What really is a RTS game ?
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for me an RTS has:
1: Construction tree's, the player should have to choose to pump out weak units early on or wait for the higher quality one's to become available.
2: At least one resource, My main tactic in command and conqer was to harras my opponent's refinery's/harvesters, I know some games use the whole farming thing but I prefer when the resource must actually be collected.
3: Unit supplimation, most, if not all, units should be much more effective when used in their speciality and much weaker against their weakness.
(optional)4: Research, the ability to spend large amounts of resources on unit upgrades is a favourate of mine, from homeworld to age of empires, the running arms race always kept things interesting.
1: Construction tree's, the player should have to choose to pump out weak units early on or wait for the higher quality one's to become available.
2: At least one resource, My main tactic in command and conqer was to harras my opponent's refinery's/harvesters, I know some games use the whole farming thing but I prefer when the resource must actually be collected.
3: Unit supplimation, most, if not all, units should be much more effective when used in their speciality and much weaker against their weakness.
(optional)4: Research, the ability to spend large amounts of resources on unit upgrades is a favourate of mine, from homeworld to age of empires, the running arms race always kept things interesting.
This is one of genres that is hard to define at points, as games like Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War II blur the line between RTS (Real Time Strategy)/RTT (Real Time Tactics), and there are many game with strategy elements. Blood Lines Champions is not a straegy of Tactics game, although it may be straegyically deep. There are many gmaes like DOTA that can be loosely defined as a straegy game as well, and while is is very deep, it is not a true strategy game, it is at best a tactics game (Although you can make the argument that the minions are the resources and teh items are your base building). As a general role of thumb, to be a strategy or tactics game you must be in control of multiple units.
TL;DR
Real Time Tactics: Larger Scale, and little to no base building/unit production (e.i. Total War)
Real Time Strategy: A larger focus on micro, base building is very important (e.i. Starcraft)
BLC is not a strategy game, although it may have strategic elements to it
TL;DR
Real Time Tactics: Larger Scale, and little to no base building/unit production (e.i. Total War)
Real Time Strategy: A larger focus on micro, base building is very important (e.i. Starcraft)
BLC is not a strategy game, although it may have strategic elements to it
I don't consider it strategy because whenever you go online it's either zerg rush, zerg rush, or zealot rush. There's no strategy in that at all.thaluikhain said:
The strategy comes in how those rushes are integrated into your overall game plan. Some players use rushes as a 'be all, end all' tactic, but they won't be competitive against stronger players who know how to counter them because they don't know how to integrate rushing into a long-term strategy. Better players may rush as a tactical maneuver. Say, X wants to fast expand, so X puts early pressure on Y, so he can buy more time to build an expansion. The plan isn't to end the game by rushing, but to put the opponent in a defensive mindset, so he doesn't go on the offensive.bl4ckh4wk64 said:
Personally I find games like "Dawn of War Soulstorm" and "Starcraft" and "Warcraft 3" to be RTS games.
I would find games such as "BLC" and "DOW2" to be RTT games, because both of them are based on a much smaller scale which skips a vast amount of economic focusing and setup and goes into great detail with small time squad based combat and knowing how to make a team of troops work together against varied odds.
I could be very wrong though, it's just my viewpoint. I would still refer to both as "RTS" games if making a quick side-ways comment on them to a friend, or recommending them.
I would find games such as "BLC" and "DOW2" to be RTT games, because both of them are based on a much smaller scale which skips a vast amount of economic focusing and setup and goes into great detail with small time squad based combat and knowing how to make a team of troops work together against varied odds.
I could be very wrong though, it's just my viewpoint. I would still refer to both as "RTS" games if making a quick side-ways comment on them to a friend, or recommending them.
so if i try to sum this up.
RTS means a game that has lots of different ingame tactics to take care off: buildings, mass units, different rescources.
RTT means a game with few tactical elements and focusing mainly on one to couple of controlled units: less hectic controlling of the units (main focus on fewer units), no building construction, "resources" (gold, mana).
RTS means a game that has lots of different ingame tactics to take care off: buildings, mass units, different rescources.
RTT means a game with few tactical elements and focusing mainly on one to couple of controlled units: less hectic controlling of the units (main focus on fewer units), no building construction, "resources" (gold, mana).
No, nooo, another individual who has forgotten or never knew that WoW was a spinoff of a long running series, nooooooooooooooooo!megarik said:
Seriously kid, you make me feel old, and I'm barely old enough to drink
Only under the definitions being used in this thread. RTS is a generally accepted genre, but RTT is something made up, apparently in this thread, by people who aren't happy that modern RTS games are on a smaller scale than the older ones. The words "tactical" and "strategic" are military terms which define the scale of an operation, and while they can be used to describe the scale of an individual game within a specific a genre, they don't define the genre itself. That would be the actual mechanics.Meltyman said:
WORLD of Warcraft is not an RTS. It's an MMORPG. I think you're referring to Warcraft 1, 2 and 3; which ARE RTS games.megarik said:
To me, and RTS game isn't defined by specifically bases and/or armies. I think it boils down to more basic concepts such as resource management, battlefield deployment modes, and long distance planning. Someone also said that all games have strategic elements. This is not always true. Some games have TACTICAL elements, such as a shooter game.
I'll sum up by saying that I believe that all Strategy games, whether RTS, TBS(turn based) or passive strategy games(like Majesty2) have tangible, LONG TERM OBJECTIVES AND GOALS; coupled with many short term goals.
A long term goal would be: Destroy your opponent's bases/cities/armies.
Short Term Goal: Successfully defend against THIS attack, acquire THAT resource, demolish THAT production hub.
Games that have ONLY short term goals, I would not define as Strategy games.
Games characterized by having long, overarching goals with an open interpretation of how to achieve them are usually strategic in nature. The real-time title only comes from the fact that, originally, all strategic games were turn-based.
That would be the literal translation of that genre title but, god knows, the title of a genre sometimes never matches up with the content of the actual games affiliated with them.
The standard RTS is boring... wait, no. The standard RTS is for nerds... Um, the standard RTS usually includes building crap, having those buildings produce units and then ordering those units to achieve whatever goals are required. Yeah, that's it.
That would be the literal translation of that genre title but, god knows, the title of a genre sometimes never matches up with the content of the actual games affiliated with them.
The standard RTS is boring... wait, no. The standard RTS is for nerds... Um, the standard RTS usually includes building crap, having those buildings produce units and then ordering those units to achieve whatever goals are required. Yeah, that's it.