Hadn't heard of the show, and it looks like it will never air over here. Explains a load of avatars I've seen around though.
What legal drug is this?
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ooh, legal highs, those things are dodgy man, I'll stick to my illegal drugs, I know where I'm going with those. But yeah, the only thing I can think of is synthetic weed, nasty stuff, leave it alone.
Could do with a description of the actual stuff, rather than just the colour of the packaging really though. Frankly, if you wanna get high, smoke some weed, you know what's up with that, new legal highs tend to have some whacked out side effects because they're brand new and no one's had time to conduct any proper research on how they work.
Could do with a description of the actual stuff, rather than just the colour of the packaging really though. Frankly, if you wanna get high, smoke some weed, you know what's up with that, new legal highs tend to have some whacked out side effects because they're brand new and no one's had time to conduct any proper research on how they work.
I personally love laughing at the blatant stupidity and failure on TV shows that fail on something I specialize in. It's just a bit sad that to me, that's usually just something about video games. Because I'm a nerd...Abandon4093 said:I dunno, I imagine that'd be like a doctor watching House.Vkmies said:Great show. Didn't show over here either, but I have my means.deathninja said:
Highly recommended, not to even mention that you might get an extra kick out of it, considering your profession and all.
Or any of us watching this.
Or this.
A drug ... that starts with p and comes in green packaging .... so you know not like no usefull information like whether it was a pill, a crystal what colour it was.
Drugs are bad m'kay ... It was proably just weed. (when a dude in a trench coat outside the back of Wendys says it's legal, it proably isn't)
Drugs are bad m'kay ... It was proably just weed. (when a dude in a trench coat outside the back of Wendys says it's legal, it proably isn't)
Well it's not exactly pleasant to eat, those alkaloids are mostly toxic, the one that is not very toxic is the mescaline itself and when you smoke it you can get more mescaline and less toxic shit that damages you.unoleian said:
As for the OP. People have said it before but don't do anything you don't know what it is, how the fuck are you supposed to know how much to do if you don't know what it is.
Bolox said:
So first off, may I quickly address the idea of a "legal" drug here? All of the compounds which are described as "legal" are actually better described as "grey market," meaning that they are not expressly illegal to possess or purchase, but they are illegal to consume.
Secondly, as someone who had the misfortune of being in on the first generation of these compounds, I'd like to issue you a little warning OP (or anyone else considering these compounds for that matter). JWH Family compounds started this new generation of synthetic drugs, and were popularized when people sprayed them onto the leaves of other plants to make them easily smokable (while dramatically marking up the price). Here's the thing though, these chemicals have a very limited history of human use, and both their short term and long term affects are unknown. They are commonly called RCs, that being an acronym for RESEARCH CHEMICALS.
If you haven't caught on to what I'm trying to warn you about yet, let me make it clear. We don't know what the hell the long or short term affects of these drugs are. John William Huffman, the scientist who synthesized the original chemicals, is on record as saying that he's bothered by the fact that anyone would have been stupid enough to use them recreationally. See drugs like tetrahydracanibanol (cannabis), mescaline (peyote), psilocybin and psylocin (magic mushrooms) have been used for centuries, and their affects are well documented. That is to say that you know what you get when you're going in. Hell even lysergic acid diethylmide (LSD) and MDMA (Ecstasy) have a good fifty years worth of research on their affects on the human mind and body.
The JWH class family of drugs behind the first generation of so called "synthetic marijuana" was around for only a couple years, and was not well researched during that time. But here's the catch, as much of a black box as JWH family drugs are, they're still not the pandoras box that is the current synthetic drugs market. See JWH family drugs were banned last year. Synthetic drug manufacturers, however, have become rather adept at synthesizing even newer compounds. There is a small but booming industry devoted to researching these chemicals, but since they're sold as incense or potpourri, and specifically labeled as being "not for human consumption" they don't have to pass FDA review, and they don't have to undergo rigorous health and safety testing. The people who make them test for only one thing, "will it get you high?"
The answer of course is that they will, and not only that, the newer ones will get you even higher. Their potential side affects also become more and more frightening. While none of the "synthetic marijuanas" have produced side affects as terrifying as those of the "bath salts" yet, you should understand that they are being produced by the same industry. The people who make these drugs don't give a shit what happens to you after you've handed your money over, and they're not going to waste their funds testing to make sure that you're safe.
As I mentioned before, I had the misfortune of participating in the first generation of "synthetic marijuana" products back when they were still legal, and I had myself quite the little habit going before finally having the experiences that convinced me it was time to quit. And don't misunderstand here, there were a hell of a lot of nightmare highs which came before my decision to quit, but I kept chasing the high anyways. If my recollection of time is correct (and there's a very good chance that it's not), I've been off the shit for over two years, and there are still days when I feel like I'm not back to normal. I've had to reconcile myself to the fact that because of my remarkably stupid decision I may very well have to deal with the side affects for the rest of my life.
But here's the thing, the stuff I was using is nowhere near as terrifying as the stuff that's out there today. I don't know why you want to find the name of the stuff you took, but unless it's so that you can know it's name when you swear never to take it again, let me advise you to stop looking. You have no idea just how far down the rabbit hole it'll take you, and when you come back there's a very good chance that you'll find you lost something important on the way.
Not sure if it's the one, but I have to generally advise you to stay the hell away from it.Bolox said:
Also, I am pretty sure it's by now illegal even in Arkansas, because stupid people considered it a fun drug, which it mostly certainly is not.
The majority of these "designer drugs" are pretty much the same substances you would find in (prescription) drugs, and recreational use can (and most probably will) lead to serious side effects, and - hefty - withdrawal symptoms can also be expected. Also, since anybody could have cooked them up, you really don't know what other random stuff you get in it. It's usually not free rainbows.
That said, you might actually be asking about PMZ/"Bonsai"/"Mr. Smiley", which is really Phenazepam, a substance prescribed for neurological disorders, such as epilepsy or sleep disorders, and it's been prescribed to lessen the symptoms of alcohol withdrawal. Funnily enough, side effects can include hiccups (yay), drowsiness (yay) and anterograde amnesia (not so yay), and even just the withdrawal symptoms can actually kill people, as it's basically a benzodiazepene. You know. The fun substance that can mess up your head, ruin your liver and kill you dead? That's the one.
In any case, it's not a recreational drug.
If that's the one you've been looking for - smoking it is very, very stupid and it's meanwhile a schedule I controlled substance in Arkansas, that's maybe why you find it hard to get it.
Legal drugs? We had etnobotanics in my country and they were the shit until people ended up in hospitals or worse. Apparently wiseguys put true heroin in them. Stay away from drugs and stay away from people using drugs, legal or not, or they'll drag you in too.
I'm fully aware of that, having myself used salvia, wormwood, valerian root, and kratom in my day. There are plenty of other legally obtained compounds, for instance food grade nitrous oxide, which one could consider legal drugs. Hell, even obvious ones like tobacco, caffeine, and alcohol are technically legal drugs. These compounds aren't what this discussion is about however.Abandon4093 said:
There are a couple of things that I would also point out here. First off, at least here in the US where I live, most of the compounds you mentioned are still labeled as "not for human consumption." If you buy salvia, wormwood, valarian root, or kratom... or any of the other enthogens like syrian rue, Egyptian blue lotus, mugwort, or amanita muscaria, this label places them solidly in that same "grey market" territory. They are legal to purchase and possess, but illegal to consume with the intent of getting high.
Others like nutmeg or nitrous oxide, while used in food products, are not intended to be consumed in such a way as to get someone high. And Lophophora Williamessi (the peyote cactus) is illegal to possess unless you're a member of the Native American church here.
Even forgetting those facts, while I may have used the term "legal drugs" too loosely, in the context of the conversation here regarding the synthetics my point still stands. I honestly find it a little perplexing that you'd even bother to point out a minor semantic error in a post intended primarily to warn people about the serious risks involved today's drug market.
Yeah, well - I'd rather handle a bit of Plutonium rolled into a sushi with TNT wasabi and black powder rice than make mercury fulminate. Let's just say that in reality, Walter White would have blown himself up about a thousand times before he magically turned the powder into those crystals, another thousand times when he picked that bag up and carried it around, and another dozen times when he was holding the bag. The stuff is well real, but it's easier to cook your own napalm.Abandon4093 said:
Oh, and another thing: Fumes are toxic. Mercury is toxic. If Walter White would have successfully pulled that off, everyone in that room would probably have an unhealthy dose of mercury poisoning, and cancer wouldn't be such an issue, since it would sooner or later be spread evenly.
It could be "Spice". It doesn't start with a P, but if someone was smoking it and forgot how to use the letter S it would sound like it started with a P. It's a synthesized compound supposed to be basically "legal weed". Some people I know say it's exactly like the high you get from smoking weed, but I tried it once and it just gave me a raging headache. It comes in small packets, and tends to be green or some variation on green (slight orange/yellow/blue tint depending on the brand/style). You can typically find it in head shops and such, and tends to be sold as incense/resin/whatever.
My advice - just stick with weed, that'll be legal (or at least decriminalized) within the next 10 years if people just stop hating on cancer patients, people with arthritis, the elderly, and the terminally ill.
My advice - just stick with weed, that'll be legal (or at least decriminalized) within the next 10 years if people just stop hating on cancer patients, people with arthritis, the elderly, and the terminally ill.
I suppose you make a valid point, but if I may point out, your being from the UK, the drug scene here in America is such that it's highly improbable that he smoked anything but one of the many synthetic drugs that've been rampant here. I don't know what the situation is like in the UK, but there are a small army of companies here distributing synthesized chemicals sprayed onto leaves, and the products have become wildly popular.Abandon4093 said:
Most drugs in the entheogenic category to which you were referencing have an extremely limited user base, and it's highly unlikely he'd have come into contact with one without knowing what it is. The vast majority of the legal entheogens (or at least those that one might smoke) are pretty mild in effect, and tend to be sought out only by drug connoisseurs or psychonauts, people who have enough experience with altered states that they can perceive the nuanced changes that they produce. Those that aren't mild at all tend to run the opposite side of the spectrum, being far too potent for the casual user. Salvia for instance has a potency 100 times that of LSD, and is not common amongst casual users because the experience is simply too much. Other legal plants like datura, mandrake, and morning glories/hawiian baby woodrose (none of which are smoked) are both overly potent and rather toxic, so that again they only attract the sort of crowd desperate enough for something new that they'll take some serious risks.
In addition, his description of the drug as coming in a green bag is highly suggestive of it being one of the synthetics. Since the drugs are frequently sold in head shops, they tend to be sold in colored bags and have decorative logos meant to attract attention. Compare this to the enthogens, which are uncommon in head shops, and tend only to be ordered online. All the distributors I've ever seen have used sandwich bags with very simple labels that contain the name of the plant (both common and scientific in most cases) and the warning that it is not for human consumption. They wouldn't need a fancy green bag, because anyone who's likely to buy one of them over here already knows what they're looking for.
My point is that I was so quick to rule out the possibility of its being anything but one of the synthetics that I forgot anything else had even the remotest of possibilities. Now granted, that is still an assumption, and there is always the chance that I am wrong, but I'd feel very confident placing a bet on the OP having smoked one of the synthetics. Also, in case you couldn't tell from my general arrogance regarding the topic, this is one of my areas of expertise, and while it's certainly possible that I might have a glaring area of ignorance, I'm rather certain that if an enthogen starting with a "P" had caught on for demonstrating reliably potent effects, I would know of it. To summarize, the chance that it wasn't a synthetic is, in my admittedly not so humble opinion, so remote that it ought to be discounted.