What little things in a game can make you say "No Buy?"

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immortalfrieza

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After I found out that Tales of Hearts R isn't getting dubbed into english, it inspired me to make this thread. To put it simply, for you what so called little problems with a game bother you to the point it keeps you from wanting to pay full price for it? I don't mean you won't get it on a Steam sale someday or rent it or something, just something about the game itself that keeps you from buying right at full price, other than the price itself.

For me, as you can probably guess from the first sentence it's not dubbing a game that relies heavily on voice acting into english. I don't know about everybody else, but I find that even a very bad english dub improves a game significantly, by allowing me to get much more invested into a story and characters. By contrast, NO voice acting when there's supposed to be or much worse leaving in the foreign voice acting makes a game significantly less than it would otherwise be. For that reason I never buy any game that lacks voice acting or has foreign voice acting in anything less than the bargain bin, if at all, since I always rent everything first before I buy it anyway.

Take Tales of Hearts R for instance. This is a particular strong blow for me because I consider the Tales series to be one of the best game series ever made, with every game outdoing the previous one. The stories are brilliant, the characters well developed, the combat fun and engaging, and the english voice actors easily the best I've ever seen anywhere, no contest. To hear that Namco is half-assing this one really hurts, because from what I've otherwise heard about it without this one detail it would probably be just as good as the rest of the series. However, no english voice acting is REALLY going to drag it down, more so because Japanese voice acting is HORRIBLE across the board, and still would be even if I understood it. I've never heard Japanese voice acting in my life that even comes close to the worst of english voice acting.

I'll probably get Hearts eventually, but I'll get it in the bargain bin used just so Namco doesn't get any of my money for it and turn the voices off.
 

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Ohh, ohhh, i got one!

Remember that first preview of Watch Dogs that had everyone creaming themselves in anticipation?

This one:


The second Aiden and... what was his name, Johnny I think, started talking to each other, at about 07:50 in the video, I was fucking done with that game.

It's trying so painfully hard to make them seem tough and edgy and baaadaaass, but it just makes them seem like humourless posturing schoolboys. Within seconds I knew that whoever made that scene was incapable of making a game remotely interesting to me.

Now that the game is out and done with, I would just like to say... fucking called it.
 

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When I see micro transactions for in game advantages I turn around and walk back out the door I came in by, there's just no justification for that anti-customer business model.
 

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Fireaxe said:
When I see micro transactions for in game advantages I turn around and walk back out the door I came in by, there's just no justification for that anti-customer business model.
Yeah this. I'm no fan of micro transactions. Mind you I'll allow it in free to play but something I already payed for? No.
 

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With me it's the opposite - if a Japanese game is dubbed to English but I don't have the option of listening to the original audio (with Eng subs) I'd rather just not get it. As a Spanish-speaker, English dubs of Japanese stuff sound awful to me.
 

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Online verification of any kind. (Steam, origin, etc)
MP and MMO games are excepted naturally.
 

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escort missions, if any game looks like it revolves around protecting someone, that pretty much turns me right off of the game, that's the main reason I never completed RE 4.

Games where the escort are invincible (Bioshock: Infinite) or so tough its almost impossible to kill them (Half-life 2 episodes) are the exceptions to my hatred of escort missions.
 

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Fireaxe said:
When I see micro transactions for in game advantages I turn around and walk back out the door I came in by, there's just no justification for that anti-customer business model.
EA are complete bastards for this.

I bought Most Wanted 2012 and almost every second car you find at a jack-spot is 'Buy the NFS Heroes Pack'. And then they locked off the Airport map in a different pack. I LOATHE EA for this and they won't stop doing it because consumers are morons. They did it with Dragon Age: Origins (remember the DLC guy in camp?) they do it in everything they release now, and it's disgusting.

So...yeah, microtransactions and forced DLC pimping is a huge black mark.

Multiplayer achievements can die in a fire. This is absolute bollocks IMO and screws over so many of us compulsive completionists. I will never 100% Tomb Raider 2013, Dead Island, or any other game which has multiplayer achievements.
 

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Fieldy409 said:
Fireaxe said:
When I see micro transactions for in game advantages I turn around and walk back out the door I came in by, there's just no justification for that anti-customer business model.
Yeah this. I'm no fan of micro transactions. Mind you I'll allow it in free to play but something I already payed for? No.
This. Or day one DLC.
 

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Subscription for any game other than WoW. If you're an mmo and charging sub, good chance that you're a WoW clone and probably doing a worse job than wow. Might as well play WoW. Also, expansions and pay to win micro transactions. SC 2 prime example of the expansions part
 

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If a female character that partakes in combat wears heels. Pretty much rules out 99% of Eastern games. Also the biggest dealbreaker in Divinity: Original Sin.

Horrible UI kills a game for me as well. Didn't even get to truly sample gameplay in, ESO, Archeage and Tera because the UIs are absolute garbage. Just Copy WoW, for christ's sake people.

And also in contrary to the OP, if an Eastern game has forced English dubs, I'll likely refuse to play it. The FF10 HD remake is the only exception; I was going to play it muted as a compromise, but dammit Nobuo's musical talents are way too good for that.
 

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Subscription for any game other than WoW. If you're an mmo and charging sub, good chance that you're a WoW clone and probably doing a worse job than wow. Might as well play WoW. Also, expansions and pay to win micro transactions. SC 2 prime example of the expansions part
What is wrong with expansions?

Sometimes a game is not perfect, and the devs feel that there is stuff they want to add that is simply not feasible to do for free - but not sufficient for a sequel. Far too often we see DLC masquerading as an expansion pack (sure!) but if I think of some 'good' expansions like Titan Quest: Immortal Throne...

SC2 was always planned as a trilogy. Yes, Blizzard charges too much for their games. That's a different issue.

And as for MMOs - not every MMO needs to be WoW. One of my favorites is DC Universe Online (a WAY better game since release). It charges a sub for premium content, but is constantly updated and is very deep and involving, has fantastic voice acting and is an all round excellent game.
 

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Platform exclusive content - So I'm expected to pay the same price but receive less content just because I happen to own an Xbox instead of a Playstation?Yeah no thanks
 

prpshrt

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Starbird said:
What is wrong with expansions?

Sometimes a game is not perfect, and the devs feel that there is stuff they want to add that is simply not feasible to do for free - but not sufficient for a sequel. Far too often we see DLC masquerading as an expansion pack (sure!) but if I think of some 'good' expansions like Titan Quest: Immortal Throne...

SC2 was always planned as a trilogy. Yes, Blizzard charges too much for their games. That's a different issue.

And as for MMOs - not every MMO needs to be WoW. One of my favorites is DC Universe Online (a WAY better game since release). It charges a sub for premium content, but is constantly updated and is very deep and involving, has fantastic voice acting and is an all round excellent game.
Was typing on my phone so didn't explain as much as I should have regarding the expansion part :\

What I meant to say was expansions like with diablo and starcraft that pretty much kill the community in the previous versions of the game. Blizzard single handedly killed starcraft by doing the whole trilogy expansion thing because people were reluctant to pay $40 for roughly 5 new units and a short campaign.
 

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immortalfrieza said:
I don't mean you won't get it on a Steam sale someday or rent it or something, just something about the game itself that keeps you from buying right at full price, other than the price itself.
Assuming full price here means the standard big company £40+ well... er... being that price :']

I simply cannot justify spending that much money on games. It's simply far too much of my income in any given month and I just don't enjoy games enough to justify it, silly as that may sound considering the site we're on. I mean, it's enough that I wouldn't go without food or heating or whathaveyou, but I wouldn't be able to afford *any* other entertainment. I'd rather buy music or books or cheaper games or go to the cinema.

But if I did have the money to spend that much on a game, I probably still wouldn't bother if the game was both an exceptionally short length and cinematic/story heavy. I don't mind short games as long as the gameplay style makes it easy and fun to replay, but if something is really set-piece or narrative heavy it would need to be truly, truly exceptional to be worth £40 if it were, like, 4 hours long. Vanquish is worth the money because you can get hundreds of hours of fun out of it, because you can just load it up and blast away for a bit. But as much as I enjoyed it, if I'd paid full price for Spec-Ops: The LIne I wouldn't have been too happy with my decision.
 

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Micro trans, Platform exclusive content, Day 1 DLC, F2P instantly turns me off most games besides TF2, P2W, premium DLC (Looking at you battlefield).

Basically a lot of the current trends the industry throws at us and I can't say i care for any of them, I'd rather wait for a sale where the game and all it's DLC is super cheap, I did it with Skyrim and other games, I'm rather patient and like to see how some games turn out after some time so I can wait for some games to become cheap because I'm not a fan of paying £40-70-100 up front for any game, kinda why I completely skip collector editions because they are always so expensive and hardly worth it for me.
 

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Recently been concerned about the latest trend of encouraging people to pre-order DLC content. Before the game is even released.