What is your opinion on Airsoft?

[Thamous]

most of the time you can see the bb bounce off and the person flinch. but if you feel you are hit then you call it so it is a game of trust.

Quite honestly, I don't won't to have to rely on my competition being honest and trustworthy in order to play a game properly. I'm sure they are, but I would rather have a more sure fire way of determining who's in and who's out. For future reference, be sure to quote someone when you respond to one of their posts, just so they know.

 

[ElPatron]

Id otn honestly respect either. If you want to shoot guns at each other, its called war, go enlist. At least thent here's not bitching and moaning that you cheated just cause you're better.

So if you like rugby, man-up and just get into a bar brawl every single night.

Haters gonna hate. So, because we glorify teamwork and discipline, we are also forced to glorify violence and hatred, getting killed for a government you don't trust and causing pain to your family (and some poor guy's family too).

Before you reply , take into account that my papers for enlisting are sitting on my desk right now. Literally.

like people who play a lot of FPSs and think they could survive in real combat from it

Met a CoD player, which are at the bottom of the gaming food-chain in my personal view, that the first time he tried a real firearm he nailed 3 targets with 3 double taps with pretty tight placement. The owner of the handgun almost fell from the chair. He actually repositioned the sights on target instead of just pulling quickly, many times people have to train hard for a few hundreds of rounds to get it right.

Or about the guy who played as a medic in America's Army, and when he got in the army he saved a comrade's life by repeating the steps in the game. He had no experience whatsoever in the role of combat medic.


Now, I don't believe gaming or airsoft or whatever is going to make you a better soldier. I am just trying to make you see that your "opinions", which you are right to spread, are the result of a misinformed assumption of people you don't even know.


FYI I will have to do tactical training with paintball. We don't have the money to buy those fancy simunitions and we are not stupid enough to just make live fire training against your own guys.





About the guys who don't get how to play airsoft, you feel the hit, you call yourself out. You don't? You never get to play with those guys again. EVER. That doesn't happen in paintball since the community is much larger in my country.

What I don't like in paintball, is the players. Seriously, I think speedball doesn't get any respect from me. Woodsball and stock paintball sound much better in theory. I hate the fact that some fall on the mud to cover their hits. Or people that take wet rags with them and wipe off paint. I hate the fact that there are so many of them who don't mind about the sport and just ruin the game since they will never come back again, yet new people with that mindset come and go every week. I hate that paintball players hate on airsoft because "it doesn't hurt as much" - judging a sport for how much do the balls hurt is a serious offense to my IQ.

But in airsoft, most of the community are former paintballers who felt they needed to get away. That gives you an idea of how bad things have become within certain circles.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

Wow, a flamewar begun on the fifth comment, don't think I've seen one light up so quick before.

Anyway, I used to amateur airsoft with 3 or 4 friends round at each others gardens, just sneaking around firing at each other. It was a lot of fun, but they always always ended in arguments over whether you hit someone, or who hit who first (two of the guys were extremely competitive, and would never admit to being hit unless you managed to sneak up and hit them point blank).
I've had a better experience paintballing, because we have a brilliant paintball place near us, and it's properly mediated, so you don't have the same arguments or falling out. You can also get a lot more friends going, have a much larger area to play in, and the guns are far better than our cheap airsoft handguns. Although it is blooming expensive.

I think the idea that it is childish, that probably just comes from peoples predetermined thoughts on the sport, paintball is seen as a notoriously painful, adult orientated game, whereas airsoft is less painful and dangerous option, often played by young teenagers running around their gardens shooting each other and arguing (Yes, that connection was intentional.)

 

[Thamous]

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oka. I'll start by sayign this, I dont think that you should join or you're any less of a person cause its not real. i can get behind that, its fine to shoot something with something that wont hurt it (as long as both parties consent). regardless of what is aid above (cause thats really just my answer to the vocal minority).

My problem with the game is I just find it boring. now when I my freinds and I play, its more fun. We dont play in an arena, we play outside, and we play dangerous. We're not afraid to just shoot each other in eye, or even an execution style shot. You're in it to win it, there's no wussing out. But thats just us, and because of that, its made the game boring.

and like i said with paintball, I just cant get excited when I can cheat and bring a trashcan lid and a bucket of paint to throw at people. Just cause I find the later being far more entertaining then shooting someone with a pellet of paint.

Not to be rude, but there is a difference in playing dangerous and playing stupid. Not employing eye protection is stupid. In case you weren't aware, the average paintball or airsoft gun has more than enough power to blind and seriously injure someone if hit in the eye. Avoiding blindness and possibly death isn't "wussing out", it's called not being an idiot.

 

[A Raging Emo]

I absolutely love the game! I Airsoft at my local site virtually every weekend, mainly just Skirmishing, but occasionally they hold MilSims as well.

I think the game is really good fun, and everyone at my site is very honest about their hits; although i do realise lots of people aren't.

I prefer it to Paintball as it's more realistic in the way it's played - most paintballers I know are... Well... Dicks, who just wipe off the paint. while virtually every Airsofter I know is honest about their hits.

Although, everyone who i know who either doesn't Airsoft or instead plays Paintball thinks it's extremely childish, and I must know; why?

 

[Prince Regent]

Couldn't care less, it's not a sport (is it a sport?) played here. Guess that as long as everyone wears goggles I'm fine with it.

 

[Willem]

alright, I'll specify. i dont care for either, mainly cause I dont get the thrill. I can see where some people would, but I just live dangerous, so I dont. my problem isnt with the games (I've played, and with friends, I can have fun with both, but we usually make it tougher then the average game), but with the people who 9while this doesnt represent everyone, so dont tink it does, please its not meant to) get overconfident and talk themselves up like because they're good it makes them on par with an actual soldier. yes, they're a small group, but also thery're usually the most vocal. yes its hypocritical to make my opinion based on that, but i get tired of it after growing up in a military family, especially with an uncle who was in 'Nam, and even today gets spit at for it. but I'm getting off topic.

Point being, i dont have a prblem with (edit) the game itself. I really dont. I jsut have a problem witht hat vocal minority of people who ruin the image of the majority. and that turns me off to the whole affair.

... and I just get bored when I play.

You pretty much sound like the kind of person you're describing, only much much worse.

You are like a douche singularity.

 

[Orcus The Ultimate]

it's funny cause it's like RPGing with LOTR kind of imaginative story, if you have friends for it... apart from that it's an alternative for real warfare...

 

[ElNeroDiablo]

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oka. I'll start by sayign this, I dont think that you should join or you're any less of a person cause its not real. i can get behind that, its fine to shoot something with something that wont hurt it (as long as both parties consent). regardless of what is aid above (cause thats really just my answer to the vocal minority).

My problem with the game is I just find it boring. now when I my friends and I play, its more fun. We dont play in an arena, we play outside, and we play dangerous. We're not afraid to just shoot each other in eye, or even an execution style shot. You're in it to win it, there's no wussing out. But thats just us, and because of that, its made the game boring.

and like i said with paintball, I just cant get excited when I can cheat and bring a trashcan lid and a bucket of paint to throw at people. Just cause I find the later being far more entertaining then shooting someone with a pellet of paint.

Not to be rude, but there is a difference in playing dangerous and playing stupid. Not employing eye protection is stupid. In case you weren't aware, the average paintball or airsoft gun has more than enough power to blind and seriously injure someone if hit in the eye. Avoiding blindness and possibly death isn't "wussing out", it's called not being an idiot.

To continue along the safety aspect of paintball - the legal maximum speed (that's not to say some unscrupulous players don't tweak the marker out on the field after the game starts) a paintball marker can fire at (which you have to check at the Chronometer or 'Chrony') is 300 fps/100 yps/ 90 mps (that's 324 Kph or 202.5 mph), so when you have gelatin capsules filled with non-toxic water-based paint up to ~70% of an inch in diametre speeding at you faster than most cars can drive ONLY powered by compressed air or CO2, you'd be a moron to not to protect your face.

Yeah, it can be dangerous (not to mention the paintballs leaving a possible welt when they hit so you KNOW you got hit there for a while after), but same can be said for driving a car or just walking down the god-damned-street.

 

[DSK-]

Honestly I'd never really heard of it until this thread :/

 

[Hero in a half shell]

My problem with the game is I just find it boring. now when I my freinds and I play, its more fun. We dont play in an arena, we play outside, and we play dangerous. We're not afraid to just shoot each other in eye, or even an execution style shot. You're in it to win it, there's no wussing out. But thats just us, and because of that, its made the game boring.

I understand the points you have raised that paintball and airsoft do not have much interest to you, and that's absolutely fine, I happen to enjoy it, but you could have been a little more... diplomatic in your first post.
Aside from that I want to pull you up on not wearing eye protection. That is tempting fate, especially if you do it often. Me and my friends didn't wear eye protection at the beginning when we played, but I wore glasses. During a match one of the guys shot at me, from about 10 metres away. it was a crappy old 0.5 joule BB handgun, firing useless plastic BBs, but it still had enough power to full on crack my glasses lens, if it hadn't had that anti shatter treatment the whole lens would have shattered in my eye. It hit right in the centre, and if I hadn't been wearing them then I would be almost certainly blind in one eye right now, and barring the awesome pirate jokes that would totally suck: I mean, you and your friends are running a very serious risk of losing an eye every time you fire the guns.

Please wear eye protection, your dads probably have those plastic goggles laying around, or maybe even the cool goggle shades, heck, even swimming googles would do, Who cares if you look dorky, your eyes are worth it, and if you do get hit in the eye it will blind you.

 

[Jfswift]

I play both. I think they're both fun although my preference is for Airsoft. It's cleaner, you have slightly better options for gear you can wear and higher ammo capacity (potentially). The rounds hit about as hard with Paintball or Airsoft if the pressure is cranked up. The only downside to Airsoft is a player could pretend not to be hit or they may not feel the hit (since there's no paint marker, it's harder to prove they were hit).

 

[MysticToast]

I love airsoft. Having guns that look like actual guns is awesome (I'm not knocking paintball, I like to play that too) and it's just more fun to me. Plus it's cheaper

 

[dj Facchiano]

Love it, actually played a game at my local field, Area48 yesterday. Like it much better then paintball as I just cant take paintball seriously. Compared to paintball airsoft guns are more realistic, more fun and easy to modify and shoot BBs at much longer distances and higher fps. Plus airsoft is much more cheap then paintball. I think people assume its childish because its still a fairly new thing, but I'm sure with time it will become just as popular if not more then paintball.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

Anything short of live combat is childish, but it is good practice.

Hmmm so military radio-tag FTX's are "childish". I'll have to tell that to my former Drill Instructor.

 

[emeraldrafael]

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Like i said, Im being hypocritical. But I also said that that wasnt meant toward the average person. Just cause I find it boring doesnt mean I think I'm better then the people who play or the above them. Never said i did, and never said I would be ready for real combat. just.. I find it boring and that I grew up in a military family. Im not really allowed to enlist, or at least wouldnt make it. my health keeps me out, and I was written off with problems with authority.

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thats the least of our concern at the moment. most times wehn we play, its the dead of winter, and when you're hit, you stay down. Till morning. So you could be in below freezing for over 5 hours, in as much or as little as you choose to wear.

and I know, one of us cant see fully out of his eye after he got shot in it. Just the harsh reality, I suppose.

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See above, I suppose? listen listen, I know the safety. I know the rules, I do. I just choose to ignore them. ignoring the rules has kept me out of arenas, and from the vocal minority.

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Good for you. I always find it healthy to want to support your country and fight for it if its in danger. As i said, health concerns and discplinary problems have kept me out. Mostly the health.

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Well... there's always exceptions. I dont know. I try not to generalize, but I think most anyone who's read that knows who I mean if they've associated with them. Whether it be the 12 year olds, or the ones that just talk out their ass.

And i'll concede, i'm sounding like them at the moment. But I do know who I'm talking about, cause I've met them while playing paintball/airsoft, and its whats turned me off. I could deal with the boredom, I still find fun once the match picks up. But just... those people. They ruined it for me. I shouldnt be that petty, but I just cant help it. perhaps cause the people who do it in my area are mostly my age (19), and there are a small majority that will use those paintball/airsoft guns to be dicks on and off the field. so I've met them. they're a small group, but they're very loud, and if theres one thing I've never liked in my, its loudness.

 

[MadMechanic]

I used to play paintball, but I've moved onto airsoft. I can understand why people play/like/enjoy them, but I vastly prefer airsoft.
Part of the reason was the community. Whilst it's true there's always bastards in a community - round my neck of the woods the paintballers I met were all twats. 2 types - the annoying young kids with too much money (or should that be parent's money?), who think it's cool to shout homophobic/racial/whatever abuse over an Xbox mic and do so whilst playing paintball - or the elder player, really arrogant, bought all the gear, thinks he owns the place (and does so by slyly wiping paint off himself...) Gets defencive about his gear - he brags about it, but if you ask him about it, he goes nuts.
I can't stress this enough, I'm not saying all paintballers are like that, just the ones I met.
I'm certainly not saying airsoft is full of saints. I've met some real wankers playing, both similar to the above paintballers I've mentioned - but on the whole, the guys and gals I've met are very nice, friendly people.

Secondly, cost. Whilst it's true some replicas may cost more than a marker - ammo wise (and batteries/gas) it's far cheaper. So far this year I've gone through 37K rounds (I'm a support gunner). It's cost me £39. If that was paintball ammo, I'd be looking into double figures for 3 thousand rounds.

What else do I like? Well, the play style. We can do generic Sunday Skirmishes. Relaxed, hi-caps galore, friendly. We can do MilSim. We can do HistoricalSim (I've done a pretty good Nam game) We can do FilmSim - act like every action movie character, fire from the hip, shouting Arnie quotes and not taking it seriously. So much diversity. Marshals put effort into the game, making it more than "capture the flag" or "team deathmatch".
The gear. Unless you're part of a team, very few players ever look alike. The same goes for replicas - I've never seen, in 3 years of skirmishing, another player with an L86LSW. Everyone is unique. It makes things interesting, and people become recognisable ("he's that guy who wears the USN blue camo stuff!" or "hey, it's that nice guy who dresses like a 60's USSR paratrooper" etc). Of course, there are the dreaded 'geardos' and 'stitch-counters' but they're (luckily) few and far between.

I've had the "why don't ya join the army" line - but there's some good reasons why I don't. Firstly, I'm doing this for enjoyment. Like I also do cooking, painting or photography - you've never asked why I don't make those my job, and I find it fun. Secondly, it's good exercise - running about, with all that gear for a day (or 2) in the great outdoors, far better for me than sitting infront of an Xbox. And finally - I'm just not fit enough by Army/Navy/RAF standards - asthma and with a heart defect. Its a case of "I would if I could".

 

[Jedoro]

Anything short of live combat is childish, but it is good practice.

Hmmm so military radio-tag FTX's are "childish". I'll have to tell that to my former Drill Instructor.

Go for it. This is me not giving a shit about the opinion of a stranger's DI.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

Anything short of live combat is childish, but it is good practice.

Hmmm so military radio-tag FTX's are "childish". I'll have to tell that to my former Drill Instructor.

Go for it. This is me not giving a shit about the opinion of a stranger's DI.

Actually I wanted to see if he'd crack a smile with that one. Continue with not giving a shit.