What is the point in showing people evidence of UFOs

[twasdfzxcv]

There is this little thing called scientific method. As long as you follow it meticulously in your pursuit of knowledge no one should ever make fun of you.

 

[Gilhelmi]

Also, whenever people "describe" the "aliens". They always give them prodomitly human characteristics (eyeballs, 10 digit fingers, legs, general body structure (2 arms where we have them, 2 legs where we have them, a chest cavity), similar face design (eyes, ears, nose and mouth are in the same place as ours), etc).

We have evolved (assuming they also evolved) countless lightyears away, how is it that they managed to develop the same or similar "design" as we did ?

Why not, the bipedal form is the most effective mode of transportation and still have hands to operate tools with. I do not think most accounts give 10 fingers but that is not important. What would you expect ET to look like?
As for distance, even to scientist are no longer saying that the distance is a factor, wormhole theory, warp theory (not star trek), none of which do you go faster then the speed of light you just travel farther then a light-year (I have a hard time explaining it, look it up on some of National Geographic website).

OP is in regular text, my response is in bold

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94% of the time people don't have pictures of the interior of the ship, they usually have pictures of dots in the sky

thats odd you would think that if 6% of people did have interior pictures that this would be easier (I know that number is made up if you use a statistic do not make one up).

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and a shirt stained with alien blood as you tried to fight the effects of the parallelizing ray in the spaceship someone on youtube will still say it is that it is made up and anyone can synthesize alien blood using gelatin, black food coloring, and human blood and no lab will certify the results because then, they think, they will be discredited and lose their jobs.

If a scientist had undeniable irrevocable proof, they would be praised, not discredited. If they were discredited, then they were most likely proven wrong

Tell that to Stanton Friedman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_Friedman
While he can still work as a UFO researcher I can almost guarantee that he could not work at most university (where he did not already have tenure).
Tell that to most labs that would see the substance know your researching UFOs and say they can not identify it but one of the lab monkeys mentions to you what they thought it was and now most of the sample is used up and you can not retest because the lab did not want to be involved. (Not happen to me but someone I spoke to)
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found this after I posted

There is this little thing called scientific method. As long as you follow it meticulously in your pursuit of knowledge no one should ever make fun of you.

Well, seeing as a professor of mine had to quite the university he had worked at because of all the ridicule he faced while trying to prove A-biogenisis theory, I'd call your statement bullshit.
It's not the method that makes fun of you, it's people. And people are dicks.

Not the same subject as UFOs but the point still stands. Thank you Lullabye

So what do you think, is it still worth the pursuit of knowledge even knowing that no one will believe you (at least for the foreseeable future)?

Sure if you like doing it, why not. Chances are we're not alone in the universe, go for it. But know that the chances are unbelievably slim of someone getting genuine proof.

I know but so little counts as proof.

 

[Lullabye]

There is this little thing called scientific method. As long as you follow it meticulously in your pursuit of knowledge no one should ever make fun of you.

Well, seeing as a professor of mine had to quite the university he had worked at because of all the ridicule he faced while trying to prove A-biogenisis theory, I'd call your statement bullshit.
It's not the method that makes fun of you, it's people. And people are dicks.

 

[Gilhelmi]

But I believe because I saw something that I can not explain. No I am not going into it here because I do not feel like being called a lier tonight.

You wouldn't be called a liar. You'd simply be told what I'm going to tell you.
Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean it can't be explained.

I'm like most people here I neither believe, disbelieve or care whether aliens have been visiting us.
To be honest your assumption that nobody would believe it even if there was undeniable proof, is pretty far out. How can you know how the world would react to undeniable proof when it has yet to have been provided?

Too many people have told me to 'shut up you are just being stupid', based on the reaction tonight I am not in the mood to say it here.

 

[twasdfzxcv]

There is this little thing called scientific method. As long as you follow it meticulously in your pursuit of knowledge no one should ever make fun of you.

Well, seeing as a professor of mine had to quite the university he had worked at because of all the ridicule he faced while trying to prove A-biogenisis theory, I'd call your statement bullshit.
It's not the method that makes fun of you, it's people. And people are dicks.

If you read carefully I said nobody "should" ever make fun of you. I'm not saying nobody "would", which is completely different.

 

[Oilerfan92]

Also, whenever people "describe" the "aliens". They always give them prodomitly human characteristics (eyeballs, 10 digit fingers, legs, general body structure (2 arms where we have them, 2 legs where we have them, a chest cavity), similar face design (eyes, ears, nose and mouth are in the same place as ours), etc).

We have evolved (assuming they also evolved) countless lightyears away, how is it that they managed to develop the same or similar "design" as we did ?

Why not, the bipedal form is the most effective mode of transportation and still have hands to operate tools with. I do not think most accounts give 10 fingers but that is not important. What would you expect ET to look like?
As for distance, even to scientist are no longer saying that the distance is a factor, wormhole theory, warp theory (not star trek), none of which do you go faster then the speed of light you just travel farther then a light-year (I have a hard time explaining it, look it up on some of National Geographic website).

Im just annoyed that it seems like people are constantly being abducted by the aliens i see everytime i go to a costume store.

 

[Lullabye]

There is this little thing called scientific method. As long as you follow it meticulously in your pursuit of knowledge no one should ever make fun of you.

Well, seeing as a professor of mine had to quite the university he had worked at because of all the ridicule he faced while trying to prove A-biogenisis theory, I'd call your statement bullshit.
It's not the method that makes fun of you, it's people. And people are dicks.

If you read carefully I said nobody "should" ever make fun of you. I'm not saying nobody "would", which is completely different.

Do you mean nobody "should" as in it's unlikely to happen, or as in they shouldn't because it's wrong?

 

[fletch_talon]

But I believe because I saw something that I can not explain. No I am not going into it here because I do not feel like being called a lier tonight.

You wouldn't be called a liar. You'd simply be told what I'm going to tell you.
Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean it can't be explained.

I'm like most people here I neither believe, disbelieve or care whether aliens have been visiting us.
To be honest your assumption that nobody would believe it even if there was undeniable proof, is pretty far out. How can you know how the world would react to undeniable proof when it has yet to have been provided?

Too many people have told me to 'shut up you are just being stupid', based on the reaction tonight I am not in the mood to say it here.

You've already claimed to have seen somethng that you "couldn't explain". You then went on about how you wouldn't kill them for fear of them being "followers of God".
Trust me, if someone was going to tell you to shut up and stop being stupid it would have happened by now. No harm can come from describing what you saw. Worst case scenario, a bunch of random nobodies on the internet don't believe you and laugh.

Actually the worst case scenario is that I'm an alien and want to see how much you know so I know whether to eradicate you or not... but lets keep that between us.

 

[Gilhelmi]

Also, whenever people "describe" the "aliens". They always give them prodomitly human characteristics (eyeballs, 10 digit fingers, legs, general body structure (2 arms where we have them, 2 legs where we have them, a chest cavity), similar face design (eyes, ears, nose and mouth are in the same place as ours), etc).

We have evolved (assuming they also evolved) countless lightyears away, how is it that they managed to develop the same or similar "design" as we did ?

Why not, the bipedal form is the most effective mode of transportation and still have hands to operate tools with. I do not think most accounts give 10 fingers but that is not important. What would you expect ET to look like?
As for distance, even to scientist are no longer saying that the distance is a factor, wormhole theory, warp theory (not star trek), none of which do you go faster then the speed of light you just travel farther then a light-year (I have a hard time explaining it, look it up on some of National Geographic website).

Im just annoyed that it seems like people are constantly being abducted by the aliens i see everytime i go to a costume store.

I do see your point. I wish that the 'gray alien' was not part of our popculture. It makes it difficult to distinguish between real abductions and nightmares.

 

[twasdfzxcv]

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Not going to argue if your believe is with or without merit (well maybe just a little bit), but to me it seems like you're more concern with the reaction you are going to face. If you wholeheartedly believe something to be true, you should stand firm behind it and defend the position to your death, no matter what reaction or ridicule you might face. And your opponents will meet your zealous equally with their believes. It is in these constant confrontations we as the human race advance our knowledge.

 

[crudus]

I would imagine it is to help rationalize their theory to show they are not crazy. Think of it like proving someone wrong. Besides, there is no real harm in paying attention to claims every once in a while. It is interesting to hear what they come up with (wrong or right).

Spoiler: And before anybody goes...

And tells me that I don't know what schizophrenia is really like; I do. I have an aunt with schizophrenia who will frequently mention seeing things such as long dead relatives and UFO's. Of course, by this point in her life she's accepted that these are all results of her disorder, but she still mentions them.

Just thought I'd say that. You'd be surprised at the amount of people who don't understand that schizophrenia can be that severe.

Um...that is severe schizophrenia. Visual hallucinations are the rarest form of hallucinations in schizophrenia. I am pretty sure you don't even need hallucinations to be schizophrenic either.

 

[twasdfzxcv]

There is this little thing called scientific method. As long as you follow it meticulously in your pursuit of knowledge no one should ever make fun of you.

Well, seeing as a professor of mine had to quite the university he had worked at because of all the ridicule he faced while trying to prove A-biogenisis theory, I'd call your statement bullshit.
It's not the method that makes fun of you, it's people. And people are dicks.

If you read carefully I said nobody "should" ever make fun of you. I'm not saying nobody "would", which is completely different.

Do you mean nobody "should" as in it's unlikely to happen, or as in they shouldn't because it's wrong?

the latter. sorry for the confusion. I didn't notice it until you pointed it out right now. I stand corrected.

 

[bloodshed113094]

Probably to either get fame and most likely give fake evidence, or too make themselves look more insane then they did before. I prefer the third option though of the aliens brainwashing them to make the do it and also make their explanation have many plot holes. =D

 

[Oilerfan92]

Also, whenever people "describe" the "aliens". They always give them prodomitly human characteristics (eyeballs, 10 digit fingers, legs, general body structure (2 arms where we have them, 2 legs where we have them, a chest cavity), similar face design (eyes, ears, nose and mouth are in the same place as ours), etc).

We have evolved (assuming they also evolved) countless lightyears away, how is it that they managed to develop the same or similar "design" as we did ?

Why not, the bipedal form is the most effective mode of transportation and still have hands to operate tools with. I do not think most accounts give 10 fingers but that is not important. What would you expect ET to look like?
As for distance, even to scientist are no longer saying that the distance is a factor, wormhole theory, warp theory (not star trek), none of which do you go faster then the speed of light you just travel farther then a light-year (I have a hard time explaining it, look it up on some of National Geographic website).

Im just annoyed that it seems like people are constantly being abducted by the aliens i see everytime i go to a costume store.

I do see your point. I wish that the 'gray alien' was not part of our popculture. It makes it difficult to distinguish between real abductions and nightmares.

Yea. Its stupid, i remember some big hoopla was made over a video a guy (who was of the rouge shadded neck variety) in his kitchen at night, and i kid you not, you saw what was obviously a alien costume hear appear in the window, "look around", then go back down. And somehow this guy got onto major news networks. I think one time they newstation brought him, his lawyer for some reason, and Bill F'ING Nye on. Bill ripped him appart and you could tell that he just wanted to call the guy a fing idiot.

Also, when i ment their physical forms, i ment that the aliens always seem to be like this:

http://drwill.com/wp-content/uploads/alien.png

You see it is essentially a human with altered proportions and forms. But everythings the same way.

Im thinking that aliens would be more like this

http://www.dreadcentral.com/img/news/aug07/Avp2Alien.jpg

Still a physical form, and it has the bi-pedal structure (although it usually uses 4 legs, my point is the same). Yet its obviously not similar to human, and shows an obvious difference in respect to the distance we have shared in our evolution.

 

[Lullabye]

There is this little thing called scientific method. As long as you follow it meticulously in your pursuit of knowledge no one should ever make fun of you.

Well, seeing as a professor of mine had to quite the university he had worked at because of all the ridicule he faced while trying to prove A-biogenisis theory, I'd call your statement bullshit.
It's not the method that makes fun of you, it's people. And people are dicks.

If you read carefully I said nobody "should" ever make fun of you. I'm not saying nobody "would", which is completely different.

Do you mean nobody "should" as in it's unlikely to happen, or as in they shouldn't because it's wrong?

the latter. sorry for the confusion. I didn't notice it until you pointed it out right now. I stand corrected.

Actually it's my fault. I should've just asked that simple question at first. Derp. Well, anyway, I agree. So long as proper procedures have been followed, then I see no reason why people, especially other scientists, should've degrade themselves to such childish levels by ridiculing others findings.

 

[Cody211282]

Because there haven't been any real proof yet, show me real proof and I'll start believing.

 

[crudus]

All I am saying is why should I go out and find evidence when people are just going to assume (without any proof) that my evidence is fake. I could videotape and perfectly document a UFO landing and have 10 people as eyewitnesses and everyone who is a hardcore skeptic will still say we were making it up in an elaborate hoax. I suspect I could have a downed UFO in my back yard and it would still be called a hoax even after it restarted its engines and took off. No one (who is not termed crazy) is willing to come forward because they believe they will be a social outcast if they do come and tell what they saw.

To quote a friend of mine "Ever notice miracles stopped happening when the video camera was invented? Then they started up again when digital editing was available?"

Ok, I will paint you a picture. The closest star(s) is 4.27 light years away which is roughly 2.5×10^13 miles(4×10^13 km, not that it matters). I will admit if life existed there it would head to Sol (the sun) first. However, the star(s) are only as old as our planet. If life existed on those planets then chances are slim they would be so much more advanced than us that they mastered interstellar travel. So, aliens visiting is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence. The initial probability of you doctoring photos, editing film, or staging it are highly more likely than aliens landing.

 

[manaman]

The problem is that the video you described doesn't exist, and if something similar does exist it's obviously fake. Problem with believers is that hey are willing to believe, even to the point they disregard obvious flaws in the stories and evidence.

When you have to find convoluted explanations filled with many ifs and thens you probably are on the defensive. You shouldn't have to explain away mountains of evidence to allow the few bright spots to shine.

Stop trying to imply everyone else has problem because they don't share your beliefs. You bring that alien blood stained shirt I am sure you would have more then one believer. Proof is what you need. In fact you don't really even need proof just back able leg to stand on. Think about the Martian meteorite. The one they thought contained alien bacteria. You can still find people who think that rock proved there was life on Mars.

 

[martin's a madman]

Well, I am without doubt that life on other planets exists, whether intelligent or not. I am doubtful however, that they visit humanity regularly, or at all.

One: They always seem to abduct uneducated people in poorer areas who are often extremely religious and the Aliens make some silly moral revelation to them.
I personally would ask them questions about physics, and space, and help us understand questions we have about the universe.

Also, where do they keep their stuff? As far as we know there aren't any suitable settled planets in our solar system; and faster than light travel is -as far as we know- impossible, so to visit regularly they'd have to have a semi permanent settlement within at most a few light years from the Solar system.

If they are aware of a relatively advanced species and they haven't either msde contact, or destroyed us, then we can assume they are in nature very different from ourselves.

Etc.

But, for your question, why should you care if people believe you? You know it, that would be enough for me.