they sunk the titanic too, didja hear?Darkside360 said:The whole 9/11 was an inside job. Hello? Osama admitted he did it. Its true that the fire didn't melt the steel beams, BUT it did heat them up to the point allowing them to bend and fracture from the weight they supported.
actually, i have a claim you cannot dispute at all: in a 2003 press conference, a NASA Public relations person (they don't like non-PR types talking to the media) admitted, and I quote, "we do not currently have the technology to send a spaceship safely to the moon and bring it back with its crew." so how could they have done it 30 years ago?Altorin said:the moon landing skeptics.
I'm a skeptical guy, I like to be shown evidence of things
but every single claim that the moonlanding conspiracy nuts claim can easily be refuted by science, experiments done by the MythBusters, and other independant labs have shown:
Shadows not being parrallel: "THERE WAS MORE THEN ONE LIGHT SOURCE TO MAKE THOSE SHADOWS!"
No, this is a trick of light when shining on objects that are at different distances from the light source and at different elevations relative to the light source.
Astronauts in the shadows being lit up: "IF THERE WAS ONE LIGHT, THEN HOW CAN WE SEE AN ASTRONAUT WHO'S IN THE SHADOW OF THE LANDER?!"
Light reflects off things.. it's a basic property of light that allows us to see. Sometimes, when the light is particularly bright (such as, during the daylight on the moon), the light will bounce several times before it reaches our eye. Light bounced off the luminous ground of the moon, onto the astronaut, into the camera.. It's the same reason that if you're under a beach umbrella you aren't cloaked in utter darkness.
The flag moving: "OMG!! DID YOU GUYS JUST SEE THAT? THE FLAG WAVED! ITS A VACUUM ON THE MOON! THERES NO WAY IT COULD WAVE!"
Yup, it is a vacuum on the moon, but did you know that air resistance is one of the main reasons why flags on earth in teh same situation would stop flapping? Without the air to slow the flag down, it can "wave" for 5-10x longer then it would on earth. Think of flapping one of those paper fans.. On earth, the harder you flap it, the harder it becomes to move.. that's air resistance.. if you did that in a vacuum, you wouldn't feel any pressure against your movement.
No pictures of the stars: "THEY'RE TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING - WE COULD TELL BY LOOKING AT THE STARS WHERE THEY WERE, SO THEY HID THEM!"
The astronauts didn't go to the moon to take pictures of the stars, they went to the moon to take pictures of the moon. Also, it was daylight when they were taking pictures - the reason the earth's sky is blue in daylight is due to water vapor in the air, and the huge amount of blue water in the oceans. The moon doesn't have either of those things.. just lifeless grey plains.. The daylight sky on the moon is black. The sun is still so bright that you can't see the stars, it's just as bright as on earth, but the sky is black. The cameras were set for daylight to get the best pictures of the moons surface, ergo, the stars didn't appear on the film.
Firm footprints: "WATER IS WHAT MAKES FOOTPRINTS DISTINCT ON EARTH! NO WATER ON THE MOON MEANS THE PICTURE OF THE FOOTPRINT MUST BE A FAKE!!"
Well, the dust on earth is different then the dust on the moon. Dust on the moon is jagged, Dust on earth is smooth. There is also a lot more gravity on the earth, pulling the dust down into a indistinct print. Those two factors (jagged dust keeping its shape easier then earth dust, and lower gravity) allow you to make distinct footprints in moon dust on the moon.
Low Gravity Walking: "THEY COULD HAVE EASILY DONE THAT WITH WIRES! I THINK I CAN SEE THEM EVEN!"
While you can get a jump that looks low-g by using wires, the resulting movement doesn't line up with the footage of the astronauts on the moon. Using planes, and going on a parabolic descent, you can experience low-g, similar to that on the moon, and that action look a lot more similar to the moon footage then using wires.
Our lack of return trips: "IF WE WENT 30 YEARS AGO, WHY DIDN'T WE GO BACK!?"
Well, we did, a couple times, but once we had beaten the russians to the moon, and we were deep in the middle of the cold war, there wasn't money, or real reason to go back to the moon. It was a really really expensive and dangerous proposition to go to the moon, and without any real reason to, it sort of faded away in light of better goals. However, we are having talks of going back to the moon recently, and maybe when our space shuttles get replaced, we'll go back. In the meantime, we have the ISS to work with in space.
edit: I say "Our" as the west.. I'm canadian, and we sort of piggy back on the US.. I mean the west when i say Our.
That wasn't a good joke, considering that good jokes at least have SOME basis in truth.dontworryaboutit said:The Bible.
I checked the "evidence" page, and they had a "come back when we have our act together" sign. Sigh.TaborMallory said:The Flat Earth Society. Yes, this is real.
I view The Bible as being a good story.lacktheknack said:That wasn't a good joke, considering that good jokes at least have SOME basis in truth.dontworryaboutit said:The Bible.
Anyway, here's a VERY BAD conspiracy: The Royal Family are actually a bunch of reptilian aliens from the planet Zog (I assume) and somehow expect to take over the planet someday.
All right then, you won't mind me being annoyed that you posted it on a conspiracy theory thread.dontworryaboutit said:I view The Bible as being a good story.lacktheknack said:That wasn't a good joke, considering that good jokes at least have SOME basis in truth.dontworryaboutit said:The Bible.
Anyway, here's a VERY BAD conspiracy: The Royal Family are actually a bunch of reptilian aliens from the planet Zog (I assume) and somehow expect to take over the planet someday.
Then please explain the retroreflector arrays that were left on the moon? Hell with a powerful enough laser pointer and a telescope you can point the laser on them and see it bounce back.bookboy said:actually, i have a claim you cannot dispute at all: in a 2003 press conference, a NASA Public relations person (they don't like non-PR types talking to the media) admitted, and I quote, "we do not currently have the technology to send a spaceship safely to the moon and bring it back with its crew." so how could they have done it 30 years ago?Altorin said:the moon landing skeptics.
I'm a skeptical guy, I like to be shown evidence of things
but every single claim that the moonlanding conspiracy nuts claim can easily be refuted by science, experiments done by the MythBusters, and other independant labs have shown:
Shadows not being parrallel: "THERE WAS MORE THEN ONE LIGHT SOURCE TO MAKE THOSE SHADOWS!"
No, this is a trick of light when shining on objects that are at different distances from the light source and at different elevations relative to the light source.
Astronauts in the shadows being lit up: "IF THERE WAS ONE LIGHT, THEN HOW CAN WE SEE AN ASTRONAUT WHO'S IN THE SHADOW OF THE LANDER?!"
Light reflects off things.. it's a basic property of light that allows us to see. Sometimes, when the light is particularly bright (such as, during the daylight on the moon), the light will bounce several times before it reaches our eye. Light bounced off the luminous ground of the moon, onto the astronaut, into the camera.. It's the same reason that if you're under a beach umbrella you aren't cloaked in utter darkness.
The flag moving: "OMG!! DID YOU GUYS JUST SEE THAT? THE FLAG WAVED! ITS A VACUUM ON THE MOON! THERES NO WAY IT COULD WAVE!"
Yup, it is a vacuum on the moon, but did you know that air resistance is one of the main reasons why flags on earth in teh same situation would stop flapping? Without the air to slow the flag down, it can "wave" for 5-10x longer then it would on earth. Think of flapping one of those paper fans.. On earth, the harder you flap it, the harder it becomes to move.. that's air resistance.. if you did that in a vacuum, you wouldn't feel any pressure against your movement.
No pictures of the stars: "THEY'RE TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING - WE COULD TELL BY LOOKING AT THE STARS WHERE THEY WERE, SO THEY HID THEM!"
The astronauts didn't go to the moon to take pictures of the stars, they went to the moon to take pictures of the moon. Also, it was daylight when they were taking pictures - the reason the earth's sky is blue in daylight is due to water vapor in the air, and the huge amount of blue water in the oceans. The moon doesn't have either of those things.. just lifeless grey plains.. The daylight sky on the moon is black. The sun is still so bright that you can't see the stars, it's just as bright as on earth, but the sky is black. The cameras were set for daylight to get the best pictures of the moons surface, ergo, the stars didn't appear on the film.
Firm footprints: "WATER IS WHAT MAKES FOOTPRINTS DISTINCT ON EARTH! NO WATER ON THE MOON MEANS THE PICTURE OF THE FOOTPRINT MUST BE A FAKE!!"
Well, the dust on earth is different then the dust on the moon. Dust on the moon is jagged, Dust on earth is smooth. There is also a lot more gravity on the earth, pulling the dust down into a indistinct print. Those two factors (jagged dust keeping its shape easier then earth dust, and lower gravity) allow you to make distinct footprints in moon dust on the moon.
Low Gravity Walking: "THEY COULD HAVE EASILY DONE THAT WITH WIRES! I THINK I CAN SEE THEM EVEN!"
While you can get a jump that looks low-g by using wires, the resulting movement doesn't line up with the footage of the astronauts on the moon. Using planes, and going on a parabolic descent, you can experience low-g, similar to that on the moon, and that action look a lot more similar to the moon footage then using wires.
Our lack of return trips: "IF WE WENT 30 YEARS AGO, WHY DIDN'T WE GO BACK!?"
Well, we did, a couple times, but once we had beaten the russians to the moon, and we were deep in the middle of the cold war, there wasn't money, or real reason to go back to the moon. It was a really really expensive and dangerous proposition to go to the moon, and without any real reason to, it sort of faded away in light of better goals. However, we are having talks of going back to the moon recently, and maybe when our space shuttles get replaced, we'll go back. In the meantime, we have the ISS to work with in space.
edit: I say "Our" as the west.. I'm canadian, and we sort of piggy back on the US.. I mean the west when i say Our.
also, a reporter asked Buzz Aldrin to swear on a Bible that he had really gone to the moon, Buzz pucnhed him in the face instead. while I accept the possibility that buzz may not have been religious, couldn't he have simply suggested something else to swear upon, rather than knocking some teeth?
Are the lakes themselves the conspiracy or how they are formed?Ula said:Oxbow lakes. I didn't make this one up. Apparently it's a conspiracy between geography teachers everywhere.
I don't mind, although I am sorry for annoying you.lacktheknack said:All right then, you won't mind me being annoyed that you posted it on a conspiracy theory thread.dontworryaboutit said:I view The Bible as being a good story.lacktheknack said:That wasn't a good joke, considering that good jokes at least have SOME basis in truth.dontworryaboutit said:The Bible.
Anyway, here's a VERY BAD conspiracy: The Royal Family are actually a bunch of reptilian aliens from the planet Zog (I assume) and somehow expect to take over the planet someday.