What Would The Reaction To A Female Bond (007, that is) Be?

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MrFalconfly

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Only one question.

Why would it absolutely have to be a "genderswapped" 007?!?

Why not a completely new, female MI6 agent?

I mean that angle would iron out most of the complaints regarding "genderswapping" 007.
 

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Charli said:
Female lesbian bond!.

Do it. I'll watch it.
I can only wholeheartedly concur.

But seriously, a Bond movie with a female Bond would be a comedy. Even with a male protagonist I can feel my suspension of disbelief coming apart at the seams. With a female Bond, however hard you try, the movie just is not going to be something anyone would take seriously.
 

Lightknight

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inmunitas said:
We've already had a female Bond-esque video game series that did quite well, or are you specifically meaning altering the existing Bond franchise?
I think people are more taking issue to making James Bond into Jane Bond rather than just the "Bond-esque" style or even a spinoff within the same universe but using a female character as the main protagonist.

Bond as a character is designed specifically as a male fantasy; an obvious iconic male. So gender flipping him bastardizes the character and the entire spirit of Bond.

But making a movie from another character's perspective within the universe? That would be fine. However, that also wouldn't be a Bond movie. It may be set in the same universe but if it isn't Bond then how is that different from any other "spy" universe?

So you might as well make a new IP or dabble with any number of already existing female spy characters. Because this ISN'T breaking new grounds. People already find female spies in sexy leather to be watchable. No one is succeeding in making any statement in trying to encourage this other than giving credence to the idea that some feminists just want to take things away from men rather than gaining equality. Like when Sarkeesian complained about Dishonored 2 despite it having a positive female protagonist just because there was also an option to play as a male too. [https://archive.is/WChAA] That kind of intentional deprivation of an entire demographic just to take away from their enjoyment when both options are already present really diminishes the cause in this area and starts going towards superiority rather than equality which is just the other side of the coin which is sexism. It's deplorable bigotry under the guise of inclusivity in an particular market where inclusiveness is already a thing and will continue to be so as long as female spies are seen as sexy and agile in contrast to the male's strength and prowess.

I will also point out that the viewing demographic of action films is also not equivalent and varies greatly by age and gender. Young males are by far the majority viewership of violent action films. [http://web.calstatela.edu/faculty/sfischo/media3.html] Women and 26+ year old men prefer dramatic films over violence packed action flicks. So when you look at the demographic viewership of the highest grossing films you're going to see men making up 60% or more of the viewing audience whereas women make up the slight majority of non-violent movies like Despicable me but usually in the low 50% rather and gap as extreme as 60%. That's because males do eventually come around to enjoying and even preferring those movies whereas women (on average, of course) never come around to preferring action flicks more. This is also generally true regardless of the gender of the protagonist. For example, Salt and Tomb Raider were still disproportionately viewed by males and did perform well even if they didn't make as much as some people may have wanted (generally making a little less than 3x the budget each which I would call a resounding financial success).

However, you also have exceptions like the Hunger Games which was viewed more by women. The split was 46% male and 54% female. [http://www.mpaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/MPAA-Theatrical-Market-Statistics-2013_032514-v2.pdf] The thing is, you cannot get an action flick that is more marketed towards women than that. I mean, you can't beat the marketing of books kids grew up with and especially books that were made as something specifically designed to get the intention of that highly profitable tween female category in literature (the social networking it produces is a desirable target). Compare that with Despicable Me whose demographics were 47%/53% male/female. Not that big of a difference.

So when designing an action flick, your primary audience is going to be men. This is exactly the same as how women are the primary demographics of most dramas and romance films even though males prefer dramas as our favorite films at a higher rate than women (though perhaps because women are divided on romance films being their favorite).

So please understand, women are directly catered to in several genres of film. Demanding they be catered to in the one that is primarily catered towards men is not progressive anymore than demanding romance movies start catering to men (because that would be called porn or drama).
 

mrdude2010

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I personally wouldn't care. I've always thought of Bond/007 as code names rather than a single person, so I don't see why a female couldn't take up the reins.

There would probably be a lot of dipshit fanboy complaining, though. Like the idiotic Johnny Storm reaction taken up to 11.
 

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mrdude2010 said:
I personally wouldn't care. I've always thought of Bond/007 as code names rather than a single person, so I don't see why a female couldn't take up the reins.

There would probably be a lot of dipshit fanboy complaining, though. Like the idiotic Johnny Storm reaction taken up to 11.
007 embodies the male power fantasy. He has specific qualities and one of those are womanizer.

There are also female spy power fantasies too.

So no one benefits from the move and an iconic character is diminished. Johnny Storm being white wasn't a defining characteristic of him as a person. Bond being masculine in multiple ways is. It's practically who 007 is as a character and why Archer spoofed the hell out of that.
 

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silver wolf009 said:
First, foremost, and most importantly, it would basically cement the theory that in universe "James Bond" is a legacy character.

Screw whatever gender politics anyone might have, an expansion to the canon trumps all activism. Depending on when it's set, we might also find out that other characters are legacy too, what with what happened in Skyfall.
Skyfall is in a way a mess in regards to canon. I makes K and Q being legacy positions explicit instead of just inferred, but it also explicitly states that James Bond is James Bond born and raised, and unless each Bond was raised specifcally as James Bond with the intend of being an agent of MI6 that leads to a lot of confusion, especially as previous Bond eras have treated the theory as canon to the point where multiple producers and directors have stated they treat it as canon.

Though this still wouldn't make James Bond being a woman make much sense given how you'd think a new codename would be used or just make Moneypennny's position a field agent (the current one was one before taking the desk job after all)
 

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Lightknight said:
mrdude2010 said:
I personally wouldn't care. I've always thought of Bond/007 as code names rather than a single person, so I don't see why a female couldn't take up the reins.

There would probably be a lot of dipshit fanboy complaining, though. Like the idiotic Johnny Storm reaction taken up to 11.
007 embodies the male power fantasy. He has specific qualities and one of those are womanizer.

There are also female spy power fantasies too.

So no one benefits from the move and an iconic character is diminished. Johnny Storm being white wasn't a defining characteristic of him as a person. Bond being masculine in multiple ways is. It's practically who 007 is as a character and why Archer spoofed the hell out of that.
So there are no women out there who want to be spies and drink a lot and have lots of sex? That power fantasy is exclusively male and no one other than males could possibly benefit from it or enjoy it?
I'm not buying that changing a character's gender diminishes them. It could be an interesting take on "masculinity" to have those same traits embodied by an atypical physical representation, sort of like Pam's role in Archer. That's my point: 007 as a character can be exactly the same, just with a difference face.