What Will Become of the Escapist?

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Smooth Operator

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There seems to be alot of bad blood boiling around this, and the Escapist does seem to have a very odd way of doing things, I understand if cash is tight but you can't just let people hanging like that.

Make a bloody business plan, if you can't keep everyone on payroll then just boil it down to a few quality shows until things pick up again.

Then try a fund raiser for new shows and be straight with people whats going on.
It's quite clear that people will help out if they get the right cause, just give them something proper to help out with (that Yahtzee thing was just really badly done).
 
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Hello friends. In all the recent hubbub I have been moved significantly, and want very much for this vision of what a gaming magazine can be to succeed. This is my first post, so wish me luck.

OK, here goes:

*deep breath*

As I currently understand it, finances are tight. This shouldn't come as too much of a shock, since with the recession, less ad revenue and less membership subscriptions are par for the course. It is wholly unsurprising that an online magazine would be near the bottom of the list of most people's (and corporations') budgets.

With that one immutable fact in mind, The Escapist must now cope with either lowering costs, raising revenue, or both. While this is quite obvious, I feel that it would nonetheless be useful to discuss what the implications of this statement are:

On the cost-cutting side:
- A reduction in quality and quantity of content providers on the site.
- Less in the way of promotions, sales, and prize giveaways.
- Letting go of non-essential staff, meaning less reviews, articles, and editorials. In addition, if the moderators are paid, there is a chance some of them would be let go as well.

On the revenue side:
- More ads
- A bigger marketing push to buy escapist products
- More sponsored articles, or sponsored reviews of games
- Creating more pay-to-view content, i.e. ZP, LRR, "memebers-only" forum posting (a la Something Awful)

Those are just off the top of my head. All, some, or none could be implemented by the Escapist.

Now is the time for strict budgeting, and the trimming of fat from the Escapist's expenditures. When times are tough, the best thing to do is consult one's mission statement and ask "What does this entity stand for?" I feel that a refocusing on the core values of the Escapist might make some of the harder decisions easier to swallow.

To that end-

Again, as I understand it, the Escapist's mission is to be the "mouthpiece of the gaming generation" (I hope I got that right). If this is indeed a correct understanding I believe the escapist should:

-Cut down, or cease entirely, their objective reviews of video games and other media. There are plenty of sites that already do this, and it contributes little to achieving their mission. Now, content like ZP should be promoted, since it serves to improve the industry as a whole (to keep us from building submarines out of bread as it were). If a pay-to-view system were enacted for the most talented of these content producers, my hope is that money could be put back into the discovery and promotion of new talent (much like what the E is doing with the Jimquisition).

-Cut down, or cease entirely, the reporting of non-gaming news, and re-work the criteria for reporting it. What I mean by this statement is, rather then just report anything with a gaming tag in it (as many, many sites already do), the Escapist should ask itself, how can we use our reporting of gaming news to promote our mission (I hope you're noticing a theme here). For example, in my opinion, I do not think the Escapist has the resources or creative talent to make compelling previews of upcoming games that could seriously compete with the likes of IGN, nor do I think that such previews allow the Escapist to further itself as a mouthpiece of the gaming generation. Instead, perhaps report on the evil machinations of large video game mega-corporations (I'm looking at you Kotick) so that we can continue to call them out for their shenanigans. I envision a bright future for the Escapist wherein in builds on the success of proven brands like ZP and becomes a feared watchdog of the industry, thus causing in to improve itself and advance the medium as a whole.

At the same time, to refocus upon its mission, I believe the Escapist should promote its "serious" articles on the nature of what it is to be a gamer, to love a game, to create a game, etc. etc. etc. It is within these articles that I believe the Escapist can distinguish itself from the crowd of video game media, and indeed elevate itself to true greatness.



Was it not for these articles that the Escapist was first created?



In recent times however, more and more of the spotlight has been instead shown upon things like news, reviews, third-party content -- all things that I fear stray from what the Escapist's mission is. Within them, serious thought is put into a medium we cherish, thereby giving it new meaning and promoting the discussion of it within these very forums. By thinking and talking about video games, we gave them new meaning beyond a simple hobby or past time and give them the potential to be be something more, something, dare I say it, artful.

Finally, I would like to reaffirm my love for these forums. Goddammit Escapist, if you get rid of the fantastic moderators on here or scare everyone off with obtuse get-rich schemes, expect a firm finger-wagging from me. It is *so* hard to develop a community as good as this one, one where debate and discussion can occur on a more intellectual level. I believe that the forum will continue to be a firm anchor, and it would behoove the Escapist to continue or even expand their support of not only the forums, but their integration in to the site as a whole (by which I mean the fact that, for example, news articles are automatically poted to the news forum).


These are what I feel are the issues facing the Escapist, and my hopes for the future of the enterprise.

*whew* OK, somebody cut me a check.
 

PeePantz

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Unless the recession improve greatly, the worse case scenario would be this site will shut down (which I do NOT want to see) which is still unlikely since surely they can still stay afloat somehow?
I don't wish to see this shut down either. That being said, my response to this will follow TimeLord's quote
TimeLord said:
The Escapist shouldn't live and die on it's videos. In theory.
It was originally a PDF magazine. If worst comes to absolute worst, could they not just go back to that and start again?
I agree about the video statement, I've always felt that most of the videos are more of an added bonus with the articles/news feeds/reviews being the primary reason to come here for gaming requirements or inquiries. However (I'm relatively ignorant to the Escapist start up history), I feel that with success, they've tried very hard to make a maximum profit website, which is totally fine. Now that its primary goal is monetary, it could never go back to being a small PDF magazine. It would most likely collapse. Too many people involved that rely on this as their primary source of income.

Through videos, they have found the best way to make money. More viewers = more ads being watched and more people signing up for pub club. Alienating video contributors and not paying the staff will eventually lead to loss of videos (and article contributors) and the lack of quality in the replacement videos. This will no doubt lead to further loss of money.

I feel that the Escapist, in a way to generate more money, made a huge gamble that they, to borrow a blackjack term, "busted" on. They gobbled up a lot of known talent with little ways of paying them in hopes that greater popularity would produce a significant amount of revenue. This, sadly, did not work out. They did not see the money they were expecting to make, leaving them with not enough to pay these contributors. I would even speculate that they lost money and are now facing an uncertain time in the economy where they can be financially crippled.

I believe in the worst case scenario, they would try to recoup some lost money and sell. I remember, not too long ago, a thread that stated that they were worth $500,000. With the state of uncertainty that buyers would have, they wouldn't be able to land that much, but they might try to get whatever they can if they feel they're on a sinking ship.

If they did sell, there would obviously be a huge overhaul and change to this site, leaving us with something totally different.
 

Nouw

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At the very worst, it'll restart from being what it originally was. A PDF magazine!

And I'm fine with that, as long as I have the forums or some other kind of communication with my friends.
 

blankedboy

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No matter what happens I'll stay in the forums, because community community. To be honest I've started to pay a hell of a lot less attention to videos, save maybe EC.
 

DexterNorgam

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Varitel said:
We could see them dropping some of their video content, but the primary serials will likely remain intact. The forums will also likely remain intact.

Also,

DexterNorgam said:
Hard to say, If they keep losing content, and keep tolerating all the child molesters in the forum the escapists days could be numbered.
Since when are there child molesters on the forums?
Since when hasn't there been? I'm new here but already I've seen WAY too many people sticking up for child molesters and arguing for child porn to be legal... From what I've been warned by kindly older members I'm treading on thin ice here with the mods who seem to tolerate for some unknown reason. These older members tell me that this forum often has such outbreaks and from the vile stuff that's been messaged to me I tend to believe them.
 

BloodSquirrel

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Letting pedophiles run rampant? lol wut? I would love to hear that story. PM me if you cant write it openly.
A story from "Hardcore_racist" (post count: 15) about pedophiles on the forum after he accused James of scamming people, citing no source?

Seems legit, bro.
 

EHKOS

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Well, if the Escapist is looking for cheap talent, I could be of use. I was thinking about starting a PS2 review career called "Old school for the new school". Just throwing that out there.....
 

Dense_Electric

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What's this garbage about pedophiles running rampant now?

As for the Extra Credits thing, everyone needs to stop pulling assumptions out of their asses and settle the fuck down until we know more. We don't have enough information to determine who's at fault (or who's more at fault) yet, suffice it to say that I don't think either party is intentionally trying to screw the other party or the RocketHub donators over. What probably happened was a miscommunication on someone's end that snowballed into the current situation. Let's just sit back, stop throwing fuel in the fire, and let James and Alexander resolve it (hopefully) civilly.

Also the Escapist is fine, even if EC leaves, they've still got Yahtzee and MovieBob, plus all the other contributors that don't get as much recognition as the big three.
 

Mr Montmorency

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Bankruptcy and shutdown, most likely.

There's been a lot of tension before, what with Maoist moderators, infestation of spyware/advertisements and legalese employees appearing in critical topics with elitism and "nobody will miss you, there's the door". The recent events have snapped the community like a rubber band. They've not exactly nursed a good public image in light of the fact that they're obviously nursing a giant hole in the Great Lighthouse of Alexandria.

It's GOING to shut down, the question is just how long it will take. If Yahtzee leaves, he doesn't go down with the ship, and it will die faster. Most likely, Yahtzee hasn't felt any issues that other contributors are experiencing, since he's basically the mascot. They wouldn't want to piss of the reason why everyone is still here.
 

FalloutJack

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PeePantz said:
Times are not great for the Escapist right now. Obviously this is has come to light due to the whole EC -vs- Escapists battle royale. However, this thread isn't really about that battle, but more of the reactions to all the dirty laundry that has been exposed.

We are now aware that the Escapist is financially hurting a little and if the US enters another recession, things will only get worse. With being unable to pay employers and the self acknowledging cutting of features, this slide will probably only get worse before it gets better.

I personally am expecting more contributors to jump on the EC bandwagon and leave, now that the proverbial first step has been taken. Also, with more users now not re-upping their publisher club accounts, their will be less money to go out and get new (well maybe not new, but quality) talent.

The question now is, what direction do you think the Escapist will go in and how will this site be in about a years time?
You want to know what I think will happen to the Escapist?

The Daleks have a message for all the Escapist Magazine.

 

Mrsoupcup

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Long as Movie Bob, Yahtzee and Critical Miss stay I wont leave. And while I wish it wouldn't get dropped I think Un-skippable has run it's course.

Also if they're dropping series it would be nice if the Escapist Show came back, or ENN.
 

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Hardcore_racist said:
Saucycardog said:
Pilkingtube said:
Sorry I seem to have missed something here, what is EC and where are you getting details of The Escapist's financial information? As far as I have seen, The Escapist seems to be doing fine! :)

EDIT: Sorry guys, been a bit busy what with all the riots etc, have now read up on it.

Seems like James tried to screw over the Escapist and then spin it to make them look like the bad guys. If he really did promise the extra money to Extra Credits rather than an Indie Publishing Company all to himself, then legally threaten the Escapist with breach of contract for not paying him fast enough (after they said he'd be paid within a week) then fuck him. Fuck his egotistical bullshit for pulling that on them and then trying to make it look like the Escapist were the devil himself by spinning it in an amazingly one-sided posting.

If not then the Escapist don' goofed.

Oh, and my house is still relatively intact, and no i'm not totally bitter and angry.
I don't know where your getting this false information. James wanted to use the money for a non-profit indie publishing company. They've always believed in the creativity and hard work of developers. With this company, their reinforcing that belief.
Have you actually read the response from that guy hired on The Escapist? Because judging by that, I'd say that James is a scammer and a liar. I have low respect for The Escapist due to prior things, like letting pedophiles run rampant, so I'm not biased in favor of The Escapist or anything if you think that. But the facts seem pretty obvious, that Extra Credits is fooling its gullible into giving them money. I kinda hope The Escapist takes him to court for defamation, because the fucker deserves it.

Have you ever even watched Extra Credits (obviously not, you don't have any emblems)? Have you even seen the articles about what the donations would go towards?

http://www.rockethub.com/projects/2165-extra-credits/posts/740

I guess the real question is, have you looked at ANYTHING having to do with the issue?

They requested donations because the artist for their show needed surgery on her arm/hand/whatever (because TheEscapist wasn't paying them I might add. And "pay last" does not = "Do Not Pay For Half A Year". And while I'm on that, UnrealRealms, an old contributor that left, didn't get paid until 14 months after they were owed money. Incase you're having trouble understanding that, imagine not being paid for a year and 2 months.) They got their donations, much more than they expected. They said they'd put that money towards something good, they just needed to discuss what that would be. People obviously were ok with that so they kept donating.Then they decided they'd use the money to create a fund to publish indie games. Something any fan of Extra Credits is most likely totally on board with, as is evident by the comments in that link. So people kept donating. A Lot. %660 of the goal.

Don't talk about "Facts" when you don't even know basic ones like this that have been discussed to death already. And don't talk about being "gullible" when you're taking a side before the e-mails have even been released.

Honestly, I don't know why I'm even trying to educate you on the issue, you're name is hardcore racist for fucks sake. Bottom line, learn to fucking internet, or gtfo.
 

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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH said:
On the revenue side:
- More ads
- A bigger marketing push to buy escapist products
- More sponsored articles, or sponsored reviews of games
- Creating more pay-to-view content, i.e. ZP, LRR, "memebers-only" forum posting (a la Something Awful)
No way. Nuh uh. If LRR becomes pay-to-view I am SO out of here. They're the ONLY reason I come here (Yeah, I do hate ZP) and they don't post their videos anywhere else. They used to go on their site, but now everything links back to the Escapist...
 

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One Hit Noob said:
The Virgo said:
Evill_Bob said:
They may loose some of the less popular series in favor of keeping the more popular ones. No worries, we'll be watching that crazy little Australian rant for at least a while longer.
Agreed! Getting rid of Yahtzee would be stupid. You can't deny that he is he one of the players here and sacking him would be suicide for The Escapist.

If they do sack him or he loses job because this website bellies up, I'm not worried about Yahtzee. He will just move Zero Punctuation to another website and all his fans (including me) will follow him there. Or he could do writing for a videogame magazine (he just to do the backspace column for PC Gamer some years ago). Either way, he has a fan base and prospective employers know this.
I heard that he might attempt at joining Valve. Sweet.
:D HA! FUCK YEAH!

Seeing as how VALVe has slowly become a bit too mainstream and stupid (Hats for games? Really, VALVe?), I hope he gets a position that gives him enough rank to say, in that British accent of his, "Okay guys, that idea was really FUCKING STUPID."
 

Hoplon

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Hardcore_racist said:
Have you actually read the response from that guy hired on The Escapist? Because judging by that, I'd say that James is a scammer and a liar. I have low respect for The Escapist due to prior things, like letting pedophiles run rampant, so I'm not biased in favor of The Escapist or anything if you think that. But the facts seem pretty obvious, that Extra Credits is fooling its gullible into giving them money. I kinda hope The Escapist takes him to court for defamation, because the fucker deserves it.
How is not getting paid for over a year being a scammer? How is using the donations that have massively over whelmed the original target for something that they have only talked the talk about so far being a scammer?

Yes, they really didn't get paid for a year, the publisher of the escapist confirmed this.