What the big N should do next ?

[VG_Addict]

Some people say they should bring back F-Zero, Star Fox, and/or Metroid. I disagree. Those three are and have always been niche franchises. I don't mean this in a bad way, as all three are good. They just don't sell as well as Mario or Zelda. For proof, just look at Star Fox 64 3D for the 3DS. From what I've heard, it didn't sell that well.

Iwata's plans of discounts for loyal customers are, IMO, a step in the right direction. However, they only work for people who have already bought the Wii U/3DS. They need to do something to attract NEW potential buyers.

 

[BloodSquirrel]

They were the only ones doing ANYTHING with their own toy. Skyward Sword showed us what motion controls could do for AAA games. No one gave it the chance it deserved and they are doing the exact same thing with the Wii U.

Even Skyward Sword barely did anything that couldn't have been done better with a controller. It was, at best, where motion controls should have been at launch, not the shining example of what they could do late into the system's life.

From what I heard they more or less migrated there from the Wii.

I'm sure you've heard lots of ridiculous things from other Nintendo diehards, but the Wii didn't invent casual gaming. Minesweeper and the Sims were around long before the Wii. Casuals have always shown up here and there on various platforms, but they've historically been a fickle lot who move on from thing to thing.

Except the games were still peerless in terms of quality.

You need to get over thinking that your opinions on Nintendo's games are universal. I'd take the 360's library of exclusives over the Wii's hands-down, and when it comes to platforms indies are are where all of the cool ideas are coming from. Nothing on the Wii blew me away like the original Metroid Prime did. Nothing felt fresh or new, just a lot of "And here's more levels for the same core Mario gameplay."

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

They have the money to do so. So I think it's time Nintendo actually throws their weight around and just buy up numerous smaller studios. Have them work on games for their system. That way, when next console comes around, those smaller guys can put great games on the system. Leaving Nintendo a lot of lee way to take their time on other stuff.

That's basically what they were doing with the launch of the Wii U. Let the third party devs put stuff on the console first year with no competition from Mario and Zelda, and they swoop in this year and put out their big sellers. As we can see, since most Western devs are goal shifters and liars, that turned out to be a disaster. Had they of had loyal by contract third party devs on the team, this would not of happened.

That is the thing; the last two system have proven this: 3rd parties are unreliable and ungrateful. Nintendo gave them a six month window with the 3DS and they basically sat on their asses saying "Why aren't increasing the install base for us!?" apparently unaware that Nintendo was encouraging them to make an audience for themselves on the 3DS. They failed, Nintendo had to sweep in and become self-sufficient on the system and 3rd parties ruined their chances for being successful on it with the exceptions of people like Square Enix, CAPCOM, and Atlus.

It was the same thing with the Wii U; despite 3rd parties stabbing them in the back with the 3DS they gave them another chance to shine with the Wii U...and 3rd parties proceeded to not only shank them again, but twist the knife for good measure and then decide to ***** and moan when sales didn't pick up due to 3rd parties once again deciding that actually building a fanbase was too much work. The lesson of the past few years has been this: don't rely on 3rd parties. Come out swinging with your own product and build your install base because 3rd parties can't be expected to do any work on their own and won't help you unless you essentially bribe them. Time for Nintendo to just become self-reliant and let 3rd parties come over if it tickles their fancy.

 

[Dragonbums]

They have the money to do so. So I think it's time Nintendo actually throws their weight around and just buy up numerous smaller studios. Have them work on games for their system. That way, when next console comes around, those smaller guys can put great games on the system. Leaving Nintendo a lot of lee way to take their time on other stuff.

That's basically what they were doing with the launch of the Wii U. Let the third party devs put stuff on the console first year with no competition from Mario and Zelda, and they swoop in this year and put out their big sellers. As we can see, since most Western devs are goal shifters and liars, that turned out to be a disaster. Had they of had loyal by contract third party devs on the team, this would not of happened.

That is the thing; the last two system have proven this: 3rd parties are unreliable and ungrateful. Nintendo gave them a six month window with the 3DS and they basically sat on their asses saying "Why aren't increasing the install base for us!?" apparently unaware that Nintendo was encouraging them to make an audience for themselves on the 3DS. They failed, Nintendo had to sweep in and become self-sufficient on the system and 3rd parties ruined their chances for being successful on it with the exceptions of people like Square Enix, CAPCOM, and Atlus.

It was the same thing with the Wii U; despite 3rd parties stabbing them in the back with the 3DS they gave them another chance to shine with the Wii U...and 3rd parties proceeded to not only shank them again, but twist the knife for good measure and then decide to ***** and moan when sales didn't pick up due to 3rd parties once again deciding that actually building a fanbase was too much work. The lesson of the past few years has been this: don't rely on 3rd parties. Come out swinging with your own product and build your install base because 3rd parties can't be expected to do any work on their own and won't help you unless you essentially bribe them. Time for Nintendo to just become self-reliant and let 3rd parties come over if it tickles their fancy.

Even the some of the Western devs that are supporting Wii U are shafting them.

Arkham Origins for instance- had this big preorder for season passes for Wii U customers, and then recently they up and shafted them by saying "Yeah well sorry, but not enough people" like of course nobody is going to buy third party on Nintendo, because on top of third party not supporting Nintendo, they often give their Nintendo base the middle finger.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Even the some of the Western devs that are supporting Wii U are shafting them.

Arkham Origins for instance- had this big preorder for season passes for Wii U customers, and then recently they up and shafted them by saying "Yeah well sorry, but not enough people" like of course nobody is going to buy third party on Nintendo, because on top of third party not supporting Nintendo, they often give their Nintendo base the middle finger.

And it's goofball decisions like that that prevent me from having any kind of sympathy or respect towards 3rd parties. 3rd parties have gained a toxic reputation on Nintendo systems for being lazy and refusing to give customers full support and they have the gall to act like it was Nintendo's fault? It's contemptible behavior no matter how you slice it and I won't tolerate it.

 

[King Aragorn]

It's a viscous cycle, the same one the PS Vita suffered from. Not enough install base because there aren't many great games, and not many great games because there isn't a big install base. If ''essentially bribing'' them as you called it worked with Sony and Microsoft, I dunno, maybe Nintendo should try that somehow, but really no third party support is just not good for business, period.

 

[V8 Ninja]

Here's some of my general thoughts on this matter;

- Nintendo should continue to support the Wii U for at least two more years. If Nintendo immediately dropped the Wii U it would show that they have no faith in the product nor its core consumer base. When you have no faith you have no trust, and if you're a company that makes tailored computer hardware you absolutely need consumer and investor trust. Yeah, the Wii U isn't doing Nintendo any favors, but it would be better for Nintendo to rough it out and make sure their next console doesn't follow in the Wii U's footsteps.

- Nintendo's systems should conform to the standards of the other big players. While I really do like that Nintendo is trying to be different with the Wii U, it isn't going to cut it; developers and consumers have agreed that they want lots of power, robust online features, and a wealth of extra functionality. It's sad to see lots of (mostly) well-executed experiments be thrown out, but if Nintendo wants to rival the its direct competition then it unfortunately has to play by that competition's rules.

- ...HOWEVER, keep making Nintendo-flavored games. The thing that makes Nintendo unique is that it's Nintendo; the company still makes phenomenal games that are far different from what everybody else has to offer. If Nintendo loses that uniqueness by either diluting their franchises or by simply giving up on them, then they would appear to be imitating rather than improving. And honestly, when we've got two companies putting out similar products for similar pieces of hardware, we don't need another one.

 

[Brian Tams]

If they made a 3D Pokemon game exclusively for the WiiU, that thing would be sold out by the end of the night.

I'm so sick of this suggestion. The only reason they ever made console pokemon games was for fully animated, 3D battles whcih, thanks to X and Y, they don't need to do anymore. Also, let's be honest; nobody bought a Gamecube to play Pokemon Coliseum.

 

[Roxas1359]

I'm so sick of this suggestion. The only reason they ever made console pokemon games was for fully animated, 3D battles whcih, thanks to X and Y, they don't need to do anymore. Also, let's be honest; nobody bought a Gamecube to play Pokemon Coliseum.

...I did...and I got it to also play XD Gale of Darkness. Those games seem to get a lot of flak for some reason, which I don't think is too fair because those games were pretty awesome actually. I also know some other people who bought a GameCube for Coliseum.
There's nothing wrong with wanting another game like that on the Wii U because last gen we got Battle Revolution, which in all honesty wasn't really good. I'd rather go back to playing the first 2 Stadium games than playing Battle Revolution.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Is it wrong I thought this thread would be about "the N word"?
Anyway like I said elsewhere, they could start by actually backing the Wii U with SOME marketing.

 

[Brian Tams]

I'm so sick of this suggestion. The only reason they ever made console pokemon games was for fully animated, 3D battles whcih, thanks to X and Y, they don't need to do anymore. Also, let's be honest; nobody bought a Gamecube to play Pokemon Coliseum.

...I did...and I got it to also play XD Gale of Darkness. Those games seem to get a lot of flak for some reason, which I don't think is too fair because those games were pretty awesome actually. I also know some other people who bought a GameCube for Coliseum.
There's nothing wrong with wanting another game like that on the Wii U because last gen we got Battle Revolution, which in all honesty wasn't really good. I'd rather go back to playing the first 2 Stadium games than playing Battle Revolution.

I liked Coliseum too, but we're in the minority I would think, and GF latest iteration of a 3D pokemon game was awful.

Also, let's remember WHY they released Pokemon Stadium; to allow 3D Pokemon battles (which is why they went to all that trouble in releasing the game pack thing.)
We don't really need that now, since X and Y have full 3D battles now.

Look, I would definitely buy a Wii U Pokemon Stadium, but I highly doubt it would sellout overnight.

 

[Roxas1359]

I liked Coliseum too, but we're in the minority I would think, and GF latest iteration of a 3D pokemon game was awful.

Also, let's remember WHY they released Pokemon Stadium; to allow 3D Pokemon battles (which is why they went to all that trouble in releasing the game pack thing.)
We don't really need that now, since X and Y have full 3D battles now.

Look, I would definitely buy a Wii U Pokemon Stadium, but I highly doubt it would sellout overnight.

They don't need to sellout over night, but ever little game will help the Wii U.
Not to mention that while 3D battles were the reason for Pokemon Stadium games, the Colloseum and XD Gale of Darkness games had other purposes. They were the way in which you could get certain Pokemon you'd need events in order to get for one, such as Jirachi, Celebi, Ho-Oh, and Lugia. Not to mention the Lugia in XD Gale of Darkness is the only Lugia that legally can learn Psycho Boost since Lugia doesn't naturally learn it nor can it be taught it via move tutor. Even if X and Y have 3D models for the games doesn't mean that there can't be another journey in the Orre Region, because quite honestly I just want another battle against Miror B! >.<

 

[Brian Tams]

I liked Coliseum too, but we're in the minority I would think, and GF latest iteration of a 3D pokemon game was awful.

Also, let's remember WHY they released Pokemon Stadium; to allow 3D Pokemon battles (which is why they went to all that trouble in releasing the game pack thing.)
We don't really need that now, since X and Y have full 3D battles now.

Look, I would definitely buy a Wii U Pokemon Stadium, but I highly doubt it would sellout overnight.

They don't need to sellout over night, but ever little game will help the Wii U.
Not to mention that while 3D battles were the reason for Pokemon Stadium games, the Colloseum and XD Gale of Darkness games had other purposes. They were the way in which you could get certain Pokemon you'd need events in order to get for one, such as Jirachi, Celebi, Ho-Oh, and Lugia. Not to mention the Lugia in XD Gale of Darkness is the only Lugia that legally can learn Psycho Boost since Lugia doesn't naturally learn it nor can it be taught it via move tutor. Even if X and Y have 3D models for the games doesn't mean that there can't be another journey in the Orre Region, because quite honestly I just want another battle against Miror B! >.<

I guess you're right that any game would help the Wii U at this point (especially since I buy into the theory that strong game libraries sells hardware, not a single killer game), and I would love to return to the Orre Region.

I just get irritated when I hear people say that a console Pokemon would triple Wii U hardware sales. I doubt that very much.

 

[Roxas1359]

I guess you're right that any game would help the Wii U at this point (especially since I buy into the theory that strong game libraries sells hardware, not a single killer game), and I would love to return to the Orre Region.

I just get irritated when I hear people say that a console Pokemon would triple Wii U hardware sales. I doubt that very much.

Oh no, at this point there are only 2 games that could possibly double or triple the Wii U's total number of hardware sales at this point and they are Smash Bros and Mario Kart 8, and even then most people have probably already gotten their Wii U's for those games already.

Mainly though I just hope for more trips to the Orre region because it was a lot of fun, sure it was frustrating but it was still a lot of fun. Kinda killed double battles for me though so if they were to ever make another one of the games there are only 2 things I want them to add:
The first thing is more single battles, and the second is a place to train Pokemon in general besides the Colosseum matches in some of the towns. It became a pain to purify some of the later Shadow Pokemon in the game because I'd have to constantly go to Mt. Battle to purify them faster.

 

[McMarbles]

Nintendo should localize Dragon Quest VII.

This isn't a suggestion to improve their bottom line, it's just my own selfish desire.

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

They need to have another system like the gamecube. Make a machine with competitive specs, put 3rd parties on their system, and invest in some new genres and adult games. Seriously, people want to say "Oh Nintendo's always 1st party only and family friendly". The gamecube got 3rd parties like Freedom Fighters, Second Sight, etc and you could play Melee and Wind Waker on the same console. What's so hard to get about this? They can have the same games Microsoft and Sony and their first party titles. Not to mention they made games like Eternal Darkness and despite being remembered as mediocre, I liked the game Geist which was first person scifi horror with a unique mechanic. And anyone saying Nintendo needs to be family friendly needs to look at the bloody corpses at the being of Super Metroid. Also notice how they were able to make a horror game like Giest and and an adventure game like Wind Waker. There's no reason you can't have both. And I am fully aware that mature isn't always sex and gore. However reality is full sex and gore, and I think pretending they don't exist so all their games can be as pc as an episode of Mr. Rodgers is bull