What "new" car should I get?

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Elijah Ball

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I could probably afford a decent car, but no Rolls Royce's or Lamborghini's.

I've been thinking Dodge Challenger for a while now, but I just don't know. I've also been considering the Scion TC. And the Scion FR-S look pretty awesome.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/scion-fr-s-concept-new-york-2011/
 

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Something with decent mileage. When gas hits $5 a gallon again (and you know it will) you'll be happy you did.

Also, yeah, the dodge challenger is a fucking awesome car, but I still wouldn't recommend getting it. It only gets 16 miles to the gallon, and truthfully no one needs as much horse power as it has. It's an ego boost car. You'll love it until you have to spend $100 to fill up the tank every 2 weeks.

Personally at this point I would go with a hybrid. Lexus is making some pretty awesome hybrids right now, you should check them out. Also, you can never go wrong with a mini cooper.
 

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Yeah, I drive a four cylinder hatchback and think it's the best thing ever. If you want cost effectiveness I'd say check out the current awards and find the car that's winning the lowest running costs, for both fuel and parts. That's how I ended up with a Hyundai Getz back in 2007.
 

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if your a mechanic then you probably wouldn't be posting here because you know what yous want so here is a brief rundown of nations cars

Europe = reliable, but fucking expensive parts (im assuming your in America)
America = shit. they break all the time and what ever good mileage you get will be offset by the shit quality and constant repairs (some cars only get 2000 miles before they need new engines)
Asian = good cars reliable as hell and easy to repair also parts are cheeeeeap

if you want gas mileage get a Volkswagen 3cylinder desil (60mile/gallon) not sure if they exist in America or else get a toyota echo or corolla

all cars have decent sound systems but Honda has the worst and Toyota has the best

but if you want looks over all of that then disregard that and but what you think is beautiful (example)http://www.freedesktopwallpaper.org/backgrounds/Nissan-GTR-R35-Vspec-862440.jpeg and go enjoy it

if you want fun buy a standard. fast cars are nothing if they are automatics

i drive a Toyota corolla and its fucking awesome ('96 and i blast the stock stereo every day at full blast and it still works)
 

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Why are your options either a Challenger or a Scion?

We need your definition of decent to properly answer. Here's my perspective:

About six months ago, my obligatory beater of a first car finally died. I used my car for work, so I needed one fast. A Toyota dealership in the area was doing a sale on new 2010 models, so I got a no money down lease on a 2010 Corolla @ $300 a month, including gap insurance. Aside from running like any 2010 rightfully should, my favorite thing about this car is that I get 25 MPG (I could get better, but I have a habit of speeding and I drive a lot of city miles) and there is an AUX jack so I can plug an iPod into it no problem. I can afford the monthly payment, it is a really nice car for a 20-year-old, and it does what I need it to. This is what I consider a decent purchase.
 

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Nooneishome said:
if your a mechanic then you probably wouldn't be posting here because you know what yous want so here is a brief rundown of nations cars

Europe = reliable fucking expensive parts (im assuming your in America)
America = shit they break all the time and what ever good mileage you get will be offset by the shit quality and constant repairs
Asian = good cars reliable as hell and easy to repair also parts are cheeeeeap

if you want gas mileage get a Volkswagen 3cylinder desil (60mile/gallon) not sure if they exist in America or else get a toyota echo or corolla

all cars have decent sound systems but Honda has the worst and Toyota has the best

but if you want look then disregard that and but what you think is beautiful (example)http://www.freedesktopwallpaper.org/backgrounds/Nissan-GTR-R35-Vspec-862440.jpeg and go enjoy it

if you want fun buy a standard. fast cars are nothing if they are automatics

i drive a Toyota corolla and its fucking awesome ('96 and i blast the stock stereo every day at full blast and it still works)
Corolla bro here too, man. Mine's 2010, but I recently upgraded from an '87 Camry, which also had a decent sound system. The one that came in the Corolla is fucking BOSS though. The bass absolutely BOOMS just as much as I need it too without overkilling it like a goddamn subwoofer.

My only two cars ever have been Toyota, and I highly recommend the brand. Especially older ones because they're super reliable and easy to fix. My alternator cost $40 and was held in by maybe three bolts at most. My friend had a Volvo and she had to pay $400 after parts and labor for her alternator. :p
 

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If you care about mileage and want a new car, see if you can find something small and diesel. I'm not sure which ones have or have not come to the states yet, but when I lived in Germany, a new diesel beetle was getting better than 80mpg. Compared to a Prius, that's greener than fresh lettuce (but then, so is my 19 year old Suzuki 1L).
Aside from very small economy cars or high-end sports cars, I wouldn't recommend anything less than 27 years old, though.
 

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If your buying new... Domestic, domestic, domestic.

If used, I personally only buy dodge simply because I have had more luck with them than anything else.
 

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Wait a few years for them to get cheaper/better and then buy one of these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_i_MiEV
 

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I take it since your other option of a scion it means you're looking at a V6 Challenger. Those things are a betrayal to their heritage. I have a SRT8 version and while it's fantastic, it's thirsty and expensive. Sure the V6 versions are cheaper and somewhat ecconomic, they still weight quite a bit and there's better options out there. If I was looking for an affordable car with good gas milage, I'd look at a VW Golf. Good looking cars, that sip gas, and are well made.
 

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RAKtheUndead said:
Dirty Hipsters said:
Personally at this point I would go with a hybrid. Lexus is making some pretty awesome hybrids right now, you should check them out. Also, you can never go wrong with a mini cooper.
I wrote this a couple of years ago. I believe it to still apply.

RAKtheUndead said:
Petrol-Electric Hybrid Cars Are Just Ridiculous: I move onto an issue which is more in line with most people's normal lives. The hybrid car is one of those new technologies which various car manufacturers are trying to push forward. In this age of ever-decreasing petrol reserves, any sort of efficient alternative to the reciprocating petrol engine would be a step in the right direction. Whatever the alternative happens to be, though, I doubt it's going to be the petrol-electric hybrid.

My feelings towards the petrol-electric hybrid is that it's a marketing exercise, a way to make people feel better about the planet without actually having to do anything. The problem is that it doesn't work that way. The petrol-electric car isn't particularly more efficient than its petrol alternatives, and is, when practical tests of efficiency are used, often less efficient than an equivalent diesel engine.

A petrol-electric hybrid works on simple principles. Along with a standard, albeit usually low-power, reciprocating petrol engine, it has a secondary electric motor, which propels the car at low speeds, with the petrol engine taking over at higher speeds. The electric system is usually recharged by regenerative braking, a way to convert the kinetic energy of a car into electrical energy, or, when the batteries run out of power, by an alternator powered by the petrol engine.

Such a system is very complex, and with complexity comes weight. Weight, as anyone who remembers the first point will have realised, is one of the enemies of car design, particularly when it comes to speed. So, hybrid cars aren't particularly quick, but then, when you're driving a car like a hybrid, I don't suppose that speed is your main objective. But weight also leads to lower fuel economy, which means at high speeds where the electric engine is unable to keep up, it's at a decided disadvantage versus more conventional cars.

So, let's take a closer look at the fuel economy of the hybrid. A car like the Toyota Prius gets a fuel economy of about 65mpg (imperial), according to official UK statistics. That's pretty good, actually, but it would be a lot more impressive if the Volkswagen Polo Bluemotion (a diesel) didn't get figures more akin to 80mpg. The official statistics don't tell the full story either - according to more practical tests by What Car? Magazine in the UK, the Toyota Prius can only get about 50mpg when driven in a normal fashion, which starts to put it down near a series of more powerful and larger diesel engines, let alone the Polo Bluemotion, which could probably call upon a 70-75mpg fuel economy with practical use.

Actually, petrol-electric cars aren't particularly good for the environment either. Because the Toyota Prius has components sourced from all around the world, and isn't even built in the American or European factories, they have to ship the cars around the world, probably causing more emissions than they'll ever save by virtue of their hybrid engines.


Helping to kill polar bears, one misguided fool at a time.

Then, there's those batteries. They've got a limited lifespan, somewhere on the region of eight years. This doesn't hold up well compared to conventional cars. European and Japanese cars in Europe often last for more than a decade, with my own car being twelve years old. Certain collector's sports cars, particularly a car like the MG B, could last much longer. Many of them are now thirty or more years old. Because it's not cost-effective to replace the batteries in an eight-year-old hybrid, the whole car will be scrapped, and it is for that reason that a Toyota Prius is considered to be more damaging to the environment over its lifetime than a Land Rover Discovery.

"But my favourite celebrity drives a Toyota Prius," you might say. Well, obviously, there's a problem with that sort of reasoning. When it comes to matters of automobiles, celebrities are more often than not very ignorant as to how a car works. Go and ask somebody like Leonardo di Caprio how a catalytic converter or a gearbox works.

Well, maybe you'll have a hard time getting in contact with him. Now, there are celebrities who know a lot about cars, people like Jay Leno and Rowan Atkinson, and a few very talented racers in the set, including the late Steve McQueen and Paul Newman. Do you know what sorts of cars they drive? Big V8 or V12 supercars, not pokey little milk floats with stupid hybrid engines. The fact that so many celebrities seem to be driving cars like the Prius and the horrible, abominable, disgusting REVA G-Wiz is precisely because they want to be looked at as having done something to save the planet without actually having to realise that they'd have done a lot more by buying a diesel.

At this point, it might look as I've completely shrugged off the hybrid as a possibility altogether, but surprisingly, I haven't. There is still one hybrid technology that I think might have some practical benefits, and I'm surprised that it wasn't developed sooner. All you have to do is replace the petrol engine with a diesel engine, and you get the diesel-electric hybrid. It's more difficult to produce, but suddenly, the fuel economy goes from 65mpg to somewhere over 100mpg. That sounds a lot better, doesn't it?

(Currently, Vauxhall are looking at a concept for a diesel-electric hybrid that can theoretically get 170mpg, but of course, being attached to General Motors doesn't help the chances of that technology being developed any time soon.)
You would have a great argument here if

1. I drove a hybrid because I care about the environment (which I don't, so I really don't care that it's not doing anything about global warming and saving the polar bears and all that crap).

2. Diesel cars were easy to get in the US and diesel gas stations weren't harder to find than a celebrity who wears panties.

3. I wasn't mostly stuck in traffic on the 405 freeway every day and therefore mostly using the electric engine.