what super hero would make the best vilian?
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He's like if Scott Pilgrim was forever alone, and also a psychopath...Lullabye said:
Admit it. He'd be the best.
When Bruce Wayne's family was killed, he trained himself physically for years, then took up a bat costume and a lot of gadgets with which to wage war on crime.rossatdi said:
When Frank Castle's family was killed, he had already been trained as a US Marine, and took up a t-shirt with a skull on it and a lot of guns with which to wage war on crime.
Hmm...
The implication being that the Punisher has no morals? Sure, he kills people; he kills lots of people, in fact, but he never kills innocents. He always meticulously plans his operations so that no one gets hurt who doesn't deserve to, and on one occasion where he thought he'd accidentally shot a child during a firefight, he was on the brink of killing himself, saying "I must be punished"; he later discovered he was set up. Batman is certainly more moral, but to say the Punisher is nothing more than an amoral thug is a total misunderstanding of the character.rossatdi said:
I don't consider cold blooded murder of anyone part of the morality that makes up a superhero. Batman does not appoint himself judge, jury and executioner and that is one of the core things that makes him heroic. Anyone with decades of military training and a trunk full of guns can kill people.Anachronism said:
Why does Frank Castle get to decide who is innocent? What's his line of innocent? Most people have committed some kind of minor crime, is that enough to be Punished? How about robbery? Fairly punished with murder? Assault? What's the line? Criminals can reform, especially younger gang members.
In the example above, the death of the child - was that faked or what? If he actually killed an innocent even if set up, he couldn't possibility continue with the a moral stand point.
As far as I've seen the Punisher is what Batman could have been if he didn't have morality. Batman is about seeking Justice, the Punisher is about seeking Vengeance.
Spider-Man would. He has so much pent up emotional shit from having to be the good guy since 14.
Also he never uses his powers to there fullest for fear of hurting people. I saw him take peices of Osborns face off just buy touching him with that spidey stick to stuff skill...dude should rename himself the Skinner and just rock out
Also he never uses his powers to there fullest for fear of hurting people. I saw him take peices of Osborns face off just buy touching him with that spidey stick to stuff skill...dude should rename himself the Skinner and just rock out
Of course, given that Venom (Eddie Brock version, before he became White Venom and Scorpion became the new Venom) is only really a villain because he wants to kill Spiderman, and he already goes about stopping murders and saving innocents when he isn't actively trying to kill Spiderman (and, on several occasions WHILE trying to kill Spiderman), Venom would basically be the new hero who would take him down.Azex said:
Ninja'd by the OP...
Third choice? Superman.
...and that would have been my second choice.Lullabye said:
Admit it. He'd be the best.
Third choice? Superman.
It's a very good point, and honestly, it's one of the reasons I find his books so interesting. Even in the MAX books, it's made pretty clear that, while he does want to do good, he is a psychopath who just plain enjoys killing people. It's an interesting conflict, I think, because he does want to help people, but he's even more insane than Batman. In all honesty, you're right: he probably doesn't really count as a superhero.rossatdi said:
He performed an autopsy on the corpse and discovered that the bullet that killed the child was of a different calibre from the ones he'd been using during the firefight. One of his enemies had killed the child, knowing that the Punisher would think he had done it, in the hope that he would kill himself.
While he is a psychopath, he does have morals nonetheless. That being said, I don't question the fact that his main preoccupation is with vengeance for the death of his family. But let's be honest, Batman's at least partly about that as well; he wants criminals to be tried lawfully under the judicial system, but he still wants revenge for his parents' murder.
I've always thought Superman would make for a really good villain. The only reason he's interesting is that he chooses to be a good guy, when he could be a god among men.
It would make fights more interesting, as good superheroes totally get their asses kicked against Evil Superman.
It would make fights more interesting, as good superheroes totally get their asses kicked against Evil Superman.
Imagine if Squirrel Girl went evil. She beat Doctor Doom, and according to the Marvel database, she is one of the strongest heroes in existence: http://marvel.com/universe/Squirrel_Girl
Check out the official grading of her powers on the right side of the screen, then compare them to any hero you can think of.
We're lucky she's on our side!
Check out the official grading of her powers on the right side of the screen, then compare them to any hero you can think of.
We're lucky she's on our side!
Batman is about obsession but he's not about revenge - to quote Rachel Dawes in Batman Begins "Justice is about harmony. Revenge is about you making yourself feel better." Batman could have been about revenge but he could have been - if he didn't have the support he did and his basic morality.Anachronism said:
Just because Castle has morals does make him a moral hero - I know there's a narrow distinction but just because a criminal won't betray another criminal or kill a child, it doesn't mean he is moral.
I think the Punisher is a compelling character too, but I don't think he's a superhero.
Constantine is a great challenge for the definition to - he has some limited superpowers through magic, he's a complete prick but he does (generally) get involved to make things better. Of course most of the time even when he saves the day, it doesn't go very well, but that raises the question of whether being a superhero requires being any good at it!