What is Sony's Problem?

[Lt. Dragunov]

I think the real question is "what is'nt sony's problem." i have a ps3 and I'v been waiting for playstaition home for longer than i can give a damn for and there still no solid release date for it. All they say is "Oh i don't know sum time in the fall maybe (smiles)" like thats realy funny. 70% of the reason why i got a ps3 was for psh and if it was'nt fo the 30% for the games and blue-ray i would'nt have it any more.

So you'd prefer them to rush out an application rather than taking the time to make it as great as it can be?

I'd rather them give a solid release date for it thats all i ask for, for the last 3 years we'v been getting reports of sony releasing psh "soon" that was like 2 years ago, then they said this fall, and now they are saying at the end of the year. I dont wanna whine about this but can they give a release date and not change it to another. Oh and i just heard they might move the release date back again to fall of next year. Great....

The goos news is that it will be in open beta as of December 25th of this year, I'd wager it'll be out sometime 1st quarter of '09.

Realy well i thank you for that bit of info this is the newist news I'v gotten regarding to playstaition home so once again thank you.

 

[Woe Is You]

Wait, this example doesn't work. If where you are 360 and PS3 games generally cost the same regardless if it has two or more disks, then obviously one disk is more appealing to you than 2 or 3, conciously or subconciously.

Like I said, I concede that it's more convenient.

But not so much more convenient that I'll fork over 150EUR (which is about the price difference between the PS3 and a 360 Premium + a year of Live) extra for a machine to play the game.

 

[Jumplion]

Wait, this example doesn't work. If where you are 360 and PS3 games generally cost the same regardless if it has two or more disks, then obviously one disk is more appealing to you than 2 or 3, conciously or subconciously.

Like I said, I concede that it's more convenient.

But not so much more convenient that I'll fork over 150EUR (which is about the price difference between the PS3 and a 360 Premium + a year of Live) extra for a machine to play the game.

Ah, I thought 150EUR was the cost of the game you were talking about.....well the economy is in the toilet.

 

[songnar]

I think the real question is "what is'nt sony's problem." i have a ps3 and I'v been waiting for playstaition home for longer than i can give a damn for and there still no solid release date for it. All they say is "Oh i don't know sum time in the fall maybe (smiles)" like thats realy funny. 70% of the reason why i got a ps3 was for psh and if it was'nt fo the 30% for the games and blue-ray i would'nt have it any more.

So you'd prefer them to rush out an application rather than taking the time to make it as great as it can be?

I'd rather them give a solid release date for it thats all i ask for, for the last 3 years we'v been getting reports of sony releasing psh "soon" that was like 2 years ago, then they said this fall, and now they are saying at the end of the year. I dont wanna whine about this but can they give a release date and not change it to another. Oh and i just heard they might move the release date back again to fall of next year. Great....

The goos news is that it will be in open beta as of December 25th of this year, I'd wager it'll be out sometime 1st quarter of '09.

Since its an open online application, what separates the open Beta from the real deal?

Quite honestly, I have no idea. I'm not on the PSH dev team, I just read the wiki updates.

 

[Hevoo]

What is Sony's problem......... everything.

Agreed. Once Sony starts LISTENING to their customers then MAYBE...just MAYBE they can become a DECENT company.

That is a far stretch though.

If there is a better word then stretch I would use it.

 

[asinann]

Might help if they would put out a few good games that you can't get on other systems (there's only one I can think of off hand MGS4.)

Need I point you to the advertising they did in I think Ireland for Resistance 2? That was just pure awesome what they did..

So 2 games?

Who's going to pay $400 to play 2 games?

Must we do this again? LittleBigPlanet, Uncharted, Warhawk, Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, Heavenly Sword, Valkyria Chronicles, Disgaea 3, far far far better upcoming games.

I'd play Disgaea out of those, and I'm fairly sure that it will be ported eventually just like the rest of them. And let me name the clones: LittleBigPlanet clones a couple of old games (lemmings) Warhawk, from the name I'm smelling flight sim, Heavenly Sword is just your standard kill tons of enemies slasher (except they used a scantily clad redhead)Motorstorm is just another racer (though I will give them this, it isn't a city street racer, rare thing now days.)

I could play any of those games (just with a different name) on other systems and could have played them all 15 years ago.

And as for the RRoD comment being fanboyish, no.
I've dealt enough with Sony and their customer support to know their patterns.
Step 1: deny a problem exists
Step 2: keep denying problem exists
Step 3: blame the customer for the problem and void their warranty
Step 4: see steps 1 and 2.

 

[asinann]

The PS3 has a better library of exclusives than the X360. Europeans and the Japanese have realised this.

Woah, don't go there. Of course there are wonderful exclusives, such as MGS4 (which I really want) and LBP, but thee 360 also has great exclusives!

The X360 also has great exclusives, you are quite right. But I said the PS3 has a better library of exclusives. I don't think it's fanboyish to express an opinion in either direction... unless you want everyone to say that each library of exclusives is exactly equal in terms of quality and variety. Personally I think the PS3 wins in quality and variety, if not quantity.

Pretty much. To put this in perspective, lets look at the match-up of the Ps3's second most important game of the year to the 360's most important game of the year.
http://www.psu.com/Resistance-2-vs-Gears-of-War-2-Video-Comparison-News--a0005507-p0.php
This last push has put the Ps3 on equal footing with the 360 in terms of games.

Gears of war wasn't their biggest title of the year, Fable 2 was. And both had higher pre-order numbers than Resistance.

And son, graphics ain't everything. There's better games on the Atari 2600 than some of the crap that gets released now.

 

[Aura Guardian]

Maybe it's people like me who never sell a Piece of Shit Portable(PSP) to anybody.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

I've been playing Gears of War... i'm not sure what the hell everyone is COMPLAINING about...

 

[songnar]

I too have dealt with Sony and their support was excellent. Here the trick... BUY A WARRANTY. That's right, that little piece of paper you pay the extra 50-100 dollars for with one of their products - it protects your system from being broken. And then, when it does break, don't try to fix it yourself or you will end up in yet another episode of Tim Allen's classic TV sitcom the name of which avoids me at the moment and you will quickly void the warranty. Also, while I'm on the point, READ the warranty. Now, naturally this goes for any electronic thing you purchase which you want to keep but I feel it's an important thing to remember because if I sell you a flibberty-gibbit and you don't buy the warranty why the nine-and-one should I have any compassion for you when it breaks?

 

[ProfessorLayton]

Price-wise the ps3 is actually CHEAPER than the 360 considering what you get for your money and how much it would cost to get all the gear for the 360.

And I'm pretty sure the ps3 is only 3rd place in the U.S.

Yes, third out of... three.

Honestly, I have put an extreme amount of money into my 360, but I doubt that when I get a PS3, I will not by games.

 

[Wargamer]

I just want to know if anyone is more informed than me or knows what the heck is going on.

Sony currently not only has the lowest selling handheld, but home platforms. They also have the most expensive of each. 400 dollars for a PS3, and 160 for a PSP. DS beats the PSP evey month, and the Wii and 360 outsell the PS3 every month. They haven't dropped their prices ever.

Now, I want a PS3, but for 400 dollars, I'll just stick to my 360. It may be because I'm cheap, but I think that's crazy. I want to play Resistance, and I want to play LittleBigPlanet, but I just heard that Sony denied planning a price drop. It's not like they're selling a lot, because they're selling the least amount of consoles.

It may just be a little rant, but can someone please tell me what's going on or why they won't lower prices?

Why should they? X-Box is the cheapest on the market. The PS3 is more expensive to make. Sony can either try (and fail) to beat the X-Box on price, or they can shrug and say "you get what you pay for."

And we all know that's true. Imagine you go into, say, a TV store where the average price of a TV is £100. You know the TV selling for £50 is probably going to be a bit crap. The stuff for £100 will be pretty good, but the one selling for £200 is going to be great.

There's a considerable degree of psychological 'comfort' in paying top bat.

 

[tagMaverick]

Thing is, most people can't spend a lot on stuff anymore, and gaming costs a lot, so the most output for the least input is going to be the most efficient entertainment venture for the middle class american. 360 has more variety, better variety, and Respectable games: Halo, GoW, Mass Effect, Any JRPG, Fable 2, Left 4 Dead. Versus PS3 with what, MGS4 (which I haven't ever heard of after the release) the Persona Series (my personal favorite games), and final fantasy.

You're missing a few things, like Resistance 2, the online of which is agreed to be better than the online of GeoW II (GoW is still a Sony exclusive, and can't not be), LittleBigPlanet, better JRPGs (Disgaea 3 and Valkyria Chronicles), Warhawk, SOCOM : Confrontation, MotosrStorm: Pacific Rift, and so on.

Just again stating this is opinion, but:

I don't know a single person (at all; not One) that has played Resistance:Fall of Man to the extent that Halo 3 and GoW (and GoW2) are played. It's not a good game. It's just a grey FPS, it's boring. Again, this is preference, but it's just not better than Real Console Shooters. I say console shooters because I, personally, believe FPS on computer is a little more controllable, and can not WAIT until Huxley lets console and PC gamers play together, because I'd love to test the theory. If huxley does that at all, and if they do, it's just another reason to get a 360 over the PS3.

Next is "gow" which I assume you mean God of War, which is no longer abbreviated by "GoW" (which is Gears of War, search "GoW" on google).

Littlebigplanet really, personally, isn't the type of genre I was talking about. I'm basing my text off of 16-30 year olds, some of which still might play JRPGs and watch Anime, I know people who do, but Littlebigplanet, I really can't see that as a possible game choice for anyone short of a hardcore puzzle gamer. If your favorite games are Portal, Mirror's Edge, Zack and Wiki, and Auditorium, I can see Littlebigplanet being on your list of games to conquer. But, personally, it's a puzzle game, and yeah it might be fun but entertainment in videogaming is a much more complex issue than, "i had fun, that was a good investment." Personally.

As for JRPG, that's preference, 360 has a wider variety, PS3 has some too. As I said, my favorite series is Persona, which is a playstation exclusive, I don't doubt they have quality titles. I, personally, am going to be biased in thinking that most people aren't consuming the JRPG titles because most people in My age / generation / whatever, are going to be buying very specialized genres of games: "What my friend got", "Console FPS", "PC FPS", "Gears.", "Sports Game". I, personally, like a wider variety, but for a large consumer base that is 15-20, games that their friends wouldn't play probably aren't going to be on their short list.

As for socom, motorstorm, warhawk, they really aren't top tier games like Call of Duty, (i don't know a lot of racing games, but i'd say like Need for Speed and PGR), Valve (shootergames).

Again, this is all preference, and I'm not saying that mine is better than anyone elses, But, "gamers" that I know play close to 4 games, as a communal people: Call of Duty, Madden, Gears of War, and whatever the newest "cool" game is, like it was just Dead Space, Fallout 3, Left 4 Dead, etc.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

The PS3 has a better library of exclusives than the X360. Europeans and the Japanese have realised this.

Woah, don't go there. Of course there are wonderful exclusives, such as MGS4 (which I really want) and LBP, but thee 360 also has great exclusives!

The X360 also has great exclusives, you are quite right. But I said the PS3 has a better library of exclusives. I don't think it's fanboyish to express an opinion in either direction... unless you want everyone to say that each library of exclusives is exactly equal in terms of quality and variety. Personally I think the PS3 wins in quality and variety, if not quantity.

Pretty much. To put this in perspective, lets look at the match-up of the Ps3's second most important game of the year to the 360's most important game of the year.
http://www.psu.com/Resistance-2-vs-Gears-of-War-2-Video-Comparison-News--a0005507-p0.php
This last push has put the Ps3 on equal footing with the 360 in terms of games.

Doesn't work. You would be better off taking a title that appeared simultaniously on both consoles, thus eliminating factors connected with the game itself.

http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/11/17/fallout-3-sells-most-in-series-xbox-360-has-55-of-sales/

When looking closely at the sales chart supplied by GfK Chart-Track, 55 percent of Fallout 3 sales were on the Xbox 360, 28 percent on the Sony PS3, and the remaining 17 percent on PC.

 

[tagMaverick]

Pretty much. To put this in perspective, lets look at the match-up of the Ps3's second most important game of the year to the 360's most important game of the year.
http://www.psu.com/Resistance-2-vs-Gears-of-War-2-Video-Comparison-News--a0005507-p0.php
This last push has put the Ps3 on equal footing with the 360 in terms of games.

Doesn't work. You would be better off taking a title that appeared simultaniously on both consoles, thus eliminating factors connected with the game itself.

http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/11/17/fallout-3-sells-most-in-series-xbox-360-has-55-of-sales/

When looking closely at the sales chart supplied by GfK Chart-Track, 55 percent of Fallout 3 sales were on the Xbox 360, 28 percent on the Sony PS3, and the remaining 17 percent on PC.

Agreed with cuddly, not to mention:

Indigo, your stats are from Playstation Universe, biased much?
Biased and totally non-factual. They are comparing a game with another that hasn't been released, you will see how Resistance fairs after release. It is not as good a game, let alone better, the online of Playstation can't hold a candle next to 360, and IGN, really? Lets use people who get paid by game companies to prove that those game companies are good.

I have a PS3 and a 360, the PS3 plays Blurays and Persona 4. I've played resistance, and you'd have to be full of something unmentionable to say that game is anything put a copy paste of previous games. Gears revolutionized Cover. Gears revolutionized 3PS. Resistance is a gray first person shooter against mutants/whatever.