What was so bad about Indiana Jones 4

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

You cannot survive a Nuclear Blast hiding in a fucking fridge.

You can't age incredibly fast by drinking the wrong mug. You can't heal any wound with water from the holy grail. Indy has never been too keen on realism has he?

OT: I thought it was a good movie, people just always moan about any attempt to continue and old film because they don't want their precious, precious memories ruined, they'd rather just sit and watch the old film over and over again.

I'm sorry do you have a holy grail on you handy to test that theory? No? Didn't think so...

There is a difference between the "Holy Grail" and throwing in Aliens when there is no need what so ever.

 

[Sebenko]

What really put me off was the crystal skull prop itself.
It looked like it was made of hollow plastic, then stuffed with cling film, scrunched up.

Spoiler: this stuff

Spoiler: the forehead of the skull, look!

As an aside, searching for "cling film" on Google image search with safe search off brings up far too many pictures of women wearing cling film. And little else.

 

[Sipo]

Maybe the whole George Lucas rearing his ugly alien head and ruining everything.

^^^^^^
Basically that

 

[WrongSprite]

You cannot survive a Nuclear Blast hiding in a fucking fridge.

You can't age incredibly fast by drinking the wrong mug. You can't heal any wound with water from the holy grail. Indy has never been too keen on realism has he?

OT: I thought it was a good movie, people just always moan about any attempt to continue and old film because they don't want their precious, precious memories ruined, they'd rather just sit and watch the old film over and over again.

I'm sorry do you have a holy grail on you handy to test that theory? No? Didn't think so...

Have you seen any aliens? Well have you?

>_>

 

[Wakefield]

Aliens.

 

[Nazulu]

Because these people are whiny nostalgic dick-heads who wouldn't be satisfied with ANYTHING they made. If they added nothing new: "WTF MAN ITS THE SAME SHIT!!!" When they add something new: "WTF MAN ITS NOT THE SAME!!!!" People were going to complain no matter what. They could remake the first movie EXACTLY the way it was the first time and fanboys would still ***** endlessly at it.

Everyone who criticizes it is a nostalgic dick-head? Hmmmm, or maybe your just one of those people who accepts anything up their ass.

I love it how you keep doing THIS and that you think everybody is the same. Yes everyone with a different opinion is a dick head and is wrong.

I was speaking about the certain group of people the OP described. I'm sure there's other perfectly good reason to hate it. I hate the first movies. You'd know that if you read the posts you responded to. AND CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME.

I used the words, nostalgic and fanboy so that I didn't confuse anyone.

Also Indiana Jones was okay even if it's over rated. Star Wars is worse...

Well when you start your sentence of with "these people" that could be anyone or everyone against. I get what your saying now anyway and I know some fanboys are like that, they can be pretty extreme too.

Also the reason you hear and see so much Indy and SW is because they were very original and is a main inspiration for many other movies and shows. I know very well that they aren't the best movies though, there are definitely better made movies.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

You cannot survive a Nuclear Blast hiding in a fucking fridge.

You can't age incredibly fast by drinking the wrong mug. You can't heal any wound with water from the holy grail. Indy has never been too keen on realism has he?

OT: I thought it was a good movie, people just always moan about any attempt to continue and old film because they don't want their precious, precious memories ruined, they'd rather just sit and watch the old film over and over again.

I'm sorry do you have a holy grail on you handy to test that theory? No? Didn't think so...

Have you seen any aliens? Well have you?

>_>

Nope so both theories are about as plausable as me killing some with mind bullets.

I'd rather they stuck with same central themed crap of biblical and religious stuff than go with the alien as it doesn't go with Indie's theme.

 

[NicolasMarinus]

- Aliens
- CGI lovefest
- Shia Labeouf
- Aliens
- too many side-characters
- John Hurt's character

And last but not least, aliens.

 

[sicsfo]

all im saying is "aliens are in it" or "shia leboeuf is stupid" are not valid reasons for the entire movie to be labeled as horrible

More reasons are given by more sensible people. Read the first fucking page next time, eh?


Anyway, to the OP, I thought Indy 4 was--in it's best shots-- an average film. it was fun to watch in some parts, but also very aggravating and annoying in others.
I was just going to list off some reasons, but this person said exactly what I wanted to say.

My problem with the movie is not that aliens are too unrealistic, it is that the whole alien-thing was absolutly unneccesary for the story.

As far as I can remember they pick up that skull somewhere, then go and want to return it to this temple-thing. The aliens come into the story, just in time to fire off some special effects and to effortlessly solve the plot. That is Deus Ex Machina on Kindergarden-Level.

No film that expects to be taken serious as a work of storytelling can solve its plot by saying "Aliens did it", "He was himself from the future" or "Well, guess that was destiny".

What if MacBeth had discovered that the witches were aliens, from the future? Would that have been a good story? Hell no, because we live in the modern age, were we are interesseted, or at least should be, in actual human minds, indstead of special effects, dragons and other nonexisting stuff.

So, let me get to that Holy-Grail-Argument, that has been hanging around in this thread.

Jep, the other movies had supernatural elements. They were fine.
And here is why:

The last crusade, for example, actually was about the search for the holy grail. From the frist ten minutes or so, everybody brags on about that thing. But meanwhile it was NOT necessary for the plot or the film being completed or good.

If Indiana had opened the last chamber, just finding a letter "Dear Indiana, I.o.u a grail. ~God." the movie wouldn't have lost any of it's charme.

Why?

Because it was about the father-son-relationship, about crazy nazi-stuff, about the quest, the sreach for the grail. That is the reason, why indiana couldn't take the thing to a museum. Because it was only a mean to drive the storyline, not it's conclusion.

Take away the aliens from the crystal skull and see what you get.
Nothing.
Bland Phrases, soft-sience nukes and Harrison Ford.

i quit reading that post when i saw "we live in the modern age, were we are interesseted, or at least should be, in actual human minds, indstead of special effects, dragons and other nonexisting stuff."

if you believe we should be interested in human minds instead of special effects, dragons and other non-existing stuff, then why are we posting on a video game site? arent video games, movies and other forms of escapism meant for "non-existing stuff?"

either way its irrelevant cause Indy 4 was not a bad movie, nor the worst of the franchise

 

[NeuroticMarshmallow]

I feel the argument with the fridge is weak. So what if he survived in a fridge during a nuclear explosion.Its no more implausible then someone tearing your heart out and you managing to survive it or supernatural forces melting your face off. Well I think its primarily cause no one really wanted a sequel that badly. Trying to capitalize on these amazing films is just catering to the fans. It doesn't have the same feel as the old ones do. I'll be honest-I don't mind Indy 4-in fact I enjoyed it-but it pales in every way imaginable to the original. And that's just it-the original. The films ran their course. to rehash it is actually more mean to the fans then it is to cater to them.

 

[Ben Legend]

I here a lot of hate about this movie, i watched it myself and didn't thing it was perfect, but it doesn't seem to deserve all this hate that is thrown its way. I actually disliked Temple of Doom more personally, so who can explain all this hate.

I know yeah, I don't understand all the hate towards it, I quite enjoyed it, even though I was bit ...eh.... at the aliens.

 

[EeveeElectro]

Watching it, I was like :
"zzzzz... OH MY GOD ACTION WOW! OHHzzzzzz... MOAR ACTION! D; oh wait. zzzz."
My attention span is horrendous.

And Harrison Ford is wow for his age.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

Watch the south park episode
enough said

This^^
Whats even funnier is when we came out of the cinema one of my firends said to the group "Lucas & Spielberg have just raped my childhood"

 

[Zetona]

I thought it was a good movie, but it seemed like Lucas/Spielberg had forgotten some of the key elements of previous Indiana Jones movies. For instance, don't show the supernatural power. Only show its effects.

Otherwise, the worst bit was the blatant crotch-shot sequence during the fight through the jungle, because it was just so obviously trying to make the movie relevant to a younger crowd when it wasn't necessary to do so.

 

[Exterminas]

i quit reading that post when i saw "we live in the modern age, were we are interesseted, or at least should be, in actual human minds, indstead of special effects, dragons and other nonexisting stuff."

if you believe we should be interested in human minds instead of special effects, dragons and other non-existing stuff, then why are we posting on a video game site? arent video games, movies and other forms of escapism meant for "non-existing stuff?"

either way its irrelevant cause Indy 4 was not a bad movie, nor the worst of the franchise

Yeah, may be I didn't express it the right way.

I am not against fiction. I am against fiction for the effects sake. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing *bad* about cookie cutter stuff that is just the same old drill over and over again. But it is not "interesting" anymore. Seen one massive orc battle, seen them all.

Lord of the Rings was interesting, because it somehow founded the genre, or at least is a landmark for it. But all the other hundrets of thousands fantasy novels, that followed it, without adding something of further content, like for example better characters, a more diverse opposition, are not interesting to me.

Good games are not about things as simple as imagine a nonexisting world, they are about the details in that world. That can be the characters, the landscape, what ever. Take Morrowind as an example. Imaginative without being boring, or uninteresting, because they actually did something original and expandet the format beyond "Go there, slay bad guy"

So, to get back on topic: I think every form of media, interactive or noninteractive, has to have some content. A story, a message, one ore more caracters. The presentation is a mean to express the content, not the other way round, wich was the impression the movie gave me.

I hope i somehow got the tone here, significance is not a strong point of mine.

 

[Xanadu84]

You cannot survive a Nuclear Blast hiding in a fucking fridge.

You can't age incredibly fast by drinking the wrong mug. You can't heal any wound with water from the holy grail. Indy has never been too keen on realism has he?

OT: I thought it was a good movie, people just always moan about any attempt to continue and old film because they don't want their precious, precious memories ruined, they'd rather just sit and watch the old film over and over again.

This is embarrassing, but I first saw the Indy movie a matter of weeks before I saw Crystal Skull. Yeah, Ill take the abuse... ... ... anyways, The others were pretty good, Crystal Skull was dumb.

The issue with the fridge was that it was completely unbelieveable, which is completely different from realism. See, Indy may not be realistic, but it's consistent. Indy can do anything that seems feasible, technically, with a ever so slight hint of magic which is consistent with Nazi occult/ancient artifact/religious tomfoolery. That's why all the amazing fight and chase scenes work, because for the most part, you can imagine the ideas working once every million try's. I will even go so far as to say that if Indy just went into the fridge and crawled out again, I could deal with it. But falling that height would make mush out of you 100% of the times, and even the most suspended disbelief with violently snap back on the watcher. Indy didn't survive the fall because of luck and skill, he didn't die because hes the main character, and he needed to look cool, and the writers were lazy.

Then there's Aliens. That's a major problem. It just doesn't fit. Indy has a very strong feel to it, and Aliens just doesn't work. Just because its wacky and fantastic doesn't mean it fits Indy's wacky and fantastic. It destroys believability.

Sad thing it, there was good parts of Crystal Skull. The Aliens jumped the shark to a degree that actually exceeded the Fonz literally jumping the shark, and the fridge scene is an obvious enemy, but between those, it was pretty standard Indy goodness. Then, ruined. I get the impression that someone needs to put a shock collar of George Lucas, so they can reel him in from the crazy.

 

[Durxom]

I don't understand people's problem with the aliens and the russians...all Indiana Jones was in the first place, was a play on old 30-40s adventure B-movies, so with the cast aging ahead 20 years, they moved the setting to 50s sci-fi B-movies, and the russians, since it would be the Cold War, not WWII anymore

 

[Psychophante]

George Lucas revealing he's an alien, and flying off to screw up some other planet's film franchises

 

[Daezd]

all im saying is "aliens are in it" or "shia leboeuf is stupid" are not valid reasons for the entire movie to be labeled as horrible

More reasons are given by more sensible people. Read the first fucking page next time, eh?


Anyway, to the OP, I thought Indy 4 was--in it's best shots-- an average film. it was fun to watch in some parts, but also very aggravating and annoying in others.
I was just going to list off some reasons, but this person said exactly what I wanted to say.

My problem with the movie is not that aliens are too unrealistic, it is that the whole alien-thing was absolutly unneccesary for the story.

As far as I can remember they pick up that skull somewhere, then go and want to return it to this temple-thing. The aliens come into the story, just in time to fire off some special effects and to effortlessly solve the plot. That is Deus Ex Machina on Kindergarden-Level.

No film that expects to be taken serious as a work of storytelling can solve its plot by saying "Aliens did it", "He was himself from the future" or "Well, guess that was destiny".

What if MacBeth had discovered that the witches were aliens, from the future? Would that have been a good story? Hell no, because we live in the modern age, were we are interesseted, or at least should be, in actual human minds, indstead of special effects, dragons and other nonexisting stuff.

So, let me get to that Holy-Grail-Argument, that has been hanging around in this thread.

Jep, the other movies had supernatural elements. They were fine.
And here is why:

The last crusade, for example, actually was about the search for the holy grail. From the frist ten minutes or so, everybody brags on about that thing. But meanwhile it was NOT necessary for the plot or the film being completed or good.

If Indiana had opened the last chamber, just finding a letter "Dear Indiana, I.o.u a grail. ~God." the movie wouldn't have lost any of it's charme.

Why?

Because it was about the father-son-relationship, about crazy nazi-stuff, about the quest, the sreach for the grail. That is the reason, why indiana couldn't take the thing to a museum. Because it was only a mean to drive the storyline, not it's conclusion.

Take away the aliens from the crystal skull and see what you get.
Nothing.
Bland Phrases, soft-sience nukes and Harrison Ford.

i quit reading that post when i saw "we live in the modern age, were we are interesseted, or at least should be, in actual human minds, indstead of special effects, dragons and other nonexisting stuff."

if you believe we should be interested in human minds instead of special effects, dragons and other non-existing stuff, then why are we posting on a video game site? arent video games, movies and other forms of escapism meant for "non-existing stuff?"

either way its irrelevant cause Indy 4 was not a bad movie, nor the worst of the franchise

So, let me get to that Holy-Grail-Argument, that has been hanging around in this thread.

Jep, the other movies had supernatural elements. They were fine.
And here is why:

The last crusade, for example, actually was about the search for the holy grail. From the frist ten minutes or so, everybody brags on about that thing. But meanwhile it was NOT necessary for the plot or the film being completed or good.

If Indiana had opened the last chamber, just finding a letter "Dear Indiana, I.o.u a grail. ~God." the movie wouldn't have lost any of it's charme.

Why?

Because it was about the father-son-relationship, about crazy nazi-stuff, about the quest, the sreach for the grail. That is the reason, why indiana couldn't take the thing to a museum. Because it was only a mean to drive the storyline, not it's conclusion.

Take away the aliens from the crystal skull and see what you get.
Nothing.
Bland Phrases, soft-sience nukes and Harrison Ford.

Read this then. I don't even know why I'm doing this, you obviously won't be persuaded otherwise so I'll just be done after this.