What makes a person irredeemable?
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I would not link redeemability of people with my own willingness to kill them. In my mind, everyone, just by virtue of being human, is always redeemable. However, when I would kill a person is another matter. To me, when dealing with someone that is spiritually dead (which still doesn't mean irredeemable), it's not that big of a deal for me to extend that state to their flesh for them; perhaps when they are threatening the lives of my loved ones, for example.Froggy Slayer said:
When their continued existence becomes directly contrary to my survival instinct. When they honestly give me no other choice but to kill them if I, or my loved ones, want to continue breathing. That is the point when they deserve to die from my perspective. Although to be honest, even then they don't really 'deserve' it. That's just the point when I start to value my own life over theirs.
I'm not sure I can express just how much it pisses me off when I hear people say stuff like "X person did Y bad thing. He/she shouldn't be breathing our air" as if air is a precious and painfully finite resource that we must only share out among the deserving.
Revenge killings, legally sanctioned or not, achieve nothing; and what's the point in even having 'Justice' if it's not working towards achieving something greater than the current situation. When you kill someone, you remove all possibility of redemption, rehabilitation and compensation, if ever it existed (but I've never actually seen anyone with the kind of credentials to state that it never did endorse such action, make of that what you will); nothing is gained or learned; the guilty party isn't even really punished (most deaths are quick, and once you're dead, you don't have the consciousness to be sour or sorry about anything); and the people you really end up hurting are the guilty party's loved ones, who most likely didn't do anything to you and are now only more likely to seek revenge of their own, perpetuating the vicious cycle. This is without even touching on the possibility of you getting it wrong, and killing an innocent in your righteous anger at crimes they didn't commit.
I'm not sure I can express just how much it pisses me off when I hear people say stuff like "X person did Y bad thing. He/she shouldn't be breathing our air" as if air is a precious and painfully finite resource that we must only share out among the deserving.
Revenge killings, legally sanctioned or not, achieve nothing; and what's the point in even having 'Justice' if it's not working towards achieving something greater than the current situation. When you kill someone, you remove all possibility of redemption, rehabilitation and compensation, if ever it existed (but I've never actually seen anyone with the kind of credentials to state that it never did endorse such action, make of that what you will); nothing is gained or learned; the guilty party isn't even really punished (most deaths are quick, and once you're dead, you don't have the consciousness to be sour or sorry about anything); and the people you really end up hurting are the guilty party's loved ones, who most likely didn't do anything to you and are now only more likely to seek revenge of their own, perpetuating the vicious cycle. This is without even touching on the possibility of you getting it wrong, and killing an innocent in your righteous anger at crimes they didn't commit.
I think those are two separate issues. I don't think anyone is truly irredeemable unless they do not desire redemption. Anyone can change if they want to, one way or another. However, some people don't want to change, and frankly, some people don't deserve the chance. So I believe vicious murderers and rapists deserve to be killed for their crimes, along with true pedophiles.
Being Jared Leto.
Bludgeoning baby seals with other baby seals whilst anally raping their mother whilst spit roasting her and tearing off the crackling whilst progressively crushing a bag full of puppies under your foot.
Giving birth to Jared ducking Leto!
Bludgeoning baby seals with other baby seals whilst anally raping their mother whilst spit roasting her and tearing off the crackling whilst progressively crushing a bag full of puppies under your foot.
Giving birth to Jared ducking Leto!
Sooo...when a person becomes a nihilist?CODE-D said:
OP:Unprovoked genocide seems pretty irredeemable.
No such thing, since if "irredeemable" existed, the opposite would have to exist too - and I am not comfortable with a concept of someone being untouchable no matter how much bad stuff they do by virtue of having done something exceedingly good in the past.
No-one is iredeemable. Everyone can find redemption through death or sacrifice, no matter how grave their crime.
A mass murderer is redeemed when they die, they just have to pay a bit more for their crimes than a petty thief. I can't hold a grudge against a corpse. Though it is preferable that those who have caused a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering for others die a suitably painful death, it will be easier to forgive them and stroke their skull in affectionate rumination.
A mass murderer is redeemed when they die, they just have to pay a bit more for their crimes than a petty thief. I can't hold a grudge against a corpse. Though it is preferable that those who have caused a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering for others die a suitably painful death, it will be easier to forgive them and stroke their skull in affectionate rumination.
