What is your opinion on Existence?

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Sordak

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its kinda neat?

btw everything viewed objectiveley is shit. just try it. try to be as objective as you can potentialy be and drag it out. Youll find out its kind of unpleasant. So be Subjective and ride the awsome train (aka ruin every discussion you can find)
 

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William Keller said:
Shit, you want to discuss existentialism?! But that's got nothing to do with 'existence'!

What everyone seems to be doing is taking the empirical route to explain the existence of consciousness, i.e. by rote recital of scientific concepts. This fails for a number of reasons, not least of which is that it only explains the 'how' of most (all, to some people) of existence, as opposed to the 'why'. Were we to disseminate existentialism in the vein of Kierkegaard, then we'd be getting somewhere. By that thought, he came to the conclusion that the purpose of the conscious mind was to obtain for itself a truth true to itself (the consciousness) separate from those of other individuals. Upon obtaining this truth, it can thusly be acted upon thereby giving purpose to life and subsequent death of the individual, as the 'truth' so encountered can be the driving force of action, while all other knowledge can be considered incidental to the development of said conscious mind. Therefore, the conscious mind develops by taking in knowledge through the person's senses etc., and by analysis of this knowledge, forms a hypothesis from which to seek a certain 'truth' thereby validating his/her existence. Once this truth is found, all subsequent action is decided upon based on the implications of this truth.

Granted, not everyone likes this (as it is an argument for purpose of existence through personal experience as opposed to explanatory of action), but it's a thought.
 

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I could say something like "We're just here and it doesn't matter why" or "A series of unlikely reactions led to my existence" but to be honest it would just be covering up the fact that I am horribly unlearned when it comes to how the universe and conscious thought came into being, and what existed beforehand.

I certainly don't agree with the notion that some sort of intelligent designer created everything, and if I did it would really just raise more questions.

I do think that searching for a purpose, a cosmic purpose anyway, is pretty pointless. The more you search you'll either realize that nothing in the Universe really cares what you do with your life, or delude yourself otherwise. Searching for a way you can improve your life and that of those around you is a much better usage of your time, but also more difficult.
I actually genuinely take issue with people who strongly believe they have been put on Earth to do something in particular. I'm not just talking about being put there by God, or any specific belief, and my intention is not to offend anyone, but I don't understand people who can't be satisfied with the life they've been dealt without tacking on either another life afterwards, or a justifying purpose for existing.

I've gone off on a tangent somewhat. To answer your direct questions:

I do not know why we are here, but I strongly doubt it's for any intelligently conceived reason. I think we humans greatly overestimate the importance of intelligent thought. I think it is best to go through life finding a purpose that is best for you and those around you.

Life is ugly, spiteful, beautiful, tranquil, unforgiving, elegant, biased, brief, precious and perhaps most of all, fickle.
Our experience of life is emotion. Everything boils down to emotion in my eyes. Comprehension is incredibly important, but even that is near meaningless without emotion.
All emotions, from Euphoria to despair, are precious to me. I enjoy encountering all of them, feeling their odd textures, running my hand across their varying surfaces, discerning their obtuse shapes, recognizing them as they course through my body from my fingertips to the pit of my stomach. As I smirk, laugh, cry, groan, twist, contort, shiver, gag and breathe in harmony with them. Life can only be defined by emotion, by the chemical reactions that spark the cores of our very being.

And after death? No emotion, no comprehension, nothing. Other things exist, and they feel emotion, but what does that mean for you? Nothing. So it may as well not exist, right? After death, you are done feeling anything ever again, and you can only hope that you were one of the lucky few who had a really good ride.

Whoa, I really rambled there.

TL;DR: Why are we here? Haven't a barney.

Thanks for the interesting topic, OP.
 

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I tend to lean towards a solipsistic view... what can I say? I've played to many games. But I find it very interesting to regard something from that viewpoint. Besides that, I believe we came into existence due to chance, luck? if you would call it that and nothing more. Life was going to create itself one way or another as long as it is possible, some form of evolution is to thank for that. As long as the building blocks are there, sometime sooner or later they will be assembled correctly. However that does not mean that one should throw away their existence as it is a gift, a chance to do something that can not bed done again. Though I do not think that to do so is bad, as causing yourself to cease to exist is the one choice where most of us truly have freewill to decide and thus should be allowed.

That went a bit off topic there... I should probably stop going to philosophy club and listening to my philosophical (hehe) teacher.
 

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What happens after we die? We either get thrown in a muddy ditch, incinerated, or donated to medical research or our organs go to donors to help them have longer, better lives.
As for that life thing? Feh I don't know. It's probably just an illusion...just like meeeeee...*floats away*
 

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William Keller said:
Now, the reason I did not start this thread in the "Religion" section, is that I believe it is not a religious, rather a philosophical matter.
Inextricably intertwined, as some are unable to form a thought without faith informing it.

So, fellow Escapist, why are we here?
Our ancestor ran faster/threw further/punched harder/raped more than the next guy, so his children survived to reproduce as well. As to what we do ... well, we do the same thing, although hopefully by now without the rape. It still comes down to ensuring our genes get passed on.

What is this experience called "life"?
Enjoyable, finite, worth protecting, worth extending. At the point when death is inevitable the fight to live should be at its fiercest, to hold on for just one second more.

What will happen to us after we die?
Our consciousness ceases, our body stops maintaining itself, it rots and decomposes into its constituents and feeds new life.

IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please, I CAN NOT tolerate hatred because of someone's opinion.
Why not? If someone holds an opinion that is demonstrably wrong, and espouse that opinion in the face of evidence showing it to be wrong, they should be hated. They're not just ignorant - they're willfully ignorant. That is truly worthy of hate. Detestation. Extermination.

Everyone is free to state their own, as long as they do not insult anybody else's.
How else will they learn? Well, they probably won't, and efforts to educate them will likely fall on deaf ears, so you may as well troll them a bit and get some amusement from their foolishness.
 

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I have to explain my view of all existences to explain my view on this existence.

I reason that there is an infinite number of different "existences". Each existence is entirely isolated from all others. Basically, nothing can get in, nothing can get out. From the perspective of our existence, no other existence really "exists" because they are unreachable.

This means that, if I live in a random existence, then I must also assume that anything I am unaware about or that I find unknowable to have a random answer. Meaning, for example, that any religious or non-religious metaphysical answer may be correct. Making, for example, a benevolent deity equally[footnote]"Equal" is a bad word to use here, because of the effects of infinity on randomness.[/footnote] likely as a malevolent one, or no metaphysical reality at all.

Similarly, what happens when we die (metaphysically speaking) is unknowable. However, I side with the belief that nothing will happen, just that my consciousness ceases to work.

Because each existence is isolated, it means that no omnipotent being is omnipotent outside of the existence in which they reside. Thus they are not all-powerful, but all-powerful within a limited realm.

On the positive side, every single fictional universe I might envision actually has an existence dedicated to it. Meaning that whatever I choose to describe in any fictional work I create, also has a corresponding existence to go with it. It should be of note that I do not believe I create that existence, only "find" it, so to speak.
 

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In philosophy class we have been taught that several philosophers in history consider them selves having found the answer to those questions, even though philosophy is not as much about the definite answer as much as about the flipping and twisting and considering of the question and solution both, philosophy is the wierd combo of sience and religion, it is by definition vague and fuzzy, therefore your answere will rarely be fundamentally corret and true for everyone.

"what is the meaning of life" that is just another sentence to discribe philosophy as a whole.

why are we here: because there are currently a very fertile planet here with the possibility of life, and countless of creatures before me have procreated what finally became humans and finally me, and my purpose is to continue that process

life: well the scientific definition of life is that things that live breed, convert energy and breathe, and we have cells, all living things does all of the above, aside from one thing, fire, which is at the very edge of life but has no cells and therefor does not live.

death: as far as science is concerned it is cells no longer capable to recreate in enough speed necessary, the body is no longer capable to do the above criterias for life and thus dies, the material eventually becoming somthing else it's energy back at the beginning of the circle of life.

but a scientific answer is not enough in a philosophical perspective.
but that is the thing, philosophy while it need the basic science answers also needs to process the questions that comes with human concience which takes us to a more abstract area.

the thing is these are questions that can either be answered religiously, as some philosophers have done, or it can be answered conceptually which have been far more popular in todays philosophy.

why am I here? what is my purpose?
for me, it is about finding that purpose, in either religion or experience and dreams.
every porpose is unique, the reason is for the individual alone. the search is usually more fulfilling and rewarding than the goal it self.

what is life?
I cosider it the timelimit you have to reach your purpose.

what happens after death?
I considere living beings as very advanced machines of sorts, made of biological matter, no I do not believe in a god that created these "machines" and thus I do not believe in a soul, just.. very advanced wiering.
as with a dead computer, I don't think much else happens with me after I die, my functions stop and I wont have any concept of death or life anymore, I cease to exsist and the parts are to be recycled into perhaps another machine.

* I'm sorry about misspelling and any confusion, but I'm soooo tired right now =P
 

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I don't believe in an afterlife. Nor if there is an afterlife, can we prove that either it exists, nor anything about it. So, I can't say one way or the other that there is or is not an afterlife, I'm just more inclined not to believe in one, as I have an Aristotelian view of the soul: Human life ends, soul ends, they can't be separated. And when I say soul, I really mean consciousness, self awareness; if you swapped the consciousness of 2 people, it would be 'that' what would be swapped. If one was to be cloned, it would be the difference, as one's 'self awareness' would see out of the eyes of one person, and the other's would see out of the others. I can't explain it well, sorry. But if there is an afterlife, I'd go with quantum entanglement to explain it, because science is cool.

I believe there is no purpose behind life objectively. Everyone makes their own purpose of life, it is subjective. I don't really have one, I don't see meaning in it, so my purpose is to learn as much as possible about physics and maths, because that is what interests me, and that is how I can learn most about the universe, at least in my views.

However, to explain the double-slit experiment and what-not, my view on that is currently multiple universe. Every different choice makes a new universe, and thus there is an uncountable number of universes. But, as afore-mentioned about the afterlife, we can never reach or understand or know anything about those other universes. Their existence is only useful for theoretical purposes.

As for existence of the universe, My view is, singularity at the beginning, and either the universe just created itself via some quantum nonsense science, or an outside being started that process, but it is completely transcendent, and has no influence on the universe. Thus I am agnostic, whether or not there is a god has no effect on me, same result.
 

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BlueMage said:
IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please, I CAN NOT tolerate hatred because of someone's opinion.
Why not? If someone holds an opinion that is demonstrably wrong, and espouse that opinion in the face of evidence showing it to be wrong, they should be hated. They're not just ignorant - they're willfully ignorant. That is truly worthy of hate. Detestation. Extermination.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree. If one's opinion is definitely wrong (but, as I believe, there rarely is something which is 100% right or wrong), he/she should be politely notified of that fact. Hatred never helps, trust me.
 

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SckizoBoy said:
William Keller said:
So, fellow Escapist, why are we here? What is this experience called "life"? What will happen to us after we die?
Also, what do you mean by 'existence': 'being'; or 'essence' (that something 'is', or what something 'is', respectively)?
Both.

Aprilgold said:
To be in a world, which we can change and control, do you need ANYTHING else?
Well, the thing is, I don't believe this is true. Can we really control or change the world, or are we living the same thing over and over again? Are our lives programmed by a creator or the collective consciousness of mankind? Do we really choose?
 

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I am here because I am, and while it is interesting to occasionally talk about the "why" and "so what now?" about it, it is usually futile, because the answer usually falls short.
The best "why are we exist" I can think of, is to make babies, and carry on our genes. Why? Because it makes sense, and it can be justified. Philosophically, it also falls short, but philosophy doesn't always apply to real world scenarios as well as I'd like it to, so this is the reasoning I shall use until I find out a better one.

What happens when I die?
I would like to believe that I am reborn in a different time, different place, different societal standing, or even different species, but if my wishes were bricks, I'd have a ferris wheel.
When I die, my body decays, and thats about it. My brain, the thing that makes me me decays with it, and I cease to be.

Oh, and life is a set of experiences, well not really a "set" persay, but a collection. A collection of experiences that you and others control, for the sake of yourself and others. Whether you enjoy life or not does not influence your death really, but if you enjoy life, then you are likely to increase the life generated around you, whether that be via baby-making, or making people feel better and not killing themselves. I think life is a collective experience with everyone and everything you interact with, something you cannot possibly detach yourself from.

These are not the best arguments ever, but they work for me, and it's my life, so /shrug
 

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SckizoBoy said:
Shit, you want to discuss existentialism?! But that's got nothing to do with 'existence'!

What everyone seems to be doing is taking the empirical route to explain the existence of consciousness, i.e. by rote recital of scientific concepts. This fails for a number of reasons, not least of which is that it only explains the 'how' of most (all, to some people) of existence, as opposed to the 'why'. Were we to disseminate existentialism in the vein of Kierkegaard, then we'd be getting somewhere. By that thought, he came to the conclusion that the purpose of the conscious mind was to obtain for itself a truth true to itself (the consciousness) separate from those of other individuals. Upon obtaining this truth, it can thusly be acted upon thereby giving purpose to life and subsequent death of the individual, as the 'truth' so encountered can be the driving force of action, while all other knowledge can be considered incidental to the development of said conscious mind. Therefore, the conscious mind develops by taking in knowledge through the person's senses etc., and by analysis of this knowledge, forms a hypothesis from which to seek a certain 'truth' thereby validating his/her existence. Once this truth is found, all subsequent action is decided upon based on the implications of this truth.

Granted, not everyone likes this (as it is an argument for purpose of existence through personal experience as opposed to explanatory of action), but it's a thought.
Very interesting indeed, thank you.
This, however, means that there is no true consciousness. There are only, let's say, "manufactured" truths: is anything we have ever thought really true? Probably not.
Which leads me to my former thoughts: are we in a position to manufacture our own consciousness? To pick a truth that's "true" for us? That would mean there already are truths, or fragments of truths, details and evidence supporting a certain theory. To put it quite simply, who put those there? Were they planted by a force like a "creator" (nothing like a creator, really) or a collective realization (universal consciousness)? Were they merely created by us to fill nonexistent gaps?

In order to become clear, I am not suggesting that God created us. I am an atheist, and not a philosopher. I am just looking to have an interesting conversation.
 

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I understand why these questions would matter to a lot of people. People in general like to establish order over things, and the idea of lack of order and purpose scares us. So many look to some kind of higher power guiding us through our lives, or at least something to give our existence a point. I however, have never had a problem with chaos. All chaos means is infinite opportunity, which I much prefer to the idea of some deity or set of cosmic rules restricting me.
 

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Why the hell would I be thinking about why I'm alive? That's valuable time wasted on roundabout thoughts when I could be getting drunk, playing games and having sex (sometimes all at once!)

My philosophy, if I can really stomach to call it that, is that we should exist to be happy. Help make other people happy and they can help you make yourself happy. If they don't want to be happy then they can go off and be miserable on their own.

At the end of the day, if you're wasting too much time thinking about unanswerable questions like the purpose of our existence, then you're not enjoying the sickeningly brief flicker of life to its fullest.
 

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William Keller said:
Very interesting indeed, thank you.
This, however, means that there is no true consciousness. There are only, let's say, "manufactured" truths: is anything we have ever thought really true? Probably not.
Which leads me to my former thoughts: are we in a position to manufacture our own consciousness? To pick a truth that's "true" for us? That would mean there already are truths, or fragments of truths, details and evidence supporting a certain theory. To put it quite simply, who put those there? Were they planted by a force like a "creator" (nothing like a creator, really) or a collective realization (universal consciousness)? Were they merely created by us to fill nonexistent gaps?

In order to become clear, I am not suggesting that God created us. I am an atheist, and not a philosopher. I am just looking to have an interesting conversation.
Well, I did mention that not everyone would like it. Still, herein lies a bit of the problem in this conversation: the definition of 'truth'. If we were talking empiricism, that wouldn't be an issue, but since it's existentialism, a truth relating to purpose of consciousness need not actually be 'true'.

However, as far as metaphysics is concerned, there's little I can add, as I lean decidedly towards ontology which deals with existence on a scale not covered by the individual. The conscious entity of a species, say, is easily explained through behavioural evolution. But, that's not your question.

Anyway, you could think of it like a cynic. Our position within the universe is not the universe's priority, hence we are here to cater to the needs and wants of nature, and not the other way around (basically, our purpose is to ensure the perpetuity of that which we are part i.e. the natural world). It works for some, but it is, objectively, insufficient.

Unfortunately, a lot of Hellenic philosophies (Cyrenaicism, Epicureanism, Aristotlianism etc. and indeed cynicism) rely on the acceptance of consciousness to justify purpose. Subsequent classical/enlightenment era philosophies deal primarily with interpersonal action, i.e. moral and ethical issues, but once again assumes the confirmation of conscious mind.

At its simplest, utilitarianism is probably the easiest to accept, but the reduction of human response to 'pain & pleasure' is again presumptive of conscious desire. Alternatively, you could screw the whole thing and subscribe to absurdism, though to be honest, I don't really get it.

The problem is similar to the chicken and egg question of which came first: consciousness (or rather, sentience); or desire? Because without one, the other is meaningless, even though both require justification to be able to validate 'purpose'. And even when this can be done, the 'meaning of life' can only be explained on individual levels by a coherent argument that is heavily dependent on context. Say for the sake of argument, you find meaning in your life (job, family etc.), this cannot be applied to 'life in general' because the transposition from 'meaning in life' to 'meaning of life' is impossible in this case.

Hence, sourcing consciousness requires what Kierkegaard coined as a 'leap to faith' which in this case, is the acknowledgement of the chaos and absurdity that is life. You, my friend, are of such a 'quality' that you require explanation of consciousness using pure logos without prior assumption beyond the physical and empirical. To be able to accept the idea, the 'leap' must be taken, the leap being understanding that an assumption needs to be made. While this does not apply to all concepts, this is one of those ones in which it is needed.

Sorry...
 

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We're all our own dreams and what we refer to as our existence is absurd. The only moral absolute is our own happiness.