What IS PC gaming these days?

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wulf3n

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AzrealMaximillion said:
Your definition of what a PC is way too broad.
The definition not my definition.

AzrealMaximillion said:
In fact, you barely stated the difference between a console and a PC
I wonder why that is... That's right it's because I'm saying there isn't a difference. It's like saying there's a difference between a granny smith apple and an apple. One's a specific type of Apple the other is a term to encompass a bunch different types of apples.

PC is just a term to reference the set of computers that can run a variety of software types. As opposed to computers that are hard coded with a single/set of purpose(s) or Super computers that are inaccessible to private users.

You like most, seem to be confusing PC with Desktop PC and/or Laptop

AzrealMaximillion said:
Your bosses work files are not kept under his desk in a PS3.
My bosses work files aren't kept under a desk on a laptop either doesn't mean it's not a PC

AzrealMaximillion said:
If I were to use the logic your argument display, we could say that a microwave is a PC because it can tell time, just like a PC can. Maybe we should start calling cell phones the same thing as digital cameras because they share about two functions.
Depending on the Microwave/Phone/Camera your not far off. A lot of modern house hold appliances run the Android OS and can run software not designed with the original functionality in mind. If you were so inclined you could write a file server, you could write a word processor, you could write an email client and you could do all the things you do on your "PC". The same goes with video game consoles.

You claim my definition is too broad. I claim you're definition is too narrow.

The difference being I'm citing an existing accepted definition whereas you're citing your own bias.
 

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wulf3n said:
Technically every form of Video Game is run on a "PC" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer]

Your XBOX360 yep, that's a PC.
PS3 yep.
3DS that's a pc to.

Don't you just hate definitions :p
Statements like this just make me cringe, and think that the Escapist crowd is in serious need of a technical dictionary.

http://www.techterms.com/definition/pc

http://www.techterms.com/definition/console

There is a distinction because a game console is still very restricted to small scope of uses compared to a PC, regardless if you browse the web, use Facebook or watch movies on them.
 

babinro

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I'm a PC gamer because I have a good enough computer and the games are cheaper to buy digitally then via console.
It's all about price.

Eventually this rig will be out of date and I'll likely switch back to consoles until I can justify a legitimate upgrade.
I'm not versed enough in computer hardware to build a gaming rig with $300.00 on my own so they typically set me back $1000-$1200.
 

Colt47

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babinro said:
I'm a PC gamer because I have a good enough computer and the games are cheaper to buy digitally then via console.
It's all about price.

Eventually this rig will be out of date and I'll likely switch back to consoles until I can justify a legitimate upgrade.
I'm not versed enough in computer hardware to build a gaming rig with $300.00 on my own so they typically set me back $1000-$1200.
Eh, playing core games on the PC has always been an expensive through fare. I remember back in the 90s when someone had to upgrade their graphics card at minimum to play the next iteration of Ultima, let alone System Shock 2 or Quake. These days we can get away with using the same graphics card and PC for a comparatively long time: I don't see the 7970 getting outdated given the specs on the next console generation for a good long while.

This is assuming that the person in question isn't a computer enthusiast that loves cranking settings to the max just to see the best eye candy humanly possible. I've actually tried it, but found that most games look pretty good period at recommended settings, and most of the settings past that point are kind of window dressing.
 

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wulf3n said:
I'm bowing out of this debate after this post. If you're going to say that your link a Wikipedia article is the end all definition of what a PC is and not even have your own points to argue, then there's no point in talking any further about this.

What's funny about your argument is that doesn't support your reasoning for why a PS3 or a 3DS is a PC. You just pasted the link and defined it as true. Which its not. Because using your asinine argument style I could stick the link up to the Wikipedia page for video game console your point is nullified by the simple fact that it states the differences between the 2 in the definition:[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console#Differences_between_consoles_and_personal_computers[\link]

This is the way you argue so I may as well use it against you.

Now I won't be replying to any more of your retorts unless you can actually debate, with your own reasoning, why gaming consoles are the same as PCs. You Wiki link debating has been contradicted by another article and you've said nothing yourself on the matter.
 

LAGG

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
ResonanceSD said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
ResonanceSD said:
It's using this



To play this.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/212680/

And thinking that it's perfectly reasonable.
You laugh, but the next major purchase I want to make for my home theater is an HD Projector. Once I get that, you can guarantee I'll be playing some FTL on it XP

OT: Are you a gamer who uses his PC to play games? Then congratulations, you're a PC gamer. Mobas may be insanely popular right now, but they're not exactly a pre-requisite for being a PC gamer. For that matter, you said you play indie games. That's about as PC as it gets. Sure, the consoles have indie games, but the variety isn't there just yet for it to reasonably make up the majority of what anyone plays. Not anyone who has gaming as a major hobby, anyway. PC Indies, on the other hand? You could spend the rest of your life just playing the good ones that are currently on the market, and probably be pretty happy with it. There's just that many games out there with that much variety.

What's better than a glaive beam?

WATCHING A GLAIVE BEAM TEAR APART YOUR ENEMY ACROSS AN ENTIRE WALL!


Also totally serious, that's my PC :p
Seriously? Nice. Although I'm kind of surprised with a projector like that you have it set up at a desk -- my plan involves a couch, a tray table, and a wireless keyboard and mouse :D
That's exactly how I play on weekends, and it's awesome! :p

Except there's no tray table, just keyboard on my lap and this mouse on the couch:
http://www.bestpcdeal.com.au/images/Logitech%20Trackman%20Wheel%20Trackball.jpg

But soon I planning to get one of these, then everything will be perfect:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/485185897/revolve-goes-wireless
 

wulf3n

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AzrealMaximillion said:
Because using your asinine argument style I could
No need for insults, and here I was thinking I was arguing with someone more mature.

Strelok said:
Statements like this just make me cringe, and think that the Escapist crowd is in serious need of a technical dictionary.

http://www.techterms.com/definition/pc

http://www.techterms.com/definition/console

There is a distinction because a game console is still very restricted to small scope of uses compared to a PC, regardless if you browse the web, use Facebook or watch movies on them.
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Tech Terms said:
if you use a computer at home or at work, you can safely call it a PC
So according to Tech Terms if I use my Console [a computer] at home I can safely call it a PC.

Thanks for the links :p
 

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LuisGuimaraes said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
ResonanceSD said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
ResonanceSD said:
It's using this



To play this.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/212680/

And thinking that it's perfectly reasonable.
You laugh, but the next major purchase I want to make for my home theater is an HD Projector. Once I get that, you can guarantee I'll be playing some FTL on it XP

OT: Are you a gamer who uses his PC to play games? Then congratulations, you're a PC gamer. Mobas may be insanely popular right now, but they're not exactly a pre-requisite for being a PC gamer. For that matter, you said you play indie games. That's about as PC as it gets. Sure, the consoles have indie games, but the variety isn't there just yet for it to reasonably make up the majority of what anyone plays. Not anyone who has gaming as a major hobby, anyway. PC Indies, on the other hand? You could spend the rest of your life just playing the good ones that are currently on the market, and probably be pretty happy with it. There's just that many games out there with that much variety.

What's better than a glaive beam?

WATCHING A GLAIVE BEAM TEAR APART YOUR ENEMY ACROSS AN ENTIRE WALL!


Also totally serious, that's my PC :p
Seriously? Nice. Although I'm kind of surprised with a projector like that you have it set up at a desk -- my plan involves a couch, a tray table, and a wireless keyboard and mouse :D
That's exactly how I play on weekends, and it's awesome! :p

Except there's no tray table, just keyboard on my lap and this mouse on the couch:
http://www.bestpcdeal.com.au/images/Logitech%20Trackman%20Wheel%20Trackball.jpg

But soon I planning to get one of these, then everything will be perfect:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/485185897/revolve-goes-wireless
A controller with a built in trackball? Why has nobody thought of this before? I understand some of the better Quake players used track balls back in the day, so I'd imagine something like that would kick ass once you got used to it.
 

EstrogenicMuscle

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PFCboom said:
AC10 said:
PC gaming is when you play games on a PC.
It doesn't matter what game it is. It doesn't matter what genre it is.
If you're playing Scribblenauts Unlimited on the PC then you're PC gaming.
I think we can call that a /thread right there. The state of PC gamING might be ever fluid, but as long as you play games on a PC, you're a PC gamer.
I think it is complicated, though, too. I think it is just one of those things that varies from person to person on the meaning. Like with jRPGs and wRPGs. What's a jRPG? What's a wRPG? Depending on who you ask, you'll get a different answer.

I feel like I've always been a PC gamer in terms of software because I always wanted to feel the captain of a media hub. I romanticized programmers and hackers and felt like the commander of some kind of weird space ship just having a computer. I always wanted a system to grow and improve with me like Mega Man. And the PC was more like that than the console. To me, the PC was like Mega Man, it always grew and changed and would take on the powers what what you put in it. Becoming a stronger warrior than before instead of just using new tools to be thrown away.

If software, and in terms of convenience, however, I was always a console gamer. In fact my PC gaming hit a huge spike when I first discovered SNES emulators when I was a teenager. A system that is still my favourite of all time. For when I was a kid, I did play and enjoy some games like Tank Wars [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-rAY1VSVNY] and Scorched Earth [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDw_mpjKlpg], console gaming was not only more approachable, but it had the games I cared about most.

Sure, having a PC felt like Mega Man, but I didn't have the money to spend on building up that Mega Man. In fact I didn't even have the money to afford a fraction of the games I cared about. I couldn't use that PC, that "Mega Man", that was growing and improving, to even play Mega Man. Sure, emulators and PC ports of Mega Man games even, actually did exist. But I didn't see Mega Man games as the store, and I had no internet connection to even discover emulators. I discovered emulators within the first month of even having an internet connection. Because I spent most of my time on that internet connection looking up information about console games.

My childhood was all about console exclusive games. I didn't consider myself a "PC gamer" because 1, I could not afford one, 2, because the games I wanted to play weren't released on the PC, and 3, because I associated "PC gaming" with the PC games that Wal-Mart sold or the games that existed in PC magazines, which were not relevant to my interests, and I ignored for Nintendo power.

Despite for all intents and purposes, I was a "PC gamer" that played most of my games on the PC in the 90s and 2000s. I considered myself a console gamer. Because my childhood was defined by me being a Nintendo kid whose first system was an Atari 2600, then an NES, and then a Super NES, and then a PlayStation. And you can guess which genres drove my hardware purchasing habits.

Japanese RPGs, platformers, and Fighting games. I spent my childhood struggling to find and buy games like Final Fantasy II(IV), Final Fantasy III(VI), Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Super Mario RPG, Mega Man X, Disney's Magical Quest starring Mickey Mouse, Disney's Magical Quest 2 Starring Mickey & Minnie, Popful Mail, Lunar Silver Star, Grandia, Final Fantasy VII(which was my FIRST 32-bit game), NiGHTs into Dreams..., Super Street Fighter II, Samurai Showdown, Grandia, Yoshi's Island, Donkey Kong Country 2, and other gems like these. These were NOT PC games and I did NOT consider myself a PC gamer. These games were what made me a gamer, not hardware of any sort. And these games were on the console.

Now, I'm definitely a PC gamer. I own several gaming PCs because I have several years of recycling parts. And I spend the vast majority of the time gaming on the PC. I own a Steam account with several titles, as well as Desura and Good old Games. But the realm still feels as alienating to me as it once did. I struggle to get Japanese RPGs and other games I care about legitimately on the PC. For every person on Steam that wants jRPGs on the PC, there's someone who say something like "PC gaming doesn't need this junk". I struggle to get the games I want on Steam even with Greenlight. That which I love is an underdog in the PC gaming world and it makes me still feel like I am not a PC gamer. In fact, despite being a PC gamer, I feel like PC gaming is somewhat my enemy. Lots of people say that PC gaming is dead in Japan, and that "we don't your [negative statement about jRPGs ect. here]". The last I checked out the Agarest War Greenlight page, there was someone saying that the "PC shouldn't have jRPGs" because the "PC deserves good, mainstream respected titles". As if to say, "the PC shouldn't have Japanese games unless they're something like Resident Evil 6."

That being said, things are growing and I'm becoming ever more comfortable with PC gaming. Carpe Fulgur, Nyu-Media, PLAYISM, and Rockin' Android are all localizing doujin titles. Record of Agarest War got Greenlit with flying colours. And things are just looking up for PC gaming for people like me. People like me are still newcomers to the PC gaming world, however.

As of right now, I only buy consoles for exclusives. Usually Japanese exclusives like jRPGs and Fighting games. Which is something I still very much have to do, since most of these games are console exclusive. And this means that I still spent a great deal of time on the console rather than the PC. Because aside from the Wii, which is possible to emulate, all of the exclusives I care about are on the PlayStation 3 and/or XBOX 360. Usually the PlayStation 3.
 

LAGG

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
LuisGuimaraes said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
ResonanceSD said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
ResonanceSD said:
It's using this



To play this.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/212680/

And thinking that it's perfectly reasonable.
You laugh, but the next major purchase I want to make for my home theater is an HD Projector. Once I get that, you can guarantee I'll be playing some FTL on it XP

OT: Are you a gamer who uses his PC to play games? Then congratulations, you're a PC gamer. Mobas may be insanely popular right now, but they're not exactly a pre-requisite for being a PC gamer. For that matter, you said you play indie games. That's about as PC as it gets. Sure, the consoles have indie games, but the variety isn't there just yet for it to reasonably make up the majority of what anyone plays. Not anyone who has gaming as a major hobby, anyway. PC Indies, on the other hand? You could spend the rest of your life just playing the good ones that are currently on the market, and probably be pretty happy with it. There's just that many games out there with that much variety.

What's better than a glaive beam?

WATCHING A GLAIVE BEAM TEAR APART YOUR ENEMY ACROSS AN ENTIRE WALL!


Also totally serious, that's my PC :p
Seriously? Nice. Although I'm kind of surprised with a projector like that you have it set up at a desk -- my plan involves a couch, a tray table, and a wireless keyboard and mouse :D
That's exactly how I play on weekends, and it's awesome! :p

Except there's no tray table, just keyboard on my lap and this mouse on the couch:
http://www.bestpcdeal.com.au/images/Logitech%20Trackman%20Wheel%20Trackball.jpg

But soon I planning to get one of these, then everything will be perfect:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/485185897/revolve-goes-wireless
A controller with a built in trackball? Why has nobody thought of this before? I understand some of the better Quake players used track balls back in the day, so I'd imagine something like that would kick ass once you got used to it.
Yes, people have been talking about it for 6 or 7 years now, yet MS, Nintendo and Sony never seemed to care. No idea why, at all.
I'm trying to upload new videos where I'm playing a lot better than in the old one bellow. I'm not yet kicking ass but still quite good in comparison to what an analog stick would look like without aim assist and against those mouse players. I'll update when I get the new videos up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2T9iqqVRmI

EDIT:

Here are the new videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYmKPbZ66A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZFmzE-m0Nw

EDIT:

Two more, sniping this time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwGnod2bZIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWPwNg-9rKY
 

AzrealMaximillion

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wulf3n said:
Tech Terms said:
if you use a computer at home or at work, you can safely call it a PC
So according to Tech Terms if I use my Console [a computer] at home I can safely call it a PC.

Thanks for the links :p
Well logic is lost on you due to your crowbarring of semantics. Just know that your argument is an extremely watered down description of what a PC is.

Can both watch movies, play games, and surf the web? Yes. Does that make a console a PC. Nope.

A console can't do the following:
Access the web in a manner that can be called satisfactory
Can't be upgraded by the consumer through buying separate parts outside of memory.
Can't be changed for better performance (custom parts, overclocking)
Can't play all movie file types.
Can't send media to other places from a console wirelessly.
Can't homebrew fix a broken program (fixing a bug on a game, fixing a bug with the internet browser)
Have mods for games or programs
Burn media or any file to disks

And so on and so forth.

The very core of your argument is invalid due to the fact that we have had these terms to begin with.

By your logic, phones are now PCs. Newer TVs too.
 

wulf3n

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AzrealMaximillion said:
Just know that your argument is an extremely watered down description of what a PC is.
Watered down compared to what?

AzrealMaximillion said:
The very core of your argument is invalid due to the fact that we have had these terms to begin with.
You mean the terms you arbitrarily added to the definition of PC based on your own opinion.

AzrealMaximillion said:
By your logic, phones are now PCs. Newer TVs too.
Yes.

In case you haven't noticed I've simply been messing with semantics, based on the "definition" of PC. In truth everyone has their own definition of what constitutes a PC to them, likewise everyone has their own definition of PC Gaming.

Although I don't take too kindly to your comment that citing external sources, however "valid" they may be, is asinine. At least I'm referencing an opinion that has been somewhat scrutinised, you're merely expressing your opinion, and trying to pass it off as fact.

All your "arguments" as to what a "PC" can do, is merely your opinion of what a PC can do.

Take these for example:

AzrealMaximillion said:
Access the web in a manner that can be called satisfactory
Can't be upgraded by the consumer through buying separate parts outside of memory.
Can't be changed for better performance (custom parts, overclocking)
Can't play all movie file types.
Can't send media to other places from a console wirelessly.
Can't homebrew fix a broken program (fixing a bug on a game, fixing a bug with the internet browser)
Have mods for games or programs
Burn media or any file to disks
Now ignoring the fact that most of these could be done by consoles given the right software, when have these ever been "Requirements" for something to be called a PC?

Do you see what I mean by you arguing your opinion as fact?