I'm wondering what people on here think is the line that someone must cross to become truly irredeemable, the point at which you think a person should be killed. So, fire away.
What makes a person irredeemable?
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I don't really believe in concepts like morality and redemption. I mean, I'm not about to go commit a genocide, but anyone is capable of doing so.
From a wholly rational stand point it's no different from a leaf falling, or a star blowing up. Just atoms moving. No one should be killed, but it's going to happen. And redemption... Well, if you kill someone there's nothing you can do to change that.
From a wholly rational stand point it's no different from a leaf falling, or a star blowing up. Just atoms moving. No one should be killed, but it's going to happen. And redemption... Well, if you kill someone there's nothing you can do to change that.
When somebody does something bad and everybody tries to top each other screaming "He should be killed" "No, he should be killed twice" "No, he should be tortured, killed, then tortured again and then killed and his ashes then stomped upon!" just like kindergarten children.
That kind of had to explain for me. I guess in my view for a person to be irredeemable is the person attitude and shown lack of remorse or reason. There one frictional character I can think of who I find irredeemable at the moment.
Ok at this point he is still on hell bent on destorying Konoha village just because of the massacre to his clan. Despite learning who are the true culprits (the Village Elders and Danzo) for the cause of the massacre but he still insist on killing everyone living there who know nothing and had no involvement in it at all. It's like trying to killed a German citizen for the genocide in WW2.
In my view he had pretty much lost all reasons to even carry out his plan and is pretty much a crazed man since even if he suceed at destorying village, it will not bring back his clan at all nor will it restore his clan glory, more like showing his clan are just as crazy as he is.
It doesn't help the fact that his personality had competely gone AWOL when he ditch his team Hawk and also attempted murder at Karin aswell.
In my view he had pretty much lost all reasons to even carry out his plan and is pretty much a crazed man since even if he suceed at destorying village, it will not bring back his clan at all nor will it restore his clan glory, more like showing his clan are just as crazy as he is.
It doesn't help the fact that his personality had competely gone AWOL when he ditch his team Hawk and also attempted murder at Karin aswell.
The point at which he is trying to kill me or someone else whom I have reason to believe is not threatening his life. At that moment, he is irredeemable. Yet, if he drops the gun (or whatever), he is redeemable again.Froggy Slayer said:
Redemption and damnation are not permanent states of being.
I'm not going to say he's worthy of death but he is truly beyond redemption in my books. My Sister's husband admitted to cheating. They split for 4 months, got back together and everyone forgave him. Then he did it again. He just ceased caring about her and the children she bore for him. It sickens me.
Never letting that slimeball into my family again. Divorce proceedings next month.
Never letting that slimeball into my family again. Divorce proceedings next month.
Hmm. I've thought about this many, many times before funnily enough. I've come to various answers, limits, what have you. Ultimately though I don't think anybody is truly irredeemable, baring pure insanity in which case you're not actually seeing them, you're seeing the condition. If you can cure that, they may very well be redeemed.
No one is irredeemable, but some people must be stopped. Monsters are things we make up to making the actions we must resort to easier.
then at no point was he really irredeemable, as that means 'not redeemable'. If he can be redeemed if he drops the gun, then he is redeemable, he just has to begin with losing the gun. it just seems to be a misuse of the term irredeemable.JimB said:
I know someone who raped a friend of mine, and was never brought to light.Matthew94 said:
Do I get points for not pushing him in front of a bus when I had the opportunity?