what the heck did they do to Raven's costume (and Raven in general) in the new DC 52?

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Considering how they turned Starfire into a lingerie model/porn star, I'd say that Raven got off lucky.
 

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verdant monkai said:
Yeahhhhh, cuz [Ms. Marvel's] costume is so much better than the old one.
What are your specific problems with the current costume, verdant monkai? Given that the character is not only Muslim but, much more importantly to me a teenager, I appreciate the modesty of the thing.
 

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verdant monkai said:
Its not as bad as some recent character revamps however...



...Yeahhhhh cuz that costume is so much better than the old one.
You do realize the current Ms. Marvel is a teenager and not Carol Danvers right? And Carol Danvers current costume is better than her old one? And Ms. Marvel, while only a few issues in, is currently one of the best books on the shelves?

And considering the current Ms. Marvel is muslim, giving her the old sex pot costume forever would be just plain stupid.
 

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I do kind of want to get into comics but then stuff like this happens all the time there and I'm like.... eh, I have enough of that with games, do I really wanna be spending money on another thing that doesn't actually want my money?

I might start reading Ms Marvel, though. It looks cool.
 

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Phasmal said:
I do kind of want to get into comics but then stuff like this happens all the time there and I'm like.... eh, I have enough of that with games, do I really wanna be spending money on another thing that doesn't actually want my money?

I might start reading Ms Marvel, though. It looks cool.
I recommend Fables and Sandman, they have better writing IMO and generally don't have stuff like this.
 

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Vivi22 said:
You do realize the current Ms. Marvel is a teenager and not Carol Danvers right? And Carol Danvers current costume is better than her old one? And Ms. Marvel, while only a few issues in, is currently one of the best books on the shelves?

And considering the current Ms. Marvel is muslim, giving her the old sex pot costume forever would be just plain stupid.
NO I had no idea! thank you for letting me know. But since Muslim women aren't really allowed out the house without a chaperone, I dont know why they don't just break two rules and have her show some skin.

JimB said:
What are your specific problems with the current costume, verdant monkai? Given that the character is not only Muslim but, much more importantly to me a teenager, I appreciate the modesty of the thing.
JimB. My specific problems are that the whole thing looks really mismatch and low effort. Like she has collected the components from a charity shop, I guess she is a teenager and therefore of limited means but Spiderman did a better job than she did, and he wasnt much older or richer when he started out. The old ms marvel was iconic. The knew one just seems like Mickey Mouse is trying to widen the Islamic Marvel fanbase.
 

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verdant monkai said:
Vivi22 said:
You do realize the current Ms. Marvel is a teenager and not Carol Danvers right? And Carol Danvers current costume is better than her old one? And Ms. Marvel, while only a few issues in, is currently one of the best books on the shelves?

And considering the current Ms. Marvel is muslim, giving her the old sex pot costume forever would be just plain stupid.
NO I had no idea! thank you for letting me know. But since Muslim women aren't really allowed out the house without a chaperone, I dont know why they don't just break two rules and have her show some skin.
First of all, what? She is American and lives in New Jersey.
Secondly, she is 16. I can deal with not seeing her boobs.
 

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Okay......I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't mind the new 52, or her design. I think it looks pretty interesting.
 

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verdant monkai said:
Vivi22 said:
You do realize the current Ms. Marvel is a teenager and not Carol Danvers right? And Carol Danvers current costume is better than her old one? And Ms. Marvel, while only a few issues in, is currently one of the best books on the shelves?

And considering the current Ms. Marvel is muslim, giving her the old sex pot costume forever would be just plain stupid.
NO I had no idea! thank you for letting me know. But since Muslim women aren't really allowed out the house without a chaperone, I dont know why they don't just break two rules and have her show some skin.
Uhhhhhh... No.

That's utterly not true. Realize this is a Muslim woman living in the USA? These things are issues in the Middle East, where very old, outdated religious practices still dictate law, but in the USA and here in Europe, there's nothing stopping Islamic women from doing whatever they like.

Hell, depending on how orthodox their family is, they could probably even not wear a Sari (like the current Ms. Marvel is not wearing one) with no stigma.
 

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Lieju said:
verdant monkai said:
Vivi22 said:
You do realize the current Ms. Marvel is a teenager and not Carol Danvers right? And Carol Danvers current costume is better than her old one? And Ms. Marvel, while only a few issues in, is currently one of the best books on the shelves?

And considering the current Ms. Marvel is muslim, giving her the old sex pot costume forever would be just plain stupid.
NO I had no idea! thank you for letting me know. But since Muslim women aren't really allowed out the house without a chaperone, I dont know why they don't just break two rules and have her show some skin.
First of all, what? She is American and lives in New Jersey.
Secondly, she is 16. I can deal with not seeing her boobs.
OHHHH my g0d u just dont get it!!!!

She is a practising muslim.

And you never saw Ms Marvel's boobs. Just shoulders and thighs.
 

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The Funslinger said:
verdant monkai said:
Vivi22 said:
You do realize the current Ms. Marvel is a teenager and not Carol Danvers right? And Carol Danvers current costume is better than her old one? And Ms. Marvel, while only a few issues in, is currently one of the best books on the shelves?

And considering the current Ms. Marvel is muslim, giving her the old sex pot costume forever would be just plain stupid.
NO I had no idea! thank you for letting me know. But since Muslim women aren't really allowed out the house without a chaperone, I dont know why they don't just break two rules and have her show some skin.


Uhhhhhh... No.

That's utterly not true. Realize this is a Muslim woman living in the USA? These things are issues in the Middle East, where very old, outdated religious practices still dictate law, but in the USA and here in Europe, there's nothing stopping Islamic women from doing whatever they like.

Hell, depending on how orthodox their family is, they could probably even not wear a Sari (like the current Ms. Marvel is not wearing one) with no stigma.


Well bully for her but as I said my problem is with the costume design. It looks low effort.
 

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I should be really pissed of at this...

I really should but at this point DC obviously doesn't give a fuck about any of their characters and are just trying to sell comics to horny teenager's

So yeah... I gave up as soon as I heard nightwing was now going to be a spy working for the government...

Yeah I have stopped giving a damn about DC comics

If they don't want to put in the effort to make the comics good and remain faithful to the source material

Why should I bother?
 

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mecegirl said:
Soviet Heavy said:
mecegirl said:
Is the TBF Avenger meant to be a pun?
I doubt it. The first few issues of the new comic did involve a plot where she is sent back in time to World War 2.
Ah. I was assuming it was a reference to her being a member of The Avengers, which would e funny.
 
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It looks exactly like a Dark Seducer from Shivering Isles with slightly more coverage.

[spoiler/][img/]http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/beast_shivering_darkseducer.png[/img][/spoiler]

Well done DC, she looks like one of Sheogorath's insane sex minions.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
mecegirl said:
Soviet Heavy said:
mecegirl said:
Is the TBF Avenger meant to be a pun?
I doubt it. The first few issues of the new comic did involve a plot where she is sent back in time to World War 2.
Ah. I was assuming it was a reference to her being a member of The Avengers, which would e funny.
I guess it could be both. That plane had a lot of fire power for its day didn't it? It would be like saying she was the most powerful avenger?