what is the best assault rifle?

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The Last Parade

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... oh... my... fucking... god, are half of you a bunch of /b/tards?... no even /b/tards would know that the AK47 (Made in 1947 were scrapped for the new model the AK74 (made in 1974)

You guys seem to know alot about guns... and yet you don't know a simple fact like this?

oh, and btw M4... or the fat man
 

thetrixxxter

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i saw a show on the military channel about the top 10 battle rifles. ak-47 was first, m-16 was second. it was a good show. this one guy said he could train someone to use an ak in few hours, and that he'd need about a week for the m-16. Also, my father-in-law was in vietnam and he said the ak was a better gun, he'd probably know.
 

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The micro Tavor for me.



Its accurate(as accurate as a sniper), compact, lightweight(smaller than an M4) and reliable.

Great for stealth work, the silencer works great.
 

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I had a discussion with my friend about Call of Duty 4 about 2 or so months ago.
The topic was basically why he sucked for not having it and playing with the rest of the group.
Somehow it came to the topic of the firearms themselves and his insight from being in the military.

According to him, the M16 was the "best assault rifle made in the last century because of it's barrel design". I recounted something I heard about a bullet ricocheting INSIDE body parts until the general area of flesh was reduced to chunks, to which he replied, "Yeah, that's the one."

And as to why the AK-47 is so popular to terrorists in the movies, "because it's cheap, easy to use, powerful and keeps on working".
Personally, I would have to say because of Samuel L. Jackson's sales pitch. ^.^
 

Zacharine

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UnoticedShadow said:
... oh... my... fucking... god, are half of you a bunch of /b/tards?... no even /b/tards would know that the AK47 (Made in 1947 were scrapped for the new model the AK74 (made in 1974)

You guys seem to know alot about guns... and yet you don't know a simple fact like this?
Which is why some of us go for the AK-47 derivatives. Such as the RK-95 (or M95 as otherwise known). AK-47 inspired (and was pretty much copied) for RK-62 (1962) but with more metal and less wood. RK-95 (began production in 1995) is the upgraded version of the RK-62.

Check my previous post (#109) in this thread for more details. All the goodness of an AK-47 with similar modifications to AK-74 to get rid of the problems and make it viable in the modern battlefield.
 

joschen

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Id say the HK416.

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Trustworthy, it wont let you down no matter how much you violate it.
Sand and/or water, no problem-O.
 

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RAKtheUndead said:
Sgt Doom said:
Am I the only one who feels like strangling people for some of the truly ignorant posts here?
Considering that I've invested a couple of hours of my time and about four thousand words already trying to disprove people's fallacies about firearms without even getting started on anything important, I don't think you're alone there.

Stalk3rchief said:
The weapon was not designed to kill, it was only meant to immobilize any threat.
For some reason it's viewed as "More Humane"
Actually, there's an advantage to a horrifying immobilising shot over a simple kill shot, and it isn't anything to do with being humane. Actually, a maimed soldier ties up more of the enemy's resources than a dead one, even if the dead one represents a couple of hundred thousand dollars of training. The immobilised soldier can't fight, requires hospitalisation and represents somebody who might well get very bitter about his army's involvement in the war.
That is true, and I admit it hasn't crossed my mind before.
But, after a little thought, it still doesn't mean it's a good assault rifle.
A good gun kills it's target, that's what they're made for.
A crippling gun may be good for hurting an enemies infrastructure and demoralizing certain troops, but I think a well trained military with very deadly efficient weapons can do that and then some.
So, therefor, I still think the M-16 is unreliable as a military weapon.
I might be wrong, probably am, but everyone has an opinion.
 

The Last Parade

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Yes but I was complaining about the CoD4 tards that spammed "AK47" on the first page, I'm not saying that all of you are dumb, my statement was directed towards retards

(And CoD4 is a fine game, I just hate the fanatics)
 

Ninja_X

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Snowalker said:
M-14.. nothing is better than a sniper fused with a assault.
Except for the M16A2 and the M4A1, which are both better in every conceivable way and can also be used for sniping.
 

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UnoticedShadow said:
Yes but I was complaining about the CoD4 tards that spammed "AK47" on the first page, I'm not saying that all of you are dumb, my statement was directed towards retards

(And CoD4 is a fine game, I just hate the fanatics)
Oh, so totally agreed.

Seriously, people who gained their knowledge of firearms from video games really should stop and think a minute before opening their mouth. Most likely something inaccurate is going to come out, at worst cases something truly idiotic.

Those who have never tried firing an assault rifle at single fire and automatic modes really have little idea of how an assault rifle behaves. It makes me mad when people think that they can just fire any gun accurately from the hip, much less an assault rifle in automatic mode. Then there are the differences between different models. I've never shot an M-16, so I have to take other people's word for it's relatively small recoil effect, but I do know the RK-95 and most AK-inspired guns tend to hande fairly the same. And I know that I will never, ever fire it from a standing position if I can help it. The recoil just sucks and it's not that much better from a crouch (well, at least you can hit a target 150m away with consistency). And seriously, people who have never tried firing at 300m away have no idea just how small a human-sized target is.

Honestly, had I not seen RAKtheUndead do his great work debunking the inaccuracies, I'd might have begun to do something similar.
 

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ok to put it down simply:
ar-15 family(m16, m4 family)-ie the stoner rifles, generally more accurate than AK-47, and marginally lighter. accuracy points down to the fact that the ar-15 uses 5.56mm NATO which has a smaller recoil. and also higher muzzle velocity(reduced bullet drop) however it comes at a price: less stopping power. the stoner system is also another issue: it has a tendency to get clogeed up easily with carbon upon prolonged firing W/O cleaning. which is ok given a civilian context, but problematic in a combat scenario. the problems are even more prominent in the M4 series as the shorther barrel gives reduced firepower and shorter gas tube translate to reduced reliability. in addition, M4s have been known to suffer frequent weapon failures in extremely dusty conditions(refer to US army's dust test).

Ak-47: because of it's simple construction it is cheap to manufacture and easy to produce. it is also very reliable because of it's simplicity in design. that said: there are issues: firstly recoil. the 7.62 soviet round has more stopping power but lacks accuracy due to it's slow muzzle velocity and high recoil.

so to sum up the fight between ak and ar-15: they complement each other-both representing different approaches to assualt rifle design-largely due to different warfighting doctrine employed by the us and the soviets during the cold war. and this is why there's always this foght going on abt the better of the 2 rifles, and to make it worse: the ak has now become the standard of any guerilla army, while the m16 continues to be used by the US army(particularly because the us army is being a bit of a cheapskate by scrapping the xm-8, citing that the system was not a big enough advancement for them to invest more money into it-despite having proven it's relaibilty in the extreme dust test(which by the way, the m4 failed miserably)-thereby further proving that the army always goes for the cheapest alternative, and equipment will always be provided by the lowest bidder(unless u happen to end up in spec force i guess)-this can also be proven by the dragon scale body armour vs IBA case.

however-take note: the soviets later, upon hearing about reports of the effectiveness of the 5.56 in vietnam, went on to update their aks for their new 5.45mm round, the new aks became ak-74. the newer ak 101 series which takes 5.56mm was designed for export market for countries who use 5.56mm

well, back to the main focus of this forum. what assualt rifle i would pick.
prob the bushmaster acr or scar for their versatility. it's not just that you can add additional optics or shotguns/grenade launcher via the picatinny rail.you can change the barrel and magazine feed to accept other calibres. so for now they can accept both 5.56mm nato and 7.62 nato. it is rumoured that barrels that can use the 7.62 soviet will be produced. now if only they manufactured barrels for 6.5mm grendel or 6.8 SPC and it'll be almost perfect.(note: the ACR wasn't included in the dust test, but the scar was and it did fairly well)
 

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A lot of people here seem to think that the M16 is very unreliable however that isn't true. It's just that the Americans fighting in Vietnam didn't take care of their weapons properly so they jammed often because of the damp jungle air and stuff like that. It's much more accurate than the AK and even though it has less power and smaller bullets it's still very effective and would be my choice.
 

Zacharine

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wax88 said:
Welcome to Escapist.

And while your post was nice, it does have one point against it:

Please, at least try to write with proper grammar, as in remember punctuation, proper use of capital letters and at least a rudimentary spell checking.

We try not to be grammar nazis over here, but some effort to the visual presentation of posts is appreciated and not even trying is a bit frowned upon. Sure, mistakes happen and not everyone here (including me) speak english as their native language, but it's the intent that counts.

Just as an F-Y-I for the future.

Oh, and do you have some links to the 'dust test' of the M4s, done by the US army? I'd actually like to see some raw test data for myself as this thread has managed to again pique my interest in firearms momentarily.