What's bad with camping ?
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John1307 said:
I am the sort of player that would rather survive the round than win it. I play TF2 sitting around corners invisible waiting for the perfect opportunity to take someone down and vanish before their team-mates know what happened. While everyone else is running around like startled chickens, I'm playing a slow paced stealth game.Littlee300 said:
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I agree with these guys.VanQQisH said:
Camping is a problem because, in real life sniping is like that hard-ass 'Ghillies in the Mist' mission where you play as Cap. Price in CoD4. You take ONE SHOT and then you RUN THE FUCK AWAY.
Why? Because everybody knows where you are now, and they want you DEAD!
Therefore, campers who are successful are in a position that gives them an unfair advantage because of poor level design. Sure, you can say its strategic, but I can say its annoying as fuck.
Its stupid for people to demand realism from their video games, and then complain about how they can't do something that's not realistically possible. If you ask any real life military tactician, you will find that none of them will say that staying in one place for an extended period of time is a good idea. You need to be mobile, or the enemy will outmaneuver you. However, camping doesn't have that problem, so saying its realistic is like saying gravity only works when you're jumping.
Also, if there was a game where everybody camped, it would be the most boring game of all time! Nothing would ever happen because everybody's waiting for that "noob" to come around the corner.
Lastly, and this may not be fair to the rest of you not-quite-so-douchey-campers, but you will always, ALWAYS, be lumped together with spawn-camping fucktards and the other douche-berries that take advantage of glitches in the game that make them near-invincible.
As The Heavy from TF2 would no doubt put it, "CAMPER IS WEAK LITTLE COWARD BABY!!!"
Why? Because everybody knows where you are now, and they want you DEAD!
Therefore, campers who are successful are in a position that gives them an unfair advantage because of poor level design. Sure, you can say its strategic, but I can say its annoying as fuck.
Its stupid for people to demand realism from their video games, and then complain about how they can't do something that's not realistically possible. If you ask any real life military tactician, you will find that none of them will say that staying in one place for an extended period of time is a good idea. You need to be mobile, or the enemy will outmaneuver you. However, camping doesn't have that problem, so saying its realistic is like saying gravity only works when you're jumping.
Also, if there was a game where everybody camped, it would be the most boring game of all time! Nothing would ever happen because everybody's waiting for that "noob" to come around the corner.
Lastly, and this may not be fair to the rest of you not-quite-so-douchey-campers, but you will always, ALWAYS, be lumped together with spawn-camping fucktards and the other douche-berries that take advantage of glitches in the game that make them near-invincible.
As The Heavy from TF2 would no doubt put it, "CAMPER IS WEAK LITTLE COWARD BABY!!!"
I'm all for realistic game play but when you can't get to them because 4 or 5 people are camping watching all cornors of the map... no just no. I'm not a big fan of camping because I play mostly objective based games so people farm kills and disreguard the game. In that case when I hear "OUR CAMPFIRE IS ONLINE!" they hear "Sarge034 has gone offline". If your gonna camp do it in TDM or in a deffensive objective game.
Edit- Cornor campers can die in a fire. NO reason to do that shit.
Edit- Cornor campers can die in a fire. NO reason to do that shit.
Oh, and another thing. Campers do not contribute much if you're supposed to capture an objective.
"But we kill the guys that are attacking the objective you know!!" you say. In games like Bad Company 2, where the maps are larger and a lot more challenging then the regular shooters, you have to be one hell of an effective sniper to get kills at all.
And from what I've seen, the vast majority of snipers suck ass. Not once have I, who charge objectives and uses assault rifles and just plain old skill, had lesser kills than the 'best' snipers in the match.
If you play regular Team Death match, camp all you want. If you want your team to lose in a team-oriented objective-based game, camp all you want.
"But we kill the guys that are attacking the objective you know!!" you say. In games like Bad Company 2, where the maps are larger and a lot more challenging then the regular shooters, you have to be one hell of an effective sniper to get kills at all.
And from what I've seen, the vast majority of snipers suck ass. Not once have I, who charge objectives and uses assault rifles and just plain old skill, had lesser kills than the 'best' snipers in the match.
If you play regular Team Death match, camp all you want. If you want your team to lose in a team-oriented objective-based game, camp all you want.
Camping is awesome. Going out in the woods, picking out a spot, pitching a tent, gathering firewood. There's nothing like cooking meat on an open pit and tossing back a few brews that brings people together. Plus that long drunken hike in the woods after the fire burns down. There's not a damn thing wrong with camping.
Absolutely nothing.
Warfare is essentially a mashup of mobility and firepower. In an FPS you generate mobility by (funnily enough) moving, approaching from the flanks or the rear. You generate effective firepower by taking a position from which you can cover all or most angles of approach, staying still and crouching to increase your accuracy. Camping is merely an extreme version of the latter, with all the inherent risks.
Camping only becomes a problem when the game mechanics and/or the level design allow it to be so. For example, filling a level with choke-points failing to provide alternate modes of approach, or having unbalanced weapons which favour camping and aren?t easily countered (yes AWP, that means you!) In either case, that?s the fault of the game/level designer, not the player.
I think Modern Warfare handles it very well. The levels are generally balanced. When you fire, your position shows up on the radar, telling the enemy team exactly where you are. You can always fit a silencer but that compromises your firepower and sacrifices a potentially more useful attachment in the process.
Warfare is essentially a mashup of mobility and firepower. In an FPS you generate mobility by (funnily enough) moving, approaching from the flanks or the rear. You generate effective firepower by taking a position from which you can cover all or most angles of approach, staying still and crouching to increase your accuracy. Camping is merely an extreme version of the latter, with all the inherent risks.
Camping only becomes a problem when the game mechanics and/or the level design allow it to be so. For example, filling a level with choke-points failing to provide alternate modes of approach, or having unbalanced weapons which favour camping and aren?t easily countered (yes AWP, that means you!) In either case, that?s the fault of the game/level designer, not the player.
I think Modern Warfare handles it very well. The levels are generally balanced. When you fire, your position shows up on the radar, telling the enemy team exactly where you are. You can always fit a silencer but that compromises your firepower and sacrifices a potentially more useful attachment in the process.
Camping in general is fine in my opinion, mainly because my tactics involve trapping and ambushes guerilla style. However, I know to move after each kill, those killcams make you great grenade bait. I also don't have a problem with camping snipers, even if they kill me several times in a row. According to the internet your supposed to treat a bolt action sniper rifle like a pump action shotgun. It's all part of the game to figure out a way to kill the camper, the people who complain are the ones who still charge out into a killzone despite dying there 6 times previously.
The problem with FPS camping is that it's really boring.
And the risk/reward balance is about the same as in movement, since you're essentially relying on a few people walking up to you, putting an rifle barrel in their own mouths, and maybe even pulling the trigger for you, whereas a more mobile playstyle allows you to encounter more potential targets, but increases the odds that they'll shoot back.
If you're stuck on the good old K/D ratio as a measure of skill, it tends to come out about the same in both cases.
And the risk/reward balance is about the same as in movement, since you're essentially relying on a few people walking up to you, putting an rifle barrel in their own mouths, and maybe even pulling the trigger for you, whereas a more mobile playstyle allows you to encounter more potential targets, but increases the odds that they'll shoot back.
If you're stuck on the good old K/D ratio as a measure of skill, it tends to come out about the same in both cases.
Campers sit there and kill you with one shot, ideally without the target ever knowing what hit him. And you can do very little about it.
Well, you can jump from cover to cover and throw grenades in every possible snipernest.
In some games, such locations are scattered on the map in a "realistic" way, meaning that its possible to find several good sniper spots.
Realism can get in the way of fun. Every weapon used in the military can kill with one shot. You could drop dead without knowing what hit you. But that's no Fun, and that is way characters in "realistic" video games can still take a bullet to the leg and then continue without even the slightest limb.
Snipers get around this deliberate "unrealism". They kill you in one shot and there is very little you can do about it.
Since searching for snipers the whole game while moving through territory that could potentially be seen by snipers is not all that much Fun and getting killed with one shot isn't much Fun either, Developers will try to limit the possibilities for snipers.
Well, you can jump from cover to cover and throw grenades in every possible snipernest.
In some games, such locations are scattered on the map in a "realistic" way, meaning that its possible to find several good sniper spots.
Realism can get in the way of fun. Every weapon used in the military can kill with one shot. You could drop dead without knowing what hit you. But that's no Fun, and that is way characters in "realistic" video games can still take a bullet to the leg and then continue without even the slightest limb.
Snipers get around this deliberate "unrealism". They kill you in one shot and there is very little you can do about it.
Since searching for snipers the whole game while moving through territory that could potentially be seen by snipers is not all that much Fun and getting killed with one shot isn't much Fun either, Developers will try to limit the possibilities for snipers.
Theres nothing wrong with camping,i see it as legitimate strategy
but i dont see why people complain:
How hard can it be to kill them?
you know where they are(if you know that map)
you know what they are doing
and...they're not moving -.-
so when i see players accusing anyone of camping just ignore them,and watch them go in a single line to the slugfest
but i dont see why people complain:
How hard can it be to kill them?
you know where they are(if you know that map)
you know what they are doing
and...they're not moving -.-
so when i see players accusing anyone of camping just ignore them,and watch them go in a single line to the slugfest
My problem isn't with camping as an act so much as the campers themselves. Look, if you camp in the exact same spot an entire match, I'm going to figure it out and shoot you from behind or jump around the corner with my shotgun pointed at your face. That's the only logical response to camping. Accusing me of using "hax" because I understand pattern recognition gets really irritating.
Also...
Also...
... this. I can't for the life of me figure out why my teammates would think it's useful to camp at our spawn point in an escort mission when we're the ones escorting. There is one place in the entire map where nobody needs to be; least of all our opponents. That place is our spawn point. Stop being such total brainless noobs and do something!John1307 said:
Very few multiplayer games actually have large enough maps to accommodate snipers properly. For that a map would need to be about the size of a large town and have alot of cover.Karma168 said:
The tactic you mention in your second paragraph is pretty much what I do. I hide in a position where I have an immense tactical advantage over my enemy because I intend to be the one who is still breathing after we cross swords (or guns). If they were more cautious and checked around that corners as they advanced, they would probably kill me most of the time, but They don't so I kill them instead.
I agree with you completely there.iDoom46 said:
I find players running around like headless chickens extremely annoying because they are nearly impossible to hit. They are a major part of the reason I camp in the first place.
That would probably be completely correct if everyone did camp, the thing is that most people do not and are not likely to start.
If one team has managed to start spawn camping the defensive campers on the other team have failed. It is their job to prevent that.
He just got stabbed by the Spy camping around the corner waiting for him to stay still.
The problem arises because any good multiplayer game should be about the objective, not just mindless killing. You may need to kill to complete the objective, but sitting in one place killing people who pass by doesn't encourage teamwork, which is what all online games should do.
Here in the UK we have no bares, so we don't have to put up with the picnic pinching gits. I guess we are lucky in that respect, though i do admit i would put up with the bastards if it meant i got to camp somewhere as totally awesome as the Rocky Mountains or such like.King of the Sandbox said:
No what we have here in the UK is something far more insidious...God damn
mother fucking
I swear to God that they have some sort of irrational hatred of me and me alone...no one else gets eaten alive. Of an evening i end up having to smoke like a Beagle just to keep them away.
On Topic
Sniping and camping get confused a lot sometimes. I like to Snipe in games of TDM, FFA, etc.. as the whole point of that type of game is to kill the enemy team and not get shot in the ass your self. Sometimes i even take a sniper class into a game of CTF or Domination. Why?...because there's a hell of a difference between what i do an camping. I call targets for my team mates, i take a few shots and then move to a different location to avoid being detected, i provide cover while they advance on the objective, in short i try to be a team player.
Campers don't do any of that.