what the fuck internet?

Recommended Videos

Canadamus Prime

Robot in Disguise
Jun 17, 2009
14,334
0
0
And then they wonder why people pirate things. Well gee it could have something to do with the fact that getting them legitly is a pain in the ass! Just a hunch.

Disclaimer: I am not advocating piracy. I am merely pointing out that this trend could be a possibly cause of piracy.
 

rapidoud

New member
Feb 1, 2008
547
0
0
Atmos Duality said:
Keoul said:
Why do they even have region locks? even youtube has them. It seems counter-productive if they're trying to get more sales by restricting their consumers.
In theory, the idea behind region-locks is to prevent the practice of "arbitrage".
Which is just the practice of buying low and selling high, but it accomplishes this by exploiting price fixing practices in separate markets for the same good.

Not every country in the world has the same economic value, which is reflected directly in the value of their money (with a whole bunch of other facts we don't even need to go into; I'm using the simplest example here).

And because of this, the effective price of goods in each country are not the same by proportions. It's why Americans could go to some countries, enjoy a quality steak dinner and booze, all for a fraction of the price it would cost in the USA. Different markets, different prices.

For example: A video game that costs 60 USD in the United States would, if converted directly, could cost several full paychecks in somewhere like Greece.
(Yet, the domestic goods in Greece are priced cheaply enough that they can enjoy things like good food, clothing and modern services. Which is the benefit of having domestic production and service, and not relying entirely on imports who undercut your business and then upsell their garbage when they get a monopoly...but that's another topic entirely.)

See where the problem is?
Suppose if you were a Big Publishers, and you want to sell your game in both markets (we assume that you can turn a profit in both markets), you will have to set two wildly different prices; one vastly cheaper for the poorer market.

Enter the problem of Arbitrage, where an intervening third party will exploit the differences of two different markets for profit.

So, ignoring the problem of language barriers, what stops someone from going to Greece, buying all of those games up at pittance and reselling them at full price in the United States? (or worse, undercutting the original Publisher in their primary market. Incidentally, Used Games behave rather similarly here, in terms of reducing profit through "re-saturation".)

Regions and region locks. If you can't play the game on your domestic system, it's useless.
Keeping the functionality separate to keep the markets separate so that the poorer markets can also participate.

That's my understanding of how Regions apply to goods anyway. I have no earthly clue why they also apply them to Youtube. My best guess right now is that it's a necessity for effective advertisement (advertising works best if it's in your own language and culture, after all).
All well and good. Until you realise the AUD is parity with the US and now higher (something we've been waiting decades for), and our average wage is only $10k above yours, but that somehow justifies an extra $30 on the price when it costs you the same to distribute between the 2 countries?

In other words, we'll charge you more because we can bullshit our way out of the bad reputation.
 

Atmos Duality

New member
Mar 3, 2010
8,473
0
0
rapidoud said:
All well and good. Until you realise the AUD is parity with the US and now higher (something we've been waiting decades for), and our average wage is only $10k above yours, but that somehow justifies an extra $30 on the price when it costs you the same to distribute between the 2 countries?

In other words, we'll charge you more because we can bullshit our way out of the bad reputation.
Well, I never claimed that the practice justified the price gouging. :/
I'm citing the only PRACTICAL reason why Region Locks exist.
By economics, Price Fixing assumes that the markets aren't of equal value (and it's not just the United States who makes games; Japan is a huge reason why we have region locks; and they aren't fully at parity with the US)
And by extension, that means that we aren't dealing with a "Perfectly competitive market", so there is implicit room for exploitation.

*pours a cold one for the Aussie gamers*

Hope it at least gets the attention it deserves.
 

Wintermoot

New member
Aug 20, 2009
6,563
0
0
region limits still exist due to companies not catching on that everything is international now.
just buy the physical CD no DRM and infinitely copyable to your MP3 player/phone.
PS as far as I know Steam doesn't use region locks except locking out gore in Germany and Australia.
 

Spitfire

New member
Dec 27, 2008
472
0
0
Atmos Duality said:
snip

In theory, the idea behind region-locks is to prevent the practice of "arbitrage".
Which is just the practice of buying low and selling high, but it accomplishes this by exploiting price fixing practices in separate markets for the same good.

Not every country in the world has the same economic value, which is reflected directly in the value of their money (with a whole bunch of other facts we don't even need to go into; I'm using the simplest example here).

And because of this, the effective price of goods in each country are not the same by proportions. It's why Americans could go to some countries, enjoy a quality steak dinner and booze, all for a fraction of the price it would cost in the USA. Different markets, different prices.

For example: A video game that costs 60 USD in the United States would, if converted directly, could cost several full paychecks in somewhere like Greece.
In my experience, digital products (and I imagine retail as well) are often priced higher in euros than their original price in dollars, meaning that region locks in EU countries only work to prevent Europeans from buying a product at its original intended price in dollars, directly from the US. So, it has little to do with preventing third-party arbitrage, and more to do with US publishers being greedy, and trying to squeeze more money from countries using a more prosperous currency.
 

Marcus McLean

New member
May 12, 2010
39
0
0
You don't have to make large purchases of iTunes credit. Just enter your debit card details into your apple ID account, then when you buy individual songs it will charge that small payment to your bank account each time.

iTunes giftcards are just that: gift cards. For gifts. Like buying someone a $20 amazon voucher. They are not the only way to purchase things on iTunes.

Paypal is not necessary either. Paypal is merely the 'facebook connect' of online payment that is compatible with many sites' check-out systems, so you don't have to enter your address and card details every time you buy something off a website. I don't see the point of paying for iTunes stuff using Paypal as a proxy unless you're one of those super paranoid people who want to keep every single transation in one place.
 

Atmos Duality

New member
Mar 3, 2010
8,473
0
0
Spitfire said:
In my experience, digital products (and I imagine retail as well) are often priced higher in euros than their original price in dollars, meaning that region locks in EU countries only work to prevent Europeans from buying a product at its original intended price in dollars, directly from the US. So, it has little to do with preventing third-party arbitrage, and more to do with US publishers being greedy, and trying to squeeze more money from countries using a more prosperous currency.
I already addressed how Region Locks can be exploited and I do not feel like repeating myself in full.
Unless you have one Perfectly Competitive Market, there always exists the potential for abuse.

Captcha: "Sonic Screw Driver"
Hey, I'm The Dwagon, not The Doctor.
 

iLazy

New member
Aug 6, 2011
279
0
0
Buretsu said:
iLazy said:
XMark said:
Yeah, it sucks being Canadian on the internet. All the cool stuff is walled off by region locks.
It's probably the USA's way of getting back at us for burning down the white house.
Nah, it's cool. We figure you guys probably mistook it for one of your igloos. Honest mistake, you know?
Another common mistake about Canadians. We don't live in igloos.

We live in log cabins.