...What was Light's problem?

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Considering all the rules of the Death Note, couldn't he have any woman he pleases? "All the perks..." if you will.
 

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Axeli said:
It's widely accepted that Light was asexual. I mean, he pretends to be intrested in a pin-up magazine to seem like normal guy and the only time he ever sleeps with anyone is to futher his goals.
Wait, he did that? Anyway, I always considered Light to be one of those "ultra super liberal" types. The kinds that are so idealistic, that they will stop at nothing to "make the world a better place." All he needed was a tool. On topic of Misa, sure she's kinda cute, but she's annoying as they come.
 

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Besides, we all know the only one he saw as worthy of Light was L.
That sound my friend, is the sound of a million fangirls writing yaoi.
Yes. Yes it is.
Also, I really really really wish I didn't understand what you meant by that.

But yeah, everyone that's come before me has stated what I was already gonna say. Light is a vain, self absorbed, egomaniacal prick.
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Did anyone else get the vibe that L had the hots for Light?
 

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blue heartless said:
Considering all the rules of the Death Note, couldn't he have any woman he pleases? "All the perks..." if you will.
That is... an incredibly morbid usage of the Death Note. Technically, he could do it like that, but he'd need to have set their death in stone, which is very freaky. However, even if he DID care about sex, he wouldn't do it. He's proven incredibly capable of seduction without the need for any external tools.
 

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Ok first Misa was annoying and really rather childish. And second, what ARE you talking about? Were you even paying attention? Light was never truly interested in ANY girls throughout that entire series. His entire focus was on his goal of becoming a god. Any apparent interest shown towards any women was all just an act to further his goals.
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ReincarnatedFTP said:
thebobmaster said:
Besides, we all know the only one he saw as worthy of Light was L.
That sound my friend, is the sound of a million fangirls writing yaoi.
Or in the words or Yahtzee: "That oozing sound you just heard is the sound of all the world's homoerotic fan fiction writers simultaneously emitting torrents of hot lady spunk."

Kajin said:
Did anyone else get the vibe that L had the hots for Light?
NO!
 

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Xpwn3ntial said:
Axeli said:
It's widely accepted that Light was asexual. I mean, he pretends to be intrested in a pin-up magazine to seem like normal guy and the only time he ever sleeps with anyone is to futher his goals.
Wait, he did that? Anyway, I always considered Light to be one of those "ultra super liberal" types. The kinds that are so idealistic, that they will stop at nothing to "make the world a better place." All he needed was a tool. On topic of Misa, sure she's kinda cute, but she's annoying as they come.
Killing off every criminal in the world is not exactly what comes to my mind with "ultra liberal". And Light was egoistic first, idealism came second, if he ever really cared for it at all.
 

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Graustein said:
blue heartless said:
Considering all the rules of the Death Note, couldn't he have any woman he pleases? "All the perks..." if you will.
That is... an incredibly morbid usage of the Death Note. Technically, he could do it like that, but he'd need to have set their death in stone, which is very freaky. However, even if he DID care about sex, he wouldn't do it. He's proven incredibly capable of seduction without the need for any external tools.
Now, here's the kicker. He could presumably set the tim of death after his own, therefore sparing them from kicking the bucket before their time. There are many ways to take advantage of the "Cause of Death" clause.
 

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Sorry, my wording was off. You never had Ortmann for a teacher. He came up with this ideological spectrum, the furthest left was blood and the furthest right was oppression. You've probably seen one quite like it. The middle is a newborn baby (no opinions on any matters) the left was what we call liberal, then this dotted line separated it from absolute crazy idealist (where Light was). The right was conservative then another dotted line separated it from oppression. When I said the ultra liberal bit, that's what was going through my head.
 

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I do believe you are missing the point here.

You seem rather fixated with the problem that Light missed the fact that he had a very attractive impressionable girl willing to be his slave, over the seemingly minor problem THAT HIS HOBBIES INCLUDED MASS MURDER!

Did Light ever successfully sleep with anyone?
 

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Did anyone else get the vibe that L had the hots for Light?
Not 'the hots' exactly, but he was obviously insanely obsessed with Light.

However after that foot rub... who knows ;)

OT: Like everyone else has said. He's an evil serial killer with a god complex. He just used Misa to get where he wanted. Maybe he did bone her, who knows, but if he did it'd only be to further The Plan.
 

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I must admit, I don't remember Light chasing after any girls at all. He was a maniacal, power-hungry madman by that point: no way he'd be chasing after Misa.
 

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I haven't seen the anime, but in the manga, she was annoying as all get out, plus she posed a risk of his plans being discovered, because she was sloppy with her killings, if she hadn't dropped in, L probably would have never have had solid proof that Light was Kira.
 

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Did Light ever successfully sleep with anyone?
In the last episode that he actually meets with Kiyomi in a hotel, it's kind of implied by what she says. I think it's something like "So you can't stay until morning?"
 

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also, Light was bat-shit insane, who else can dramatically eat a chip while killing people?
I facepalmed at that. "I'll grab a chip... AND EAT IT!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
 

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blue heartless said:
Graustein said:
blue heartless said:
Considering all the rules of the Death Note, couldn't he have any woman he pleases? "All the perks..." if you will.
That is... an incredibly morbid usage of the Death Note. Technically, he could do it like that, but he'd need to have set their death in stone, which is very freaky. However, even if he DID care about sex, he wouldn't do it. He's proven incredibly capable of seduction without the need for any external tools.
Now, here's the kicker. He could presumably set the tim of death after his own, therefore sparing them from kicking the bucket before their time. There are many ways to take advantage of the "Cause of Death" clause.
I don't think Light is ever shown using the Death Note to indicate a time expressed in terms other than a specific clock time on a specific date. Knowing Light, he would definitely have attempted it - the uses for such a function would be too great for Light to not try it - and it would've been used in at least one of his schemes. Since he's not shown using it, I'm inferring that it's not actually possible to do that. It probably came up during his experimentation phase early on, and simply wasn't mentioned in the series proper. While it's just speculation on my part, the idea that someone as meticulous as Light didn't at least try it and, were he successful, use it extensively is so unlikely that it makes me assume it's not, in fact, possible.
 

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One, Misa was a *****. A dumb, shallow *****, with no visible redeeming features. She had to have something going for her, as not one but two "gods of death" died to save her ass, but I'll be damned if I can tell what it was. Light kept her around because she was useful and she'd willingly sacrifice large portions of her lifespan to let him pull off his crazy memory gambits.

Two, as a couple of people have noted, Light doesn't seem interested in sex. At all. This is a legitimate (lack of a) sexual orientation called asexuality, and you should strongly consider googling it.

blue heartless said:
Graustein said:
blue heartless said:
Considering all the rules of the Death Note, couldn't he have any woman he pleases? "All the perks..." if you will.
That is... an incredibly morbid usage of the Death Note. Technically, he could do it like that, but he'd need to have set their death in stone, which is very freaky. However, even if he DID care about sex, he wouldn't do it. He's proven incredibly capable of seduction without the need for any external tools.
Now, here's the kicker. He could presumably set the tim of death after his own, therefore sparing them from kicking the bucket before their time. There are many ways to take advantage of the "Cause of Death" clause.
No, the Death Note has to kill its target within 23 days of writing the name down, so you can't abuse it to make someone virtually immortal ("I will die painlessly five minutes after the heat death of the universe, having been totally healthy up until that point"). One of The Rules(tm).

Xpwn3ntial said:
Axeli said:
Sorry, my wording was off. You never had Ortmann for a teacher. He came up with this ideological spectrum, the furthest left was blood and the furthest right was oppression. You've probably seen one quite like it. The middle is a newborn baby (no opinions on any matters) the left was what we call liberal, then this dotted line separated it from absolute crazy idealist (where Light was). The right was conservative then another dotted line separated it from oppression. When I said the ultra liberal bit, that's what was going through my head.
I'm reminded of the love vs. fear scene from Donnie Darko, and my thoughts on it are similar, though I'll be politer about it.

It seems like a simplistic view of human ideology. I mean, pre-4th Edition D&D's 3x3 alignment grid got some flack for being two dimensional, but I always thought it made sense in a simplistic way, if you were willing to admit the possibility of people reaching the same point on the grid for different reasons and acting on their hate/love of society and desire to help/hurt others in different ways. But that doesn't even have a full two dimensions.

What would your teacher think of, say, the Cynics, who taught that the way to happiness was ditching as much responsibility as you could and not caring what anyone else thought of you for doing so? Or the Stoics (and as far as I can tell, Buddhists) saying to concentrate on improving yourself, since you're the only person you have any control over, and if enough people work on themselves, the world will improve (not so much the Buddhists there, since they're trying to escape the world completely, but that's another good example)? Furthermore, I'm pretty sure the left can use government oppression to advance an agenda, and the far, far right often believes it's on a mission from God. There's some validity to his idea, I think, in his assertion that craziness is the ultimate result of both ends of the political spectrum as is commonly defined, but it's hardly a grand unified theory of ideology.

I don't think Light was an idealist, either. He repeatedly states that the world is rotten, that evil people trample over the weak and the weak are tempted to do evil themselves to improve their lots in life, that society needed someone to dispense brutal justice from on high so that the common people would have an example to follow and be free to live without interference from the wicked, and he said that he'd believed this before he got the Death Note, hence his rapid decision to use it to remodel the world after his beliefs.

In short, he's basically the reincarnation of Thomas Hobbes, gone batshit insane. Whether or not you believe Hobbes was right is another discussion (I lean towards "yes," for the record) but he was absolutely not an idealist. "The war of all against all" probably qualifies as anti-idealism, if anything.