catch 22.Sober Thal said:
Which is bat-shit crazy because, if such a thing were in place at this moment, I would be fined.Zack Alklazaris said:
Because I just can't find a job with the way employers are hiring these days, so, I don't have an income.
I get a very minimal amount of money from my dad each month just to get by, 120 dollars, so I wouldn't be able to buy coverage at "reasonable" prices, because at this point reasonable is free, and they aren't going to make it free, and even if they did and even in need I don't support free healthcare given to me from the payments of taxpayers. That is forced charity and that just isn't right.
While you don't have a bill though, the health care system in Canada...kinda...really sucks. The wait times are huge even for simple visits and the doctors tend to be highly rushed and stressed. Most visits come down to 'What are your symptoms? Here's a prescription". And that's for a simple visit. If you have more complex issues, like cancer, people have died waiting to get in to see a specialist.Sober Thal said:
Why in the fuck don't they just go with the scandinavian system (I think it is the whole of scandinavia) and tax everyone a few percent and then everyone gets free healthcare. If your medicine costs go over about 1000 SEK (about 140$) you get that money back and won't have to pay for medicine or hospital. Why would anyone have anything against a system like this?
Oh wait, Republicans... Why are they still alive?
Oh wait, Republicans... Why are they still alive?
But the other side of that is that insurance is easier to get/cheaper/more widely available.Sober Thal said:
And you can no longer be shafted for a "pre-existing condition", ala Extra Credits' Alison.
There are so many people in my state who are actually claiming they will move to Canada because this passed. Which is, of course, like trying to avoid gang violence by moving to Mexico.SajuukKhar said:
Well, you have to be very careful here.mindlesspuppet said:
Yes, our medical technology is superior (mostly thanks to our massively profitable pharmaceutical industry), but our medical care isn't as good as everybody thinks it is. We rank 37th, and a lot of people don't want you to know that:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0910064
IKR, its kinda funny seeing the failblog picture of all the tweets of people saying they would go to Canada.peruvianskys said:
I was just like.... whut?
Brock Lesnar would beg to differ. I know that sounds like a strange statement, but it's a pretty well known example of the disparity in healthcare in the US vs Canada.Sober Thal said:
Except if you got hit by a bus tomorrow, you'd have no choice in the matter. You will be taken to an emergency room and they will fix you. And when you inevitably can't afford the $100,000+ price tag of emergency surgery, several days hospital stay, and post-op care, guess who picks up the tab? The government.Sonic Doctor said:
The free health insurance is cheaper on average than having to pay for that stuff because of negotiated pricing arrangements.
You are looking at this all wrong. You see yeah sure there is a tax. However, unlike every other tax on the books this tax can not be enforced through liens and seizures and non compliance will not be subject to criminal penalties. This reduces the associated tax to something akin to the charity stands that sell 50 cent lolipops on the honor system. This is a good thing I promise.Sober Thal said:
Just think about it. You can go without healthcare and ignore the penalty, because the IRS is powerless to enforce it under the law, then when the time comes you need insurance (I suggest waiting until you are in the back of an ambulance personally. No need to waste money after all) you just sign up then since you can't be denied for pre existing conditions. Then if you can't find a private company that will insure your sickly self for a price you deem fit you can simply turn to the government.
Hell, this is awesome news if you ask me. I can go totally uninsured while thumbing my nose at the tax penalty with no worry that I will be able to pick up some insurance should the time come when I need it. Hooray socialism!
. . . . Of course this is all under the presumption this thing stays around long enough to be put into law, which I think is a bit less likely than most people think. First the actual tax can be brought in front of the courts. You see you can't sue the government over an unlawful tax until you actually pay it so you can bet people are salivating to pay that thing to get Obamacare back in front of the courts. Then once it gets back in front of the courts again who the hell knows how that will turn out. However, even that won't be needed if Romney (aka the lesser of two evils) gets elected as I would wager doing away with Obamacare is number 1 through 101 on his list of things to do if elected.
But most people can get healthcare through their employer!Sober Thal said:
So...um...people without jobs will be fined!
Not that I don't agree with you, but who is to say if it's flawed or not before it's even been put in practice? Moreover, I don't think that any country has anything that could be considered even remotely close to flawless universal healthcare.lord.jeff said:
Well there's a little discussed provision in there, if I recall, that would only apply the fee if one could reasonably afford to pay. Those with income below a certain amount are exempt from the individual mandate. You fall under that category.Sonic Doctor said:
It is actually in the mandate of the government to "promote the general welfare" set about in the preamble of the constitution (though many forget about that.) This means the government's roll is to ensure the well being of its citizens as much as it can, if that means using taxpayer's money to keep it citizens alive, so be it. They already support most hospitals so that "forced charity" is in effect every time someone go to a non-private hospital since their costs have been subsidized to a degree. That and just about every other developed nation has a national health system which is why the US sucks when it comes to public health, comparatively.
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Actually I think the amount is at most 700 a year and I think they have plans for ways for low income people to reduce that further, since its added to the year end taxes, I'll bet you can take deductions from it and not end up needing to pay much if any of it if your low income. Not to mention if you manage to find a better deal from a private company you can just go with that.Sonic Doctor said:
