What is your argument for the violent video game case in the supreme court?

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Housebroken Lunatic

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This would be my argument:

More people have been seriously hurt and KILLED either during or because of an indirect relation to SPORTS (like baseball or football), than they ever have or ever will be because of violent videogames.


If the U.S supreme court still doesn't see my point by then, then they are idiots and thus immune to reason and logic...
 

Housebroken Lunatic

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subject_87 said:
Also, I defy anyone to say that Portal, SoTC, and Bioshock have no artistic merit.
You don't even have to use shining examples like that. Heck even the most tasteless and excessively violent games like Postal 2 or Manhunt have plenty of artistic merit, and it would be easy to argue their case too.
 

MegaManOfNumbers

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I'd actually be surprised if anyone here argued for banning violent video games.

oh and guys, Extra Credits got ya covered.
 

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Outright Villainy said:
People should decide for themselves. Parents should decide for their children. It's the same as any other medium (and specifically film, because the parallels are pretty clear)

I could go on and on...
I think I might They have NO Case seriously what can they say "I didn't see that this game was rated M for mature when I bought it for lil timmy" It's they're fault for not reading it.
Aslo IF it's about wheteher or not games should have violence then I thought we were past this once Doom came out
 

Outright Villainy

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Theninja said:
Outright Villainy said:
People should decide for themselves. Parents should decide for their children. It's the same as any other medium (and specifically film, because the parallels are pretty clear)

I could go on and on...
I think I might They have NO Case seriously what can they say "I didn't see that this game was rated M for mature when I bought it for lil timmy" It's they're fault for not reading it.
Aslo IF it's about wheteher or not games should have violence then I thought we were past this once Doom came out
The problem is the whole thing sounds plausible enough; I mean young people shouldn't be playing violent games anyway? I've seen many a gamer here take that stance.

Thing is, it would mean video games would lose their status as protected free speech. Worse still, because games would be illegal to sell to minors with serious penalties, many developers would leave out any controversial or topical themes for fear of a high rating, which would bite in the ass when it does get into little timmy's hands. The parents won't be blamed, the company and the retailer will, and they'll be less likely to stock/produce games of any real maturity.

It's treating our medium like pornography; it's incredibly disrespectful and infuriating.
 

Terminate421

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Games cannot cause one to do things. If that argument was valid then wouldn't we be banning books? The Catcher in the Rye "Inspired" The death of another individual.

They are an art form whether people like it or not.

If they want to prevent children from playing it? It should be the parents responsibility, not the developers.
 

Terminate421

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subject_87 said:
Also, I defy anyone to say that Portal, SoTC, and Bioshock have no artistic merit.
I support those games as a representative, but Id also prefer to add Dead Space, Fallout 3, and Mass Effect to the list, but those do make great representatives (Better than the 3 I mentioned).
 

Theninja'skatana

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Outright Villainy said:
Theninja said:
Outright Villainy said:
People should decide for themselves. Parents should decide for their children. It's the same as any other medium (and specifically film, because the parallels are pretty clear)

I could go on and on...
I think I might They have NO Case seriously what can they say "I didn't see that this game was rated M for mature when I bought it for lil timmy" It's they're fault for not reading it.
Aslo IF it's about wheteher or not games should have violence then I thought we were past this once Doom came out
The problem is the whole thing sounds plausible enough; I mean young people shouldn't be playing violent games anyway? I've seen many a gamer here take that stance.

Thing is, it would mean video games would lose their status as protected free speech. Worse still, because games would be illegal to sell to minors with serious penalties, many developers would leave out any controversial or topical themes for fear of a high rating, which would bite in the ass when it does get into little timmy's hands. The parents won't be blamed, the company and the retailer will, and they'll be less likely to stock/produce games of any real maturity.

It's treating our medium like pornography; it's incredibly disrespectful and infuriating.
I would say IT's ON NOW SENATE but that fuel their fires eventually It'll pass just like rock before it.
 

DreamingMerc

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Speaking about any such coloration between violent behavior & action and violent interactive mediums I can only speak to two distinctive points.

The first being presented peer reviewed clinical data, of which I've never seen such a study done that has actual data to support the claim that both expressions of violence are directly related. No study I've seen express any testable form of data, and as such the experiment or study preformed cant be repeated. In essence such a study would not be a science as it lacks the fundamental properties to be labeled as such.

The second point I can speak from is my own personal experiences. For which I can say I have played games going on fifteen years, some if not a majority of which were violent games. That being said I've never had the compulsion to commit violence on another person, nor has such a history hindered my social or profession capacity as a person.

In essence from my stand point this entire concept is invalid, as there's no evidence or really much of a argument brought forth from the proposers that violent interactive medium needs to be policed in some mannerism if aloud to exist at all. Furthermore the acceptance of the US Supreme Court to take this case seems to be only taken into consideration to appease agenda driven people with no real understanding of the medium. For that reason I hope the case is thrown out.
 

SantoUno

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It is simply wrong for games not to be protected by the First Amendment, simply because they are an art based on the fact that a development team creates them for the sole purpose of contributing to the medium. And as the consumers, we enjoy choosing which games we purchase and experience.

By removing First Amendment protection from video games masterpieces like Fallout 3 won't be available to us anymore because similar games in the future could be banned, and that is just unconstitutional. Doing this isn't going to protect the fucking children or make society here a better place, it only harms the gamer community who enjoys and fuels this medium.
 

Eumersian

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The only remotely valid argument (still pretty bad if you ask me) I could see anybody making against games would be that the concept of interactivity would be different than watching a violent movie. This doesn't mean anything, and most people just need to put their kids in an environment where they won't overthink their games and put them into real life.

Besides, the Boston Strangler didn't need Postal 2 to be a nutjob, and Jack the Ripper didn't need GTA to kill hookers.
 

Veylon

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The best argument I can come up with is that every complaint against video games can be made against other media, so if you must ban certain games, certain movies/books/etc must also similarly be banned, whether the reason is sexuality or violence or whatever. The content is the same, merely in a different format, and should be free to be expressed just as it otherwise is. The validity of the studies is moot; it's to the parents to decide what their children take in, as in other areas.
 

Johnnyallstar

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Where in the Constitution does the Federal Government have the authority to ban, or promote the purchase of any economical product? The Enumerated Powers don't give them that right.

State governments have such authority, but the people can vote with their feet, and move to a state where the sale is legal.

Of course, after the Civil War, who gave a damn about the Constitution anyway?

EDIT: Going along the lines of "games as art" I have to point out the incredible amount of violence and nudity found within classical pieces of Art, and much of great writing. Now, nudity does not always equal sexuality, but it's presence in video games doesn't mean that it's not art. The way it's presented is what matters.

If a game is being shockingly violent just to be violent, then it loses it's purpose. If a game has nudity, or sex JUST to have nudity and sex, it loses all value. Violence can convey powerful messages that cannot be expressed otherwise. The human body can be a beautiful thing, and when shown in a wholesome sense, nudity is incredibly artistic while not being overtly sexual.

But to remove those intrinsic parts of reality from a medium originating from reality on the simple merits that it's deemed "unhealthy" is to deny our human nature, being born naked into a violent world.

In short, I don't think it's the Government's right to tell us what we are allowed to buy, or not to, but I think that parents should be doing a better job of taking care of their children, and less about worrying about whatever is taking their time away from their kids.
 

theSovietConnection

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I'd basically argue that the law shouldn't have to uphold common sense, even though more and more often it is. Hell, if they make any law regarding this, only make it that there has to be a large, clearly explained poster with the ESRB ratings displayed in plain view near the cash register, so that parents have no excuse for what their kids play.