What Would PC Gaming Look Like Without Valve?

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Crystal Cuckoo

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The cake would not be a lie.

Ago Iterum said:
Jesus Christ. PC gaming was big LONG before Valve came along, they haven't done anything innovative whatsoever. There are other applications that work like Steam, and in my experience, Steam is a bugged annoyance of a programme which I avoid using at all costs.

Valves games aren't even THAT good! They're hardly anything new.

EDIT* And I've just been reminded of the prices of games on Steam. Sometimes double the price of a store bought copy, and you don't even get a physical copy of it...
You obviously don't live in Australia.
Games on Steam are WAY cheaper than if bought in retail, and that's with the current exchange rate.

Edit: Also, not as many people would go to internet cafes much. My friends and I onl go there to play CS:S, DotA, and Left 4 Dead.
 

Seydaman

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Crystal Cuckoo said:
The cake would not be a lie.

Ago Iterum said:
Jesus Christ. PC gaming was big LONG before Valve came along, they haven't done anything innovative whatsoever. There are other applications that work like Steam, and in my experience, Steam is a bugged annoyance of a programme which I avoid using at all costs.

Valves games aren't even THAT good! They're hardly anything new.

EDIT* And I've just been reminded of the prices of games on Steam. Sometimes double the price of a store bought copy, and you don't even get a physical copy of it...
You obviously don't live in Australia.
Games on Steam are WAY cheaper than if bought in retail, and that's with the current exchange rate.

Edit: Also, not as many people would go to internet cafes much. My friends and I onl go there to play CS:S, DotA, and Left 4 Dead.
steam is expensive? since when? cheaper where i live (usa) and don't give me bs of not having a copy. does it REALLY stop you from playing the fucking game. and bugged? name 3 bugs and i will give you a cookie
 

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gigastrike said:
If Half-Life was never made, we would see far less adventure/shooters (but seriously, name one other good one). If Counter Strike was never made, the PC shooter would be based around the Call of Duty and Battlefield series instead (which it pretty much is now (and I think Counter Strike was a third-party mod of Half-Life, so we may have seen it the form of a Quake mod anyway). Portal would have been made regardless, though it's argueable about if it would have been as good (but I have yet to see a PC game that screams "I want to be like Portal!")If Steam was never created, people would just buy their games off of one of the many other sources or just buy it at Best Buy like a normal person, and they would use Xfire, forums, and in-game game selection to play with friends.

I don't think Valve made as big of an impact as you think.
its possible..if only we had a machine to test this!!
 

phar

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Everyone would be playing many other games and not playing dust2 over and over on CS.

Just imagine how awesome it would be to see people playing games like UT3 or some other different games!
 

Devildoc

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We'd still be buying most of our games on DVD's rather than digital distribution, and FPS's would have given up on trying to have a coherent story and just focused around deathmatches. The popularity contest would be between Quake series and Unreal. Valve just gave us a new way to get games (not to mention the outright STEALS they have on steam sometimes.. L4D for what was it $9.99 for a short period of time? Original halflife for 99 cents or something?) and also made shooters that went beyond just death matches but actually had a good story and environment to them, and with the mods available expanded the choices for multiplayer action with counterstrike and Team Fortress.

I think we wouldn't be BAD off, such as console gaming would be without Nintendo so to say.. but we're definately in a better position because of Valve.
 

Devildoc

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Something I'd like to point out.. Half-Life 2 is a completely single player game, there's no multiplayer component. That would normally be SUICIDE for a first person shooter, to focus entirely on a single player campaign and story.

Yet Half-Life 2 and all it's episodes have been very successful, despite being entirely single player first person shooters (it DOES help that it's all now bundled in the orange box, but even prior to the Orange Box Half-Life 2 sold millions of copies).

Kinda interesting.
 

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Devildoc said:
Something I'd like to point out.. Half-Life 2 is a completely single player game, there's no multiplayer component. That would normally be SUICIDE for a first person shooter, to focus entirely on a single player campaign and story.

Yet Half-Life 2 and all it's episodes have been very successful, despite being entirely single player first person shooters (it DOES help that it's all now bundled in the orange box, but even prior to the Orange Box Half-Life 2 sold millions of copies).

Kinda interesting.
Counter-Strike: Source was HL2's multiplayer. It came with HL2 in the same box. Later they released HL2: Deatmatch too.
 

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Meh. Portal deserves all the praise it gets and more, but it's only a few hours of awesome before you put it away forever, and a few hours isn't enough to make me like a company. I like TF2, pretty cool game, but it's not exactly anything revolutionary. It's just a fairly good FPS. I get just as much fun out of Halo. Excuse me, I think I see an angry mob outside, I'll be back in a few moments.

Well, anyway, I've played the start of Half-Life 2, and it's a total meh. After the first session, I had to force myself to keep on going, and after doing so a couple of times I realised that if you have to do that then there's no reason to play the game. It seems to be an average FPS with a nasty case of Zelda, a disease that causes recurring cases of nonsensical and pointless puzzles, at least one of which is, according to Yahtzee at least, repeated ad nauseam throughout the series. I don't see anything particularly interesting about it.

As for other games, well, I've only bought The Orange Box, so I can't say. However, I must say that Steam is pretty cool, mainly because it lets us Australians dodge the having the nicest beaches tax and get games for reasonable prices. Still, I can't really say that that's because of Valve, it's just because our government/games industry/whatever it is that makes the games expensive if bloody stupid and Valve are lucky enough to have a shop that avoids said stupidity.
 

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Indigo_Dingo said:
oliveira8 said:
games like World of Goo and Audiosurf would be doomed into obscurity.
Iphone applications, Wiiware.
It wasnt those two that made it famous.
gigastrike said:
If Half-Life was never made, we would see far less adventure/shooters (but seriously, name one other good one). If Counter Strike was never made, the PC shooter would be based around the Call of Duty and Battlefield series instead (which it pretty much is now (and I think Counter Strike was a third-party mod of Half-Life, so we may have seen it the form of a Quake mod anyway). Portal would have been made regardless, though it's argueable about if it would have been as good (but I have yet to see a PC game that screams "I want to be like Portal!")If Steam was never created, people would just buy their games off of one of the many other sources or just buy it at Best Buy like a normal person, and they would use Xfire, forums, and in-game game selection to play with friends.

I don't think Valve made as big of an impact as you think.
Counter-Strike is the most played multiplayer game in the world besides MMO's. 2nd to Starcraft in tournaments only. And iD would have never picked up the CS team to made it professional. They didnt pick up the TF team when they made the original TF for Quake 2.
Portal would have never been made or earned its status cause Valve would have never worked on it or sold it with the Orange Box along side Half Life 2 and episodes and TF2.

And most important no Half Life!
 

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Indigo_Dingo said:
Blizzard would have taken Valves place, and not been corrupted into an MMO and an alliance with Activision. RTS's and RPGs would see major innovation regularly.

With less of the hyper competitive and rather ill mannered people brought in by Counterstrike, PC gaming would be a much lower issue, meaning DRM would likely never become much of an issue. Products like Spore would have more effort put into them rather than relying on hype from overzealous PC elitists.

The PC elititsts would probably not have started up as there is no-one there to blow smoke up their asses and make them think their way is any better.

I think it would be a major improvement.
Agree
 

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MaxTheReaper said:
Daezd said:
MaxTheReaper said:
The same to me - I don't use Steam and I've never played a Valve game.
I know - I am a heathen.
BURN IT, BURN IT NOOOWWW.



It'd probably be a desolate wasteland where every customer has to fend off hordes of pricey DLC download, and costly patches while trying to cope with a lack of communication and updates! (FOR FREE?!)
Try to burn me and you will learn why the phrase "Fear The Reaper" is in widespread use.
Azeban said:
MaxTheReaper said:
The same to me - I don't use Steam and I've never played a Valve game.
I know - I am a heathen.
And I thought you were cool.

But seriously, not even Portal? That game was awesome.
Not even Portal.
I am massively uncool. Where do I turn in my overcoat and sunglasses?
The Valve head office. But seriously Valve is the one shining light in the gaming industry today that isn't indie.
 

Lord_Jaroh

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I would prefer a downloading service that offered games digitally at a reasonable price, instead of the ones that Valve offers.

Sorry, but their prices mean that I do not purchase from them, as well with no guarantee that I get a return from a crappy game...well that's just another reason to stay away.
 

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MaxTheReaper said:
The same to me - I don't use Steam and I've never played a Valve game.
I know - I am a heathen.
You remind me of one these guys at a lan I frequent who always brings his 19inch CRT and still uses windows 98. He closely monitors his system tray and processes because he doesn't want too much memory to be used. He might install directx next year.