The audience "liked" it because they got what they expected. They didn't expect Oscar material, they just expected that the movie be on par with movies in general these days. Most audience members would only say they didn't like it if it had been bad, not from a technical or critical standpoint, but based on boredom.
What is wrong with the movie industry?
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well no not exactally, I had an article but I couldnt find it on short notice (late night)clipse15 said:
anyway point is somtimes the process of putting an Idea to screen isnt quite the same as most people would assume (especially for block busters)
I will say that critics are there for a reason more or lessKrabbiPatty said:
theres nothing wrong with enjoying a film just for fun thats half the point of it all really
however I will say some people are smarter than others, and some films are better than others, I think thease are..well just facts (more or less) there are standards in everything, and dissmissing such standards I dont agree with
I mean as an adult I see things more critically and if I see a film that gets a high rating then I think "well that might be worth seeing" because theres fun films, and then theres films that blow you away
now there are times when yeah I know I probably wouldnt like the artsy/indy film the critic is praising, that comes down to personal taste, because obviously alot of people love indie/artsy films, but I know more or less what I like
do I think movies are in for DOOM? no I will admit even I see the trend of seaquels and remakes but there will always be somthing to watch,and if not the DVD store is just half an hour away
I mean you dont like critics? fine more power to you, but some of us like them, not only for the information but just the fun of having a movie put under the microscope
and as an after thourght, mabye its not about how smart you are, but more how much you know about films in general,
I only used art for lack of a better word, my point is that people will enjoy what they want to, because film is almost always for the purpose of entertainment, if the film entertains you, it was a success so yes, it does depend on your POV.Grinderbilly said:
Personally, it left me stone cold. But since I don't see the appeal of (or the humour in) getting so absolutely rat-faced hammered that you can't see straight for a week, I guess it's no surprise that the movie didn't appeal.
Some people think it's funny to lose control of your actions, make a nuisance of yourself and harass the people around you. I find those sorts of actions either extraordinarily immature, or somewhat mentally limited.
It's a lowest common denominator movie for a lowest common denominator audience. It's not rocket science why it was popular.
But Hollywood goes for the money, and the lowest common denominator is where it's at. You can't blame them for that, any more than you can blame games companies for increasing their console support. That's where the money is.
Some people think it's funny to lose control of your actions, make a nuisance of yourself and harass the people around you. I find those sorts of actions either extraordinarily immature, or somewhat mentally limited.
It's a lowest common denominator movie for a lowest common denominator audience. It's not rocket science why it was popular.
But Hollywood goes for the money, and the lowest common denominator is where it's at. You can't blame them for that, any more than you can blame games companies for increasing their console support. That's where the money is.
Its a pretty simple answer actually...
Most critics are art majors, intellectuals, etc. and take their job and movies seriously. They see almost ever movie that comes out, and demand new and better.
The average movie goer is an idiot, anti-intellectual, etc. and just want (to quote Yahtzee) "popcorn", something that's quick, enjoyable, and with little redeeming value. They don't see as many movies, so they don't need new things; they actually preffer the old (see The Expendable, Fast and the Furious, Pirates of the Caribean).
The average movie goer is an idiot, anti-intellectual, etc. and just want (to quote Yahtzee) "popcorn", something that's quick, enjoyable, and with little redeeming value. They don't see as many movies, so they don't need new things; they actually preffer the old (see The Expendable, Fast and the Furious, Pirates of the Caribean).
The movies that gross the most appeal to the masses. The truly great movies probably don't make as much money but reap the benefits of making a great impact on society. Great movies appeal to the minority of society, the intellects mostly, while the masses just don't quite get it. Unfortunately, most director's would rather earn money rather than make a movie which will leave a legacy. Mainstream sells...
Most of what I just wrote take it for what it's worth in parts. Doesn't really flow and isn't a structurally sound argument, but I felt like I made some good points. I'm lazy...leave me alone...
Most of what I just wrote take it for what it's worth in parts. Doesn't really flow and isn't a structurally sound argument, but I felt like I made some good points. I'm lazy...leave me alone...
Sorry, what part of what I'm saying is post-modern? All I'm saying is that films are for entertainment and you can site every little objective reason that you like why people shouldn't like a movie, but if people find it entertaining then people will continue to find it entertaining no matter how whiny people like you can get about it.Grinderbilly said:
Well you can see where one would find that confusing, with you pretty much making the equivalent of an "Am I the only one who doesn't hate/like/get [insert product, game, activity, etc]" thread.4RM3D said:
Because one would assume obviously these other peoples' opinions that made them think a movie was good which you are just flabbergasted about. That the asking of "what is wrong with these people" implies that you are indeed bothered by their positive opinions of said movie.
I did kinda said it pretty harsh. But the reason behind it is that I wanted to spark a bit of discussion. But instead people took it in a whole different direction. Next time I will put it more delicate.gbemery said:
As for having different opinions. This whole thread was initiated based on statistics and ratings. If some individual would have a different opinion and explain it to me, I am always willing to listen to it. Even if I don't agree with his arguments, I could still understand it or respect it if the arguments make at least a little bit of sense. But when people just have different opinions and don't bother explaining them or just say "screw you" then there is little to discuss. So simply put, it's not about how different that person's opinion is, but how well he can explain it. That also means if someone would agree with me, but can't (properly) explain why, it would be pointless for me. Then I rather have someone disagreeing with me and bringing forth a good argument.
I thought this was going to be about the ailing state of Hollywood combined with rants about special effects, horrible modern actors, and the fact that we're not pushing more intellectual pursuits in the movie industry. Instead I am treated to a complaint about how the Hangover sold a great amount of tickets, and how people in turn rated it so low.
My expectations are dashed, sir.
And whomever actually defended this movie... is one of the problems with modern society. The more thought provoking a film is, the better it is. The problem though, lies within the fact that Hollywood pushes rubbish for sales and profit over movies that take one a second or third viewing to fully appreciate. Gone are the Godfather's, the Blade Runner's, and the Taxi Driver's of our day. We've settled for monotony, mediocrity, and lowering ourselves to the level of the poor, insignificant fool who can't see outside their own limited world perceptions of what is and isn't good. I agree to some extent that yes, profits need to be made and all, but we're not getting anywhere or covering any new ground here. "People like it" isn't a reason. Some of the best movie scenes in cinema were ones in which the audience was genuinely disgusted, horrified, sickened beyond comprehension...and people don't want these traumatic, scarring scenes anymore. They want the lesser stresses, they want the easy way out. To put it bluntly, they don't want to be challenged as human beings.
And therein lies the problem: We are catering towards the expectations of those who don't want to better themselves as viewers and as people.
My expectations are dashed, sir.
And whomever actually defended this movie... is one of the problems with modern society. The more thought provoking a film is, the better it is. The problem though, lies within the fact that Hollywood pushes rubbish for sales and profit over movies that take one a second or third viewing to fully appreciate. Gone are the Godfather's, the Blade Runner's, and the Taxi Driver's of our day. We've settled for monotony, mediocrity, and lowering ourselves to the level of the poor, insignificant fool who can't see outside their own limited world perceptions of what is and isn't good. I agree to some extent that yes, profits need to be made and all, but we're not getting anywhere or covering any new ground here. "People like it" isn't a reason. Some of the best movie scenes in cinema were ones in which the audience was genuinely disgusted, horrified, sickened beyond comprehension...and people don't want these traumatic, scarring scenes anymore. They want the lesser stresses, they want the easy way out. To put it bluntly, they don't want to be challenged as human beings.
And therein lies the problem: We are catering towards the expectations of those who don't want to better themselves as viewers and as people.
I can go see what I want, I can think for myself, thats the premise of this discussion, you can't tell me what I can or can't see, maybe i do want to watch a low-brow movie just for the few laughs that it gives me, I loved this movie, it made me laugh a few times, I saw hangover ONCE, I don't even remember it, I don't care if the jokes are reused, Still funny. Quit being picky this day and age, just like what you like and don't like what you don't like.
Also, I can be rude too
What is WRONG with YOU. Oh man I have my own opinion and it differs from yours, I'm the bad guy because I can like low-brow movies, Yeah I loved hangover 2, But guess what? I also liked Godfather, and that was a real good movie, I like twilight? So what. I also like Blade Runner, Hell I even played the Blade Runner game from back in the day. So please, Don't ask me what is wrong with me, just because I don't whine and ***** whenever something I don't like is in the theaters.
In my opinion THAT is whats wrong with the industry, All people do is ***** and complain, WHY complain when there is nothing you can DO about it, just keep it to yourself.
Also, I can be rude too
What is WRONG with YOU. Oh man I have my own opinion and it differs from yours, I'm the bad guy because I can like low-brow movies, Yeah I loved hangover 2, But guess what? I also liked Godfather, and that was a real good movie, I like twilight? So what. I also like Blade Runner, Hell I even played the Blade Runner game from back in the day. So please, Don't ask me what is wrong with me, just because I don't whine and ***** whenever something I don't like is in the theaters.
In my opinion THAT is whats wrong with the industry, All people do is ***** and complain, WHY complain when there is nothing you can DO about it, just keep it to yourself.
Yeah you did come on a bit harsh, but so was my response. But i think that is because I had seen so many people post their opinions in a condescending that I jumped to conclusions. But those arguments you listed are opinions and reasoning I can understand and respect.4RM3D said:
I am against you calling an audience stupid, the film was made for a certain audience (A more casual audience who are the vast majority) and that audience liked it -thats the sign of a good film- Its like the whole Yahtzee/skate 2 thing. He didn't like the game because it wasn't aimed at him particular, but he didn't say the game was bad because he didn't think he was in the right position to judge it. Whereas most skaters (including myself) absolutly love the game because it was aimed at and made by actual skaters who wanted a realistic and challenging game aimed at them which had never really been done before.
Its the same here apart from a lot of movie critics state their oppinions as fact and a few seem to judge all films the same, like comparing Mullholand Dr with HOP.
Despite this, I do think that If people continue to give films like Hangover 2 almost flawless ratings then we may eventually stop seeing originality and intelligence in blockbuster films e.g. Inception, Blade Runner, Alien etc.
Its the same here apart from a lot of movie critics state their oppinions as fact and a few seem to judge all films the same, like comparing Mullholand Dr with HOP.
Despite this, I do think that If people continue to give films like Hangover 2 almost flawless ratings then we may eventually stop seeing originality and intelligence in blockbuster films e.g. Inception, Blade Runner, Alien etc.
I really, really think this quote should be shown to everyone before they make a thread, as it perfectly sums up what every member who makes threads like this.Ecclesiastes 1:9 said:
Yes, some people like to have a cheap laugh with their friends, to be entertained or just see something familiar, as more heavy and thought-out movies are not the go-to material for someone who just wants to take a break from work/whatever.
Hell, there's probably a lot of really smart people that went to see this movie just to have fun, as its rarely the ACTUAL intellectuals that only enjoy deep and philosophical entertainment. I know some really smart people, people that excel academically and just in general intelligence, such as my big brother. My big bro is good at pretty much any subject, whether its science or philosophy (he just graduated with a B.A in philosophy from a pretty good school) and guess what? he enjoys wrestling and plays pokemon.
That's right, wrestling and pokemon. So in short: Hangover II doesn't represent the state of the industry NOR the intellectual capacity of the audience. Only people that have to make up for their lack of intelligence think so.
It's a comedy, it's not really meant to be taken seriously. It's supposed to be funny, and have jokes, and that's about it. Comedies don't get good reviews because they lack substance, and I guess critics have just heard most of the jokes before, or something. Also, when you're hanging out with friends I don't think everyone wants to go out and see some intellectual movie; I don't at least. I save that kinda stuff for when I'm alone, like reading.