What is wrong with the internet?

[IamQ]

I wouldn't go as far as to say he almost killed him. It has been made clear that the kid got away with only a slightly banged up knee.
But he is celebrated as a underdog hero, who stood up against his bully. And most people who ahve been bullied wish they could have done that.

He did almost kill the kid tho, had the little shit had his head a little further back he would have landed square on his head fucking up is neck and spine if not killing him putting him in a wheel chair. He was right to fight back, but I think just a putting him out with a punch in the head would have sufficed.

In a situation like that, when he just snapped and fought back, do you really think he thought of the best way to hurt the kid then? Things like that happend in the moment. It's easy to be wise afterwards, but in the moment, you just go with what works for the moment.

 

[Nouw]

Telling a teacher is the right thing to do, giving him a knuckle sandwich is the faster and (temporary) fix. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Said like someone who's never been bullied, telling a teacher solves exactly NOTHING, Bullies are cowards and as long as they have nothing to fear but a possible scolding they are gonna keep bullying, giving them a knuckle-sandwich is the permanent solution. Now that the bully knows that there may be immediate physical reprisal he will move on to another weak kid, someone who probably can't defend himself or has been told that he shouldn't by people like you, and so he'll bear that the rest of his school years.

Telling the teacher is almost always completely ineffectual, and telling kids that they shouldn't fight back is the biggest thing there has been done to damage the victims of bullying since bullying became a major problem.

I have been bullied and the problem solved itself. I didn't make any physical contact, didn't tell a teacher (should have) but it was a done and dusted deal.

Violence isn't a solution, get over it.
[sub]I'm not a fucking hippy or a pacifist either[/sub]

Well ain't that fucking fortunate? Unfortunately not all problems magically solve them selves. I was bullied all through middle and high-school, and you think i didn't tell a teacher? do you think i didn't tell my parents? Of course i fucking did, but did anything happen? Fuck no! And i was always told, "If someone bullies you just go tell a teacher and they'll sort things out", but did they? NO! And I've seen my story echoed a billion times.

If someone inflicts physical harm on you, then you are entitled to inflict physical pain on them, and it's often the best and sometimes the only solution.

i am very happy that your problems solved them selves, but not everyone is that lucky, Violence IS a solution, get over it.

I have to apologize for creating that false image I set that 'all problems fix themselves,' it was merely an insight into how bullying affected my life. I agree that self-defence is obligatory and sometimes needed however doing physical harm to the bully isn't always the answer.

 

[Blue_vision]

Most have you have probaly heard / read the story of Casey the kid who got bullied and pile drove the bully into a sidewalk. There is a thread about it on this site, but on that thread and throughout the entire internet people are congratulating Casey
Casey nearly killed another child in a fit of rage, this is not a good thing! The bully wasnt right at all and should be punished but what about Casey? What is next time he goes into a rage fit he pile drives or pushes a kid and accidently kills them like he almost did already?

Thank you!!!

I'm guessing that it has something to do with the fact that half the people on the internet have been acutely bullied in the past, so stories like this are things they wish they'd done. Doesn't make it right. In fact, makes it even less right. There is nothing noble in wailing on another person, whatever they did. And neither is it cool to lose your cool. This kid definitely shouldn't be congratulated for what he did. Maybe felt sorry for his situation, and maybe causing us to take a step back and look at bullying as a widespread issue, but certainly not congradulated.

 

[ThatDaveDude1]

Most have you have probaly heard / read the story of Casey the kid who got bullied and pile drove the bully into a sidewalk. There is a thread about it on this site, but on that thread and throughout the entire internet people are congratulating Casey
Casey nearly killed another child in a fit of rage, this is not a good thing! The bully wasnt right at all and should be punished but what about Casey? What is next time he goes into a rage fit he pile drives or pushes a kid and accidently kills them like he almost did already?

Self Defence, how the fuck does that work?

 

[Alleged_Alec]

I'm guessing that it has something to do with the fact that half the people on the internet have been acutely bullied in the past, so stories like this are things they wish they'd done.

True.

Doesn't make it right. In fact, makes it even less right.

Wait, what?

There is nothing noble in wailing on another person, whatever they did. And neither is it cool to lose your cool.

Pacifism doesn't work against most bullies, I can tell you that. Also: HE WAS BEING HIT. He had the right to defend himself.

This kid definitely shouldn't be congratulated for what he did. Maybe felt sorry for his situation, and maybe causing us to take a step back and look at bullying as a widespread issue, but certainly not congradulated.

Yes, he should be congratulated. He stood up to a group of bullies. That is always worth congratulating, no matter the way in which it is done. What should he have done? Let the bullying continue for another X years?

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Yes, it was bad of the kid to respond that way.

It was worse of the school to punish him without having done anything to stop shit like this in the first place.

What he said.
I only condone what Casey did if, and only if, other methods of dealing with it have been tried and failed. Otherwise, that'll learn 'em.

 

[Shirokurou]

What is wrong with the internet?
Personally you!

 

[InfiniteSingularity]

Most have you have probaly heard / read the story of Casey the kid who got bullied and pile drove the bully into a sidewalk. There is a thread about it on this site, but on that thread and throughout the entire internet people are congratulating Casey
Casey nearly killed another child in a fit of rage, this is not a good thing! The bully wasnt right at all and should be punished but what about Casey? What is next time he goes into a rage fit he pile drives or pushes a kid and accidently kills them like he almost did already?

When was the last time you've seen that work? If someone's been bullied for a long time there's nothing authorities can do that will stop them, it just doesn't work, and trust me and a lot of people on this site on this one. The only way to get him to stop is to retaliate, so as to instil fear in the bully so he doesn't try shit again. No one will try picking on a kid who's prepared to throw you to the ground.

I know of a kid in the town i used to live in, he went to a low grade public school and was bullied severely for years. After a long time of violent bullying the bully challenged him to a fight at school; the victim had had enough and stabbed the bully with a kitchen knife six times. I don't approve of stabbing or any kind of violence, but I believe it is necessary in a situation like this. If someone decides to pick on the weaker kid, they're sort of asking for it. That's just how it is. If you can give some, you can take some. And no one's gonna try anything with someone who'll hospitalise you if you do - problem solved

I'm guessing that it has something to do with the fact that half the people on the internet have been acutely bullied in the past, so stories like this are things they wish they'd done.

True.

Doesn't make it right. In fact, makes it even less right.

Wait, what?

There is nothing noble in wailing on another person, whatever they did. And neither is it cool to lose your cool.

Pacifism doesn't work against most bullies, I can tell you that. Also: HE WAS BEING HIT. He had the right to defend himself.

This kid definitely shouldn't be congratulated for what he did. Maybe felt sorry for his situation, and maybe causing us to take a step back and look at bullying as a widespread issue, but certainly not congradulated.

Yes, he should be congratulated. He stood up to a group of bullies. That is always worth congratulating, no matter the way in which it is done. What should he have done? Let the bullying continue for another X years?

Yes, it was bad of the kid to respond that way.

It was worse of the school to punish him without having done anything to stop shit like this in the first place.

What he said.
I only condone what Casey did if, and only if, other methods of dealing with it have been tried and failed. Otherwise, that'll learn 'em.

As I have said, not much can be done about bullies - they won't stop if authorities come in. They just wont; they'll still jeer and pick on someone no matter how many detentions or suspensions they've had at the school - that sort of stuff just doesn't work on them. The only thing that does work is pain - and a good dose of it too, because they're stuck in a primal mindset, so if you hurt them, it will put them in their place. And if you're trying to take the "moral high ground" by saying "If you hit back you're just as bad", then seriously, give up now. We're not talking about morality, we're talking about what works. And trying to act like you're better doesn't work, you have to stoop down to their level and show that you're not afraid, and you're not gonna take that shit.

Another thing i'd like to point out is that Casey didn't go any further - sure, he slammed the guy to the ground, but that's it. He didn't kick him in the face repeatedly when he was down, and he could have, he could have caused even more severe damage. But he didn't, he had made his point, and walked away, he didn't need to knock the kid unconscious, and he knew that, he didn't do any more than was necessary. So in that regard, he's being respectful; just making his point, without going overboard. And that's another admirable quality

 

[Blue_vision]

Doesn't make it right. In fact, makes it even less right.

Wait, what?

If we've got tonnes of people congratulating this kid for bringing another kid to near-death, what kind of reinforcement does that create? For the kid and society in general?

There is nothing noble in wailing on another person, whatever they did. And neither is it cool to lose your cool.

Pacifism doesn't work against most bullies, I can tell you that. Also: HE WAS BEING HIT. He had the right to defend himself.

So we're going to tell this kid that instead of going to authorities or taking constructive measures to confront his bullying problem, he should wail on the people he figures is responsible? What if we expected that behaviour from adults? Not only is it completely unacceptable for adults to do now, but having adults doing that could lead to much worse crimes.
And if he was being hit, perhaps he could just punch the bully out, or seek help from peers or adults? And did this even solve any problems? Is the kid now a totally normal person in society? I'd think not. Either he gets feared by his peers for having a short temper or otherwise coming to fists, or he has to come to terms with what he did, which was a serious assault on another person.

This kid definitely shouldn't be congratulated for what he did. Maybe felt sorry for his situation, and maybe causing us to take a step back and look at bullying as a widespread issue, but certainly not congradulated.

Yes, he should be congratulated. He stood up to a group of bullies. That is always worth congratulating, no matter the way in which it is done. What should he have done? Let the bullying continue for another X years?

As said above. There is nothing responsible in losing your temper and beating on a kid, no matter how much you figure they deserved it. You want a respectable solution? Tell your parents, contact the kid's parents or get another adult to mediate the conflict.

 

[Roofstone]

I think it is less about the wrestling moves and more about the fact that he stood up to the bully.

That is quite hard to do, took me almost ten years to stand up to people who had bullied me. Sadly, I as Casey perhaps did, went overboard, I wont go into detail. Let it suffice that I had to pay quite a few thousand.

But look at it like this; He didnt go overboard. He took the bully down, then left. Most people probally would've started kicking and hitting on him while he was down. I admitt it might've been partly cause other people was around, but he left it at that.

He walked away, that takes restraint when you are angry enough, or a big enough of a bully.

So I give him kudos, not for taking out the bully, but for leaving it at that, taking him out.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

@ the O.P.: I think alot of people have the few that while they don't condone resorting to violence good on this kids for standing up for himself. You would rather he just stood there while that brat punches him? Btw the bully will still not apologise for assaulting Casey. He was also gettign his friend to film it obviously intending to put Casey's humilation on the internet. Your view would be like complaining about a women who was being raped accidently killing her rapist while she was defending herself?

Assault is a crime and Casey was justified in defending himself. He is not that much taller than the bully in fact just alot chubbier.

 

[Alleged_Alec]

Doesn't make it right. In fact, makes it even less right.

Wait, what?

If we've got tonnes of people congratulating this kid for bringing another kid to near-death, what kind of reinforcement does that create? For the kid and society in general?

Firstly: the kid wasn't brought 'near-death'. Secondly: I'd agree with you that violence is in most of the cases not a good option. They congratulate him for standing up to those who psychologically tortured him and physically abused him.

There is nothing noble in wailing on another person, whatever they did. And neither is it cool to lose your cool.

Pacifism doesn't work against most bullies, I can tell you that. Also: HE WAS BEING HIT. He had the right to defend himself.

So we're going to tell this kid that instead of going to authorities or taking constructive measures to confront his bullying problem, he should wail on the people he figures is responsible? What if we expected that behaviour from adults? Not only is it completely unacceptable for adults to do now, but having adults doing that could lead to much worse crimes.

Authorities and parents do little to nothing in these cases, if they do not make it worse. I'd wager he'd already done so before, in fact. The teachers however, will respond with some stern words in most cases, nothing more. This will not stop the bullies. In fact: they'll bully even harder because of it.
And adults are not children, and think and respond on different levels. It's easy to tell an adult not to do something and explain why. Children, however, will not often respond to such rhetoric.

And if he was being hit, perhaps he could just punch the bully out

Which is what he did, albeit in a slight more epic and flashy way.

, or seek help from peers or adults?

Which, as I mention rarely helps. Especially not when there's more than one of them to stop you from doing so.

And did this even solve any problems? Is the kid now a totally normal person in society? I'd think not. Either he gets feared by his peers for having a short temper or otherwise coming to fists, or he has to come to terms with what he did, which was a serious assault on another person.

People will stop bullying him, at least for a while. That alone is worth it. And again: where do you get the idea that he has a short fuse? Not only was he bullied by this brat for years, but he let himself be punched at least three times in that video, and after incapacitating the bully, he did not proceed to wail on him any further. That shows not that this kid has a short temper, but the opposite: this man has great patience and amazing self-control.

This kid definitely shouldn't be congratulated for what he did. Maybe felt sorry for his situation, and maybe causing us to take a step back and look at bullying as a widespread issue, but certainly not congradulated.

Yes, he should be congratulated. He stood up to a group of bullies. That is always worth congratulating, no matter the way in which it is done. What should he have done? Let the bullying continue for another X years?

As said above. There is nothing responsible in losing your temper and beating on a kid, no matter how much you figure they deserved it. You want a respectable solution? Tell your parents, contact the kid's parents or get another adult to mediate the conflict.

As I have mentioned: telling rarely solves anything. Your own parents will not be taken seriously because they're not objective, the bully's parents will not believe their child would do such a thing and most other parents would be too soft on the bully or do nothing at all.

 

[InfiniteSingularity]

Doesn't make it right. In fact, makes it even less right.

Wait, what?

If we've got tonnes of people congratulating this kid for bringing another kid to near-death, what kind of reinforcement does that create? For the kid and society in general?

There is nothing noble in wailing on another person, whatever they did. And neither is it cool to lose your cool.

Pacifism doesn't work against most bullies, I can tell you that. Also: HE WAS BEING HIT. He had the right to defend himself.

So we're going to tell this kid that instead of going to authorities or taking constructive measures to confront his bullying problem, he should wail on the people he figures is responsible? What if we expected that behaviour from adults? Not only is it completely unacceptable for adults to do now, but having adults doing that could lead to much worse crimes.
And if he was being hit, perhaps he could just punch the bully out, or seek help from peers or adults? And did this even solve any problems? Is the kid now a totally normal person in society? I'd think not. Either he gets feared by his peers for having a short temper or otherwise coming to fists, or he has to come to terms with what he did, which was a serious assault on another person.

This kid definitely shouldn't be congratulated for what he did. Maybe felt sorry for his situation, and maybe causing us to take a step back and look at bullying as a widespread issue, but certainly not congradulated.

Yes, he should be congratulated. He stood up to a group of bullies. That is always worth congratulating, no matter the way in which it is done. What should he have done? Let the bullying continue for another X years?

As said above. There is nothing responsible in losing your temper and beating on a kid, no matter how much you figure they deserved it. You want a respectable solution? Tell your parents, contact the kid's parents or get another adult to mediate the conflict.

Fuck.

That shit doesn't work, man - it just doesn't. There's no way around it, okay? Get your head around it. If a bully is bullying someone, they're not going to stop because they're given a few detentions, or suspended from school, okay? They just won't, because more often than not the bully is the sort of person who doesn't care about that stuff. I would love to see you try that, I was bullied heaps in primary school, we used to tell the teachers and other schools staff, they tried, it did shit all. So don't act all high-and-mighty by saying "violence is never the answer, we should deal with our problems respectably through the proper procedures", that's all bullshit. It just doesn't work.

I don't appreciate you acting like you're better than everyone else because you're "more moral" because you don't believe in violence. And yes, you are acting like that. We're talking about what actually works, and what is effective, not about trying to keep an arbitrary "moral high ground" which only makes things worse. You HAVE to play by their rules, and if you don't, you lose. Simple as that. Understand that this is how school works before you act like you have the solution. It has been tried and failed over so many years.

 

[Baradiel]

I can't stand bullies. I was bullied a bit as a kid, not too much, but it was horrible. I see the same things every day.

I applaud Casey. He is brilliant.

That kid was a piece of work, and I honestly wouldn't have cared if he'd been paralysed or killed. If that makes me a terrible person, fine. The world is overpopulated, people die all the time. Good people die all the time (Good and bad simply being perspectives, but whatever)

There are plenty of kids like that bully in the lower years of my school. Thankfully, I rarely have to witness them (Sixth Form block, ftw) but if I saw some little scrote picking on someone I'd step in. They have NO respect, not even for people twice their height (I swear I could stand on some of them)

Rock on Casey!

 

[OldRat]

I won't be going into any ethics or morality. I won't be imagining for a second I know the right answer to bullying and/or any other difficult problems. But I will say this: when I saw that video, that "brutal supplex" as Tycho Brahe of Penny Arcade called it, I could think of only one thing. And that thing was "FUCK YES." Literally, those words flashed before my eyes.

I don't know, and don't rightly care what that tells about me. I'm not defending it or condemning it. But there, in that moment of pure revenge, I saw what I, and undoubtedly many others, hoped to do so many times.
For good or worse, the only thing I could think of was "FUCK YES." For it was that kind of a moment.

 

[Wilko316]

I don't think there's one time I've ever properly been bullied (just random pickings, you know, lower years in High School and stuff that's just funny now).
But damn, that for me was just funny to watch, the little **** in the video got what was coming to him.

 

[4173]

Perhaps this first the first incident and Casey majorly overreacted.
Perhaps fighting back prevented suicide or a school shooting.

Shouldn't the victim of the bullying get the benefit of the doubt, not the bully?

 

[x EvilErmine x]

I say go Casey...whoever the hell you are (i have not seen or heard of this before today).

I was bullied a little as a kid my self so i kinda know what it's like, of course what you SHOULD do is to tell someone in authority (teacher, boss, etc..) if you are being bullied and to try an just ignore it and get on with your life.
However what i did was to find out who the ringleader was (There is usually just one person who tends to be the instigator and everyone else just follows) then i found him one brake time and proceeded to beat the shit out of him. Of course all of his 'friends' then proceeded to jump on me (managed to take out two of them before being KO'd by a punch to the back of the head). Everything hurt for a few days but lo an behold did he ever say anything to me again?...Nope.