What property would you like to see made into a western animated series?

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Thaluikhain

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Mikeybb said:
Truely spoken regarding the danger of scope.
It's a big universe and it'd be hard to fit it all in.
Perhaps Caphias Caine would be a better choice?
He and his ever filthy assistant do tend to get into all kinds of mischief with all kinds of different folks.
There'd be a wider ranger of content within it.
Dunno, for me, Cain is a one-joke character stretched over an entire series and got very tired very fast. Having said that, an actual plot happens in "Caves of Ice", which would have been much better if not for the attempts at humour and Cain pretending he's just another boring hero, but really he's a coward. Only he really is just another boring hero underneath.

Mikeybb said:
Granted there'd be some accusations of "this is just blackadder in 40k."
To which the answer is "yeah, but this is BLACKADDER in 40k!"
Then, as that fact slowly sunk it, there would be much rejoicing.
Flashman more than Blackadder. Though, with footnotes, rather than endnotes, which is a plus. And without all the interesting parts of Flashman (the extensively researched history, and the awful hero).

Also...doing a Blackadder style comedy well would be difficult (IMHO, Blackadder failed at this at times, including almost the entire first series), could very easily turn out painfully bad.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Now, I absolutely agree that far too many 40k books are just describing the cover art, that's a good way of putting it, and Abnett does stand out for going a bit further than that. Just, while he is very good at coming up with set piece and locations, he's not particularly interested in making them fit the established 40k universe, or even anything else he's established in his other stories. Occasionally not even the other parts of the same book. He comes up with memorable places and ideas that don't fit together into any greater context, they could just as easily be set in any other generic sci-fi universe.
Thank you! Seriously, take Gaunt Ghosts right? Replace Imperial Guard with Rebels and replace Chaos Mutants with Empire.
Now its a story about a planet that is invaded by the Empire right after the being recruiting for the Rebels and Gaunt and his Ghosts must fight a gorilla war against the occupying Empire and try to get off world to regroup with other Rebels. And if you really want to work it, change the idea of Chaos psykers and witches to Sith Acolytes.

Its a perfect Star Wars plot and all you need to change is two or three titles.

I've said it before; Dan Abnett is a waste of a 40k writer. He almost never uses anything from the lore, just generic sci-fi stories that can perfectly fit into any other IP with almost no rewording.
 

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bartholen said:
Zen Bard said:
The Diablo series.

Blizzard's created such a rich world with all three games, it would be interesting to see an animated series set in the world of Sanctuary featuring some of the character classes banding together to either fight one of the Lesser Evils or dealing with the chaos after banishing The Big D himself.
The Big D... prrfrfhhhsftshshststhhhh! I can already see the fan campaign to fund the series: "Give us the D!"

What? I'm totally not mentally 12! What are you looking at!?
"Gimme a 'D'!"

"Gimme an 'ablo'!"

I dunno...you could inadvertently be on to something.

There was at one point talk of a Deadwood movie, and those rumors have ignited recently again, but as an animated series it could be continued for years on end without having to worry about the actors aging.
"Gimme a 'D'!"

"Gimme an 'eadwood'!"

See? It's universal.

I'm all for more Deadwood because it was just an awesome show. But I'm not sure what animating it would bring. Although cartoon Timothy Olyphant would be amusing (though we sort of got a chance to see that in Rango)
 

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Zen Bard said:
I'm all for more Deadwood because it was just an awesome show. But I'm not sure what animating it would bring. Although cartoon Timothy Olyphant would be amusing (though we sort of got a chance to see that in Rango)
To my understanding one of the reasons for its cancellation was how expensive it was, and that's no surprise considering the production quality on that show. Animation would at least take care of that. But you're right in a way, Deadwood's main appeal was the dialogue nd the characters, and it was a really slow-paced show anyway, so there wouldn't be much aside from the period piece quality that would justify it being turned into an animation.
 

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People who mentioned Dark Souls and Bloodborne might be on the right track, except for the fact that they're FromSoftware titles. Due to the fact that they're owned by a Japanese dev, if they get animated series made of them they will be Anime.

One book series that would make a great western animation series would be the Honor Harrington series. Partially because it'd be impossible to cover it live action, due to the acting staff aging far faster than characters would. Besides that there is a huge amount of ground to cover and things like Treecats would just work better in an animated setting. Realistically through animation, they could cover the entire Honorverse with relative ease. Not to mention that the whole thing could be run on network television due to the lack of swearing.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Dragonlayer said:
Note that I said "some" realism, though I apologize if the meaning was unclear: I meant Abnett's Guard stories involve an expanded awareness of the military and civilian dimensions of 40K existence. While we are still fundamentally talking about people with future laser guns blasting away at evil ghost possessed people, the books go into aspects that are often forgotten by other 40K stories that heap on the cheesier parts of 40K, like the hard-partying wolfish pop-culture Vikings of the Space Wolf series. Stuff like inter-factional disputes, political considerations driving strategic aims, life under enemy occupation and logistics make the Ghosts books shine to me, whereas other books - while more often then not still enjoyable reads - just want to put the average 40K codex cover art to words (i.e. one giant battle involving everything in an army, fought as a duel). Does this make the stories generic? I don't think so, because while they share tropes common to other military sci-fi stories they are still firmly grounded in 40K's lore - the Imperial Guard is very different to the Mobile Federation.
In of itself, that doesn't make him generic, it's the manner in which he does so.

Now, I absolutely agree that far too many 40k books are just describing the cover art, that's a good way of putting it, and Abnett does stand out for going a bit further than that. Just, while he is very good at coming up with set piece and locations, he's not particularly interested in making them fit the established 40k universe, or even anything else he's established in his other stories. Occasionally not even the other parts of the same book. He comes up with memorable places and ideas that don't fit together into any greater context, they could just as easily be set in any other generic sci-fi universe.

There's a lot of BL books that do worldbuilding much better. Bill King's protagonists in all of his stuff tend to be more or less the same, but they will sit down and contemplate the universe and their place within in to bring the world to life, and in ways that are consistent and, as much as possible, make sense. Of course, IMHO, Bill King far surpassed more or less everyone else who has written for the BL in this, so it's not fair to condemn Abnett for not being as good as King at that.

Abnett's other problem is that some of his highest profile generic characters are people that shouldn't be. Someone like Corbec or Rawne, ok, they come from a culture noticeably like ours, but Tanith might have just been like that. Abnett even says Rawne is a "typical Imperial male"...which is rubbish of course, there is no such thing, but whatever. They are fairly well executed character even if we've seen them over and over before.

Eisenhorn and Gaunt, however, can't be. They are perfectly well written generic heroes that are filling the spaces where an Inquisitor and a Commissar should be. They should be fanatics with a mindset very alien to us. You could take Gaunt out of 40k and stick him in as a generic British or US officer in a WW2 story, and he'd work fine. You should not be able to do that with a Guard Commissar.

Abnett, of course, is far from alone in this. Mike Lee turned Malus Darkblade into a generic chosen one over the course of the series, and then into a hero for the last book. Goto went so far as to have an Inquisitor refer to marines as "big boy scouts".

In fairness to Abnett, he seems to have totally gotten past this for "Riders of the Dead". He'd obviously done loads of research, and sometimes it got annoying how much he wanted to show that he did, but he made the north seem very different from just another bunch of barbarians.

Dragonlayer said:
Well of course he sounds like an incredibly basic writer when you sum up his stories like that
Not his stories, his endings. He's done many, many stories for BL, and they all share the same endings.

Now, I must say that I don't think Abnett is a bad writer. His stuff is almost always going to be entertaining, it's just that he's not so good at being consistent, or rather, in covering up his inconsistencies. Most BL stuff tends to be neither consistent nor entertaining. "The marines (including one who is "big, even for a marine" epicly killed the monster without use of anything resembling tactics and then discovered that the Inquisitor was up to no good, because he always is"...that's half of every 40k book ever, it seems.
I agree that memorable set-pieces are his strong-point, but I'm not quite sure how you think they don't fit into the 40K universe: could you elaborate on this? The shelled manufactory husks of Fortis Binary, smog laden mountaintop cities of Phantine and - my personal favourite - the trenches of Aexe Cardinal; all Imperial worlds of the Sabbat System and perfectly in keeping with the established setting. The Imperium does contain a million worlds after all, with a staggering amount of variety in environment and inhabitant culture - the only time I think Abnett breaks with world template is in some of the places he explores in Eisenhorn and there it's to the story's benefit, as alien worlds are depicted as being truly alien, to the extent that human physics struggle to describe them adequately and human characters are noticeably disturbed by their existence.

I disagree with this issue about characters though, since history has taught us even the most fanatical societies don't produce nothing other then 100% fanatical members. For starters, it's already established that within the Inquisition there are numerous different schools of philosophical and religious thought, if you will, that help shape individual personalities during their service: hence why two Inquisitors in the pursuit of the same goal can be so radically different as for to eagerly use xenos and even Chaos technology against the enemy while the other views even shackled pyskers in Imperial service as abominations to be destroyed. I view Eisenhorn as heroic in the sense that he seeks the preservation of the Imperium - something that I, as a human, would probably prefer even if I didn't already like the faction - but he condemns companions to an eternity of anguish as Daemonhosts and gradually ends up on the same dangerous road that his Chaos quarry travel. I also don't see why Gaunt being an actual human being and not a caricature of a political officer like Chenkov is inconsistent with 40K, especially as he is hardly portrayed as either the norm *or* the ideal to aspire to (there are just as many characters who view him as a spineless weakling as there are who appreciate his compassion for his men). Yes, 40K says commissars are supposedly all ruthless monsters who terrify the rank and file into advancing against even worse opponents, but 40K also points out that the Guard is constituted of people from countless different backgrounds and upbringings, so that you can have beloved, inspirational leaders and anti-retreat blocking detachments at the same time in the same army (for a given value of "same", considering the size of the Guard).

I've read a few Darkblade novels, but all I can really remember is the first book and the final arc of his story where he's defending some city against Chaos hordes and a certain character from his past is leading them, so I can't really comment on his character development. And I've heard only ill about Goto's writings, so I avoid them (and keep mixing up his name with C.L. Werner, who does great Warhammer Fantasy).

Ah, I love Riders of the Dead! Quite possibly my favourite Warhammer Fantasy novel of all time; yeah, it was quite obvious he'd put the time and effort into depicting the Chaos tribes as a functional society rather then a collection of cartoonish murder-rapists. See what you've done? Now I'm going to have to go and read the whole thing again!

But again, doesn't everything have the same ending when you strip everything down to sheer basics? I finished reading Redemption Corps and Dead Men Walking recently: both offer different but equally scathing perspectives on the Imperium, both offer different but equally grimdark endings and yet if I stripped them down, they both involve a McGuffin being destroyed and the heroes killing the enemy commander. Though I certainly concur on the prevalence of the almost pre-packaged Space Marine character archtypes crushing all before them because Space Marines and then foiling a half-baked evil conspiracy amongst the weakest BL books.
 

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Dragonlayer said:
I agree that memorable set-pieces are his strong-point, but I'm not quite sure how you think they don't fit into the 40K universe: could you elaborate on this? The shelled manufactory husks of Fortis Binary, smog laden mountaintop cities of Phantine and - my personal favourite - the trenches of Aexe Cardinal; all Imperial worlds of the Sabbat System and perfectly in keeping with the established setting.
Sure, those are...only they are just as in keeping with any number of other sci-fi settings. Not so much Phantine, that was fairly original. Also a few from the Eisenhorn series.

By comparison, Storm of Iron, in which McNeill was writing Napoleonic era sieges, but stamped 40k all over it. Like Aexe Cardinal, it makes no logical sense at all, however both of them did a decent job of brushing past that.

Dragonlayer said:
The Imperium does contain a million worlds after all, with a staggering amount of variety in environment and inhabitant culture
Sure. There's no reason not to set the story on a new generic place. It's just not the most interesting of places to set it. That's not necessarily a problem.

However, when dealing with places and things that have been gone over in some detail already, Abnett does not seem to care that there is established canon already, including stuff from his earlier stories.

Dragonlayer said:
I disagree with this issue about characters though, since history has taught us even the most fanatical societies don't produce nothing other then 100% fanatical members. For starters, it's already established that within the Inquisition there are numerous different schools of philosophical and religious thought, if you will, that help shape individual personalities during their service: hence why two Inquisitors in the pursuit of the same goal can be so radically different as for to eagerly use xenos and even Chaos technology against the enemy while the other views even shackled pyskers in Imperial service as abominations to be destroyed. I view Eisenhorn as heroic in the sense that he seeks the preservation of the Imperium - something that I, as a human, would probably prefer even if I didn't already like the faction - but he condemns companions to an eternity of anguish as Daemonhosts and gradually ends up on the same dangerous road that his Chaos quarry travel.
My problem with Eisenhorn is that Abnett tries to have it both ways, he'll sometimes write him as a fanatic, and sometimes as a relatable generic hero. He keeps bouncing around between the two at random. For example, if you note the way he thinks of civilian casualties, or killing people who are being psychically controlled. He is very inconsistent, not due to character growth, but changing as the plot demands.

Dragonlayer said:
II also don't see why Gaunt being an actual human being and not a caricature of a political officer like Chenkov is inconsistent with 40K, especially as he is hardly portrayed as either the norm *or* the ideal to aspire to (there are just as many characters who view him as a spineless weakling as there are who appreciate his compassion for his men). Yes, 40K says commissars are supposedly all ruthless monsters who terrify the rank and file into advancing against even worse opponents, but 40K also points out that the Guard is constituted of people from countless different backgrounds and upbringings, so that you can have beloved, inspirational leaders and anti-retreat blocking detachments at the same time in the same army (for a given value of "same", considering the size of the Guard).
The Guard in general, yes, the commissars in particular, no. If Gaunt was a Tanith or Hyrkan colonel, it'd be fine, there's no rule about what they are like. He doesn't have to be a monster, be he does have to quite different to a normal person. Having said that, that's probably because Abnett made him a Colonel-Commissar by mistake, and nobody at BL picked up on it.

Dragonlayer said:
But again, doesn't everything have the same ending when you strip everything down to sheer basics? I finished reading Redemption Corps and Dead Men Walking recently: both offer different but equally scathing perspectives on the Imperium, both offer different but equally grimdark endings and yet if I stripped them down, they both involve a McGuffin being destroyed and the heroes killing the enemy commander.
Er...from what I remember Redemption Corps was more a scathing perspective of BL than 40k. Didn't help that I got the omnibus, Cadian Blood was before that and is about a maverick commander that doesn't play by the rules and argues with incompetent superiors. Redemption Corps is that but moreso in lieu of a plot.

Dead Men Walking (which I liked a lot, BTW) didn't end like that, IIRC. Plenty of other BL books didn't either.

Dragonlayer said:
And I've heard only ill about Goto's writings, so I avoid them (and keep mixing up his name with C.L. Werner, who does great Warhammer Fantasy).
As an aside, back in the day on the BL forums (before I badmouthed Goto, got banned and at least some of the mods said it was for badmouthing other users), I had such a reputation for being negative (some people thought I might actually be Yahtzee) that Werner was going to include me as an evil Dark Elf character called "Thaul Festerheart". Did make it into Palace of the Plague Lord as the Festerheart...ironically, that wasn't nearly as agood a book as his previous stuff.
 

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Hmm, well as many have already discussed that animated series from Warhammer 40k would be nice, but how about it wouldn't be based on any of the books but on Dark Heresy? A small ragtag group of different people grom all over the sector doing the small dirtywork by the order of The Inquisition.

Another which would be cool to see as a animation: Mechwarrior/Mechcommander done in completly animated, no CG. That would be so nice.
 

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Suomimaster said:
Another which would be cool to see as a animation: Mechwarrior/Mechcommander done in completly animated, no CG. That would be so nice.
They did a Battletech animated series already, it was kind of crap.

Edit: Then again thinking about it, it was also a 1980's cartoon if memory serves. So it was made to sell merchandise.
 

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Shadowrun is perfect for a long running animated series , also i would love a Chronicle of Amber miniseries and a Silent Hill movie(hopefully one that woldn't suck)
 

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1. Age of Sigmar. Hear me out.

Warhammer of any variety has never been much more than a Saturday morning cartoon with more bodily fluids. Age of Sigmar looks rather sterile in comparison, which would be good. I mean, it's practically begging for a TV Y7 cartoon. The freaking Sigmarines are just so silly.


2. Metroid would make for a good cartoon. It wouldn't matter if it was for adults or children, it's pretty accessible.

3. I could see GW commissioning a 40K Saturday morning cartoon about Imperial Knights and Titan legions. Mwahahahahaha.

4. XCOM could be a good cartoon. It'd be like the old Ghostbusters cartoons crossed with the Men in Black cartoon.

5. Destiny could have a cartoon about the early days of the Guardians, the building of the Wall, etc.

6. Jak and Daxter/Ratchet and Clank could make for good kid's shows.



I'd watch any of these, but I want the Metroid one most. I want to see a talking Samus done right. Also it tickles my funny bone to imagine her saying "You are one ugly ************" to a space pirate.