What is "True Evil"

[Indeterminacy]

Actually murder can be justifiable in that the removal of a certain person from society would improve it. Killing a serial killer, serial rapist, terrorist before he can pull the trigger etc.

Rape can't be justified in any way as there is no situation in which rape can help someone, or better society.

Hypothetical scenario:

Women collectively decide they've had enough. Childbearing is denied by collective decision. The human race ends in 60 years unless men decide to acquiesce to their demands.

Plausible (though I would personally disagree with it) justification - the human race must continue.

 

[Mr.Numbers]

Ok, now this took me a few days to do so sorry for the necro post but:

I will now quote each poster in order who stated that there is no such thing as actual evil and that it's just a mindset people use.

I will quote each person, (Snipped) and then, in reverse chronological order and in increasing obscurity, list a truly evil person and the movie they starred in (Time based on date of movie).

All of these people are nonfictional.

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Zodiac, 2007.
Person: The Zodiac Killer, murdering

MAJOR snip

Also 2007, Albert Fish ( Played by Oto Brezina)
Person: Albert Fish

Snip

The hunt for the BTK killer, 2005
Person: Dennis Radar

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Read the Silence Of The Lambs one for you, but I have to do this chronologically after all

A 2005 vintage classic, one of my favourites, wolf creek. It was based off two awful people so I shall give it to two people.

People: Bradley Murdoch and Ivan Robert Marko Milat

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HH Holmes, America's first Serial killer.

Person: HH Holmes.

snip

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The Hillside Strangler, 2004

People: The Hillside Stranglers
Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianci

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Monster, 2003
Person: Aileen Wuornos

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Dahmer, 2002
Person: Jeffrey Dahmer

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Also 2002, Ted Bundy.
Person: Ted Bundy (Played by Michael Reilly Burke)

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Summer of Sam 1999
Person: Son of Sam, David Berkowhitz.

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Killer: A journal of a murder
Person: Carl Panzram

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Citzen X, 1995
Person: Andrea Chikatilo ( He savagely murdered 52 young victoms (Mostly under 16), always gouging out the still alive victoms eyes, usually biting the nipples off.

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To Catch a Killer, 1992
Person: John Wayne Gacy. Pure unbridled evil. Makes Pennywise the Clown go: Damn tone it down a little please.

Snip

The Silence of The Lambs, 1991
Person: Gary Heidnik (The most evil person on this list)

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Henry: Portrait of a serial killer
Person: Henry Lee Lucas, who murdered for fun, buying a boat and feeding the entire crew to crocodiles live was one of his many practical jokes.

Radical difference in moral opinion.

Manhunter, 1986
Person: Dennis Radar, the BTK killer (Again)

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Murder by Decree, 1979
Person: Jack the ripper (Killing, disembowling and eating and simultaneously raping the intestinal tract)

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Eaten Alive, 1977
Person: Joe Ball

Subjective

Frenzy, 1972
Person: Jack the Stripper

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The Honeymoon Killers, 1970
People: martha Black and Raymond Fernandez

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The Boston Strangler, 1968
Person: Albert DeSalvo

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Psycho, 1960
Person: Ed Gein (When the police arrested him he had 9 decomposing vulva in a shoebox under his bed, a belt made of nipples and a lampshade made out of a womans face)

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The Flesh and The Fiends, 1959
People: Burke And Hare: The body Snatchers, who would kill people and sell their bodies as medical research cadavers despite owning a successful hotel.

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Monsieur Verdoux, 1947
Person: The Modern Bluebeard, Henri Landrou

And now for the last, and in a way first, two movies to finish off this meeting of the pure unbridled evil.

Shadow of A Doubt, 1943
Person: Earle Leonard Nelson

M, 1931
Person: The Dusseldorf Vampire

I'm not just MrNumbers, I'm MrByTheNumbers, and I hope you enjoyed losing all faith in humanity looking into the biography of the person I put you with. Thank you very much, but there is true evil in the world.

 

[Twilight_guy]

An abstract idea that exist as the antithesis of a society's notion of "true good." If we have concepts of what makes a man "good" then by extension something must make him "bad" or less "good." Humans need to categorize and label so notions of "good" and "proper" always evolve and thus notions of "bad" and "improper" exist as their opposite. Humans are programmed in such a way that when society forms the notions of good and bad follow and so too evil and true evil. If you want something more then that you need to talk to an anthropologist or a religious leader.

 

[Wuggy]

Snip

You are:

1) A genius.
2) A person with too much time on their hands.
3) Still wrong.

 

[Mr.Numbers]

An abstract idea that exist as the antithesis of a society's notion of "true good." If we have concepts of what makes a man "good" then by extension something must make him "bad" or less "good." Humans need to categorize and label so notions of "good" and "proper" always evolve and thus notions of "bad" and "improper" exist as their opposite. Humans are programmed in such a way that when society forms the notions of good and bad follow and so too evil and true evil. If you want something more then that you need to talk to an anthropologist or a religious leader.

Hey look, I do still have 2 spaces at the bottom of my list, want to be added?

Snip

You are:

1) A genius.
2) A person with too much time on their hands.
3) Still wrong.

Gary Heidnik: http://www.newcriminologist.com/article.asp?cid=107&nid=10

For fun, Gary kidnapped nearly a dozen women and superglued them into shackles, locking them in his cellar. After daily rapings and beatings no longer sufficed, he flooded a part of the basement and filled it with faulty wiring, so he could get off on the electrocution of his victims, until one of them died. When one of his victims died he would grind them up into a food processor and serve them as the only meal to the remaining victims.

When fearing they were conspiring an escape, he used wooden skewers (Like for chicken kebabs) to impale the eardrums of all but one of his victims.

All they would have daily is dogfood (And a few times one of their fellow victims) and rape, day in, day out, for years.

Gary Heidnik did all of this for fun.

Tell me how this man is not evil.

 

[Atticus89]

True evil is doing an evil act and feeling nothing from it. No joy, no guilt, no sorrow, no remorse. The act is done solely to be done and for no reason other than its execution.

What is deemed as evil is another kettle of fish.

 

[Twilight_guy]

An abstract idea that exist as the antithesis of a society's notion of "true good." If we have concepts of what makes a man "good" then by extension something must make him "bad" or less "good." Humans need to categorize and label so notions of "good" and "proper" always evolve and thus notions of "bad" and "improper" exist as their opposite. Humans are programmed in such a way that when society forms the notions of good and bad follow and so too evil and true evil. If you want something more then that you need to talk to an anthropologist or a religious leader.

Hey look, I do still have 2 spaces at the bottom of my list, want to be added?

That silly list you have above of snipped quotes and arbitrary history figures? Whatever makes you happy. I didn't make this post to argue with you, I made it to state something about the world that I it has taken me 21 years to fully come up with and I honestly hold as one of the core notions of how I understand the world. It's as close as I'm ever going to come to the anthropological interpretation and I think that is the right interpretation. What you choose to do now is your choice. I'll take the red pill and you take the blue pill.

 

[Cazza]

When a person doesn't care at all how there actions impact others

 

[Wuggy]

Tell me how this man is not evil.

By my standards, he is evil. But my standards are essentially irrelevant. Morality is a human construction and thus there is no objective way to determine neither good or evil. That is my point.

 

[Julianking93]

When a person doesn't care at all how there actions impact others

Pretty much.
Evil is subjective depending on who you talk to and what culture they are part of.
However, one thing is always the same; when you do things simply for your benefit. Without any remorse for your actions and without any sort of guilt or good conscience, then that is evil.
It can vary, of course. From a serial killer who really doesn't care about their actions to a sociopath who likes to fuck with people and destroy relationships because... they just enjoy it, it's all a brand of evil.
Different degrees of evil, yes but still evil with no form of regret.

 

[T5seconds]

Im going to sound like a bad guy here. Since I love hate mail so much though I will go with it.
The most basic example of morality I give is this. You are the leader of a rising nation, a nation that has faltered in a past war. You served in this war. You saw your freinds die, you saw your nation burn. You are now at the helm of this nation. Their leader, you are convinced that a certain group of people is stopping you from rebuilding, would you not stop them? This may be a pathetic justification for what Hitler did, yet it after running a little test on my freinds. Most would do what he did. In no way was he right. Yet its easy to see what he was doing when you look at it from a diffrent view. I call this Extreme Rationalizing, there are many terms that are directly connected. Power Corrupts, absoulte power corrupts absouluty is one. Lots of people think that swift action keeps power in check, yet the people of the lower class will almost always see this as tyrany, in which in normal is.

 

[Drakmorg]

For me, Evil is like pornography.

I can't really describe it, but I know it when I see it.

 

[mad825]

Opposing mankind?

That's the only logical suggestion I can come-up without applying any kind of social moral.

 

[The Becker]

Call me crazy but i feel "Good" and "Evil" are relative

 

[Saippua]

Evil is bullshit term. Nobody is truly evil. Every historiacally "evil" person" just worked for their own interest without caring about others, had good intentions or was mentally ill. Nobody does evil for sake of evil.

 

[MrMixelPixel]

Evil is the lack of good!

What is good you ask?

Good is the lack of evil!

Hope I helped shed some light on the situation.

 

[Post Tenebrae Morte]

Evil is merely a label slapped onto events/acts that an individual or a society deems "wrong" and/or reprehensible. Our meager attempts at trying to dictate how the universe goes, is quite silly to be honest. Sorta like our whole time arrangement, but I digress on that. What may seem "Evil" to one, may seem normal to another. That, or it could simply be one embracing apathy and/or showing a general lack of caring about social stigmas, taboos, etc; along with doing what one merely wishes to do, regardless if it hurts another or not.

~Efrit

 

[Russian_Assassin]

Long Post

It appears you are confusing Evil with Insane. Evil was not a driving force in the situations you mentioned. Only their outcome is perceived as evil. No sane person derives pleasure from torturing other human beings to death. I'm sorry, but at least to me your argument seemed invalid.