What MMO if any...will dethrone WoW as the ruler of them all?
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It's mostly been said, but people don't want to lose the characters they have invested so much time in in wow, and they have a social network there that is hard to let go off as well. Wow doesn't realy release any 'new' content to their game, and at some point that has to be their downfall. So far every expansion has just been to increase the level cap, open some new land areas and remake some dungeons/raids. Part of the problem could be that wow was created by looking at what works in other mmo's, and adding all those things into one game. However, lately mmo's that have been released have been pretty bad and not very innovative. So there is nothing for wow to steal. You could say that rift is not bad, and while that is true, they did the same thing that wow did. They didn't realy try to make something new, they just took what worked in other games and added to their own.
I can't say what will I can say what won't for certain however sure as hell isn't going to be SWTOR really is looking like wow with lightsabres. Guild Wars 2 wont but it may take a subscriber chunk even just by virtue of tapping into it's old market as the only real good free MMORPG series.
WoW will dethrone itself.
Over time.
It more or less always happens, and you end up in an EQ1 or Anarchy Online situation where the game just declined over time as they ran out of bad guys to kill and ideas for more bad guys to kill, they'd already killed their entire pantheon of copypaste deities, and everything just seems stale as hell.
It'll probably run for the next 30 years on small subscription # near the end before it finally gets fully shut off.
Over time.
It more or less always happens, and you end up in an EQ1 or Anarchy Online situation where the game just declined over time as they ran out of bad guys to kill and ideas for more bad guys to kill, they'd already killed their entire pantheon of copypaste deities, and everything just seems stale as hell.
It'll probably run for the next 30 years on small subscription # near the end before it finally gets fully shut off.
TOR will suck. Simply because a developer who's only experience is dialogue ridden single player games will try to force a dialogue ridden singleplayer rpg. For instance, voice acted quest dialogue is a prime example of missing the point.
Games like Rift will see soon after release that their subs have all disappeared and servers will have to be shut down.
WoW's only major upcoming competitor , as far as mmorpgs go, is Guild Wars 2. Due to the fact that guild wars creates an actual campaign, as opposed to a structured grind, for its pve content, it has an advantage. Combine that advantage with the fact that guild wars removes gear as a requirement from pvp, and you have a glimmer of hope for success.
Games like Rift will see soon after release that their subs have all disappeared and servers will have to be shut down.
WoW's only major upcoming competitor , as far as mmorpgs go, is Guild Wars 2. Due to the fact that guild wars creates an actual campaign, as opposed to a structured grind, for its pve content, it has an advantage. Combine that advantage with the fact that guild wars removes gear as a requirement from pvp, and you have a glimmer of hope for success.
No one game is going to dethrone WoW. If anything it's going to be a combination of multiple MMO's that might take, maybe 20% of WoW's fanbase, but ALL those MMO's have to be excellent.AnythingOutstanding said:
Blizzard have dug themselves the most sophisticated trench in the world. On one side, other MMO's. On the other, it's fanbase.
No one was effectively competing at the time of WoW's release and Blizzard seized the opportunity. Now it's impossible to dethrone; it's a cultural phenomenon if anything.
I don't think SWTOR is better quality. If anything, it's a worse version of WoW and few WoW player will leave to play the same game when they've already got a really high level character. It might take 10% of its fanbase, but from what I'm seeing of GW2, if they market it right, it will do almost as well as SWTOR in the long run.
The only reason SWTOR will sell will be because it's Star Wars, but I think it'll just bring in new players, not necessarilly WoW players. Guild Wars 2, if anything, might be the one MMO that can match WoW and provide something dazzling and engaging that's also different. THAT might bring in WoW players who want something different and are tired of WoW, because the GW2 community will be a new one; tactics will need to be completely re-thought, as it's not simply the case of utilising the holy trinity of Tank/Dps/Healer anymore and the idea of forming Guilds in what is essentially a new sub genre of MMO's is more appealing to me anyway, than making a Guild in a world where all the rules are the same as WoW and the only difference is the Star Wars coat of paint.
I think it's not going to happen.gustcq said:
Pretty much every genre has a top dog, generally speaking it comes along early-ish in the genre's life and then it sticks around. It gets momentum and player numbers behind it, then a community, then over time accessability as it gets cheaper and runs on a wider variety of hardware.
RTS games have Star Craft, even Star Craft 2 couldn't knock it off it's perch.
FPS games have Counter Strike. More people play 1.6 and Source than any other FPS, including the ones on consoles.
Nobody even bothers trying to dethrone MS Flightsim these days.
World of Warcraft is that game for the MMO. We're five plus years in with it and it's still steadily growing, getting new content and new users. Even if it levels out or declines, it's so big that no other MMO can realistically dethrone it.
Of course, the console boys get around this by killing off games. Pre-kill switch it was Halo 2, which was still kicking in well north 500'000 players per day and could have up to 30k at any one time. CoD4 is holding up pretty well, so maybe that's the next one, until the update comes to stop you playing it.
This question has been asked 100 times in the last year. I've given the same response in every one of them. There is no MMO that can dethrone WoW except for Blizzard's next project "Titan". Blizzard is really the only developer with enough income to create a game that could rival WoW.
Remember, you aren't just taking on WoW when it was released, you're taking on WoW with an additional 6+ years of development time, improvements, and additional content. That is insurmountable for anyone but Blizzard.
I think The Old Republic will do very well, but I seriously doubt it can pull in even half the subscription numbers that WoW does in it's first 2 years. That's still VERY successful, as far as profits go.
Remember, you aren't just taking on WoW when it was released, you're taking on WoW with an additional 6+ years of development time, improvements, and additional content. That is insurmountable for anyone but Blizzard.
I think The Old Republic will do very well, but I seriously doubt it can pull in even half the subscription numbers that WoW does in it's first 2 years. That's still VERY successful, as far as profits go.
I would rather have a good player base than MASS player base because WoW only really has MASS and not generally good. Or so I hear on some servers. The server I played was pretty decent and people would help me out if I needed it and they were doing the same thing.KefkaCultist said:
To beat WOW, you have to change the game; something RIFT never did. And by changing the game I mean getting rid of the stupid click-cast spell-repeat, which a HORRIBLE mechanic, 80% of the combat in WOW is dry and uninteresting (with the exception of a few bosses(which blizz continued to make easier and easier.) and PvP, but those didn't last long enough for me imo.)
