Whats the deal with the Avatar movie?

[FeralDynasty]

You completely forgot that they attached a knife to the foot of the mech robots, i mean the idea is great with soldiers in combat situations but if you have the technology to make living breathing humanoids the least you can do is put a spring loaded wrist knife in your mecha, come on Altair does it

 

[Browbeat]

I like to think that the parent corporation had taken the news of their mining interests being threatened poorly, and reacted with a vicious virus-bombing campaign that wiped out 75% of all foliage and most of the fauna on the planet's surface. The remaining Na'Vi, disoriented and bitter, fell into a bloodlust and retreated while the overpowering human ground assault mopped up. In a doomsday pact, the Na'Vi offered their essence to the last roots of the planet's 'Mother' spirit, transforming their bodies into ageless guardians, while the humans stripmined the world, found some ruins, were about to crack into it, but soon after left most mining properties in pursuit of other financial bounties. A sizable private military contractor was assigned with peacekeeping of the world, but it soon fell into disarray, economic depression, and utter pandemonium.

Then, among the arid wastes and scraps of life clinging to hope, the legend of the Vault arose...

And so, the Siren, the Soldier, the Hunter, and Brick ventured back to Pandora, two hundred years past, to try their luck with the true source of power for the once-proud Na'Vi and the now re-branded Jakobs Corporation - with Atlas interests...

Or is that just me?

 

[xXAsherahXx]

Personally I hated Avatar. I predicted pretty much everything. It is a movie, so there is a 75% chance that it will have a good ending. Meaning, Jake wins and so do the Na'vi. Also, there is humans, and the trend of movies lately is basically...Humans bad, everything else good. Another thing, Dances With Wolves already came out, Jamie didn't beat it to the punch. Yes I know this sounds cliche, but it is very very true. Indians (Na'vi are all like "oh noez" and then the US (whoever the hell the humans are) is all like "get out da way *****". In the end the indians win (temporarily) and the humans go home.

Also, the movie pulled a star wars VI. when the hell did one defeat mean you lose (thank you for pointing that out oh wonderous creator of this topic.)

 

[wierdman51]

I thought it was a decent movie, but there were a lot of plot holes. Some the size of Mars, some the size of the last drop of soda in the can that just won't come out. Like why the hell is Unobtanium so damn valuable?

an to claridy that, who thought of the name unobtanium? we get the joke! they dont ge thte metal, Unobtain-ium.

 

[atombeast707]

I don't like it because it's popular.

that's it? Y'know some things are popular for a good reason, like, being good.

or because will smith is in it.

OT: although i didnt think it was the greatest movie ever, most of your complaints make it seem like you didnt like it not because your complaints are plot holes, but because you disagree with what the movie was trying to say. that is just my 2 cents, and for what its worth i did really enjoy the movie, and like most other people here i was mostly interested in the visuals.

 

[Sougo]

1) Why is it called Avatar? On the planet of Pandora, occupied by humanoid species called the Na'vi, whose home is now under threat by humans. Seems like a more fitting name would've been "Humans vs. Thundercats" (as all the Na'vi look like distant cousins of Panthera of the thundercats).

Do you know what an Avatar is? Essentially, it's a body which is an embodiment of a different being. The crux of the movie is the Na'vi body of Jake Sully. That body is his Avatar. Actually, I might be mis-remembering, but don't they refer to the Na'vi bodies as Avatars several times?

2) In the first 15 mins it becomes pretty obvious who the good and the bad humans are, seeing as all the Na'vi are good ... you can practically predict what happens next in the movie.

Well yeah, but that's not exactly uncommon in movies, even good ones.

3) Am I the only one who thinks the the colonel (yes, the big bad guy) was in the right?

You're...taking the Pro-Genocide position?

4) The movie creates a distinct impression that the humans and Thundercats are somewhat evenly matched ... that is until the fighting actually begins ... and the humans PWN the thundercats. This really got me thinking that if the humans were all that militarily superior to the Thundercats anyway, why in the world did the colonel employ Jake Sully to find weaknesses in the tribe? You don't need weaknesses to bomb em...

Well, militarilly, America is more powerful then Iraqi insurgents. and we all know that that superiority has led to no losses on the American side, and that just bombing the native population completely ended the war...

5) The movie has Sigourney Weaver in it ... as a scientist! I can't believe I watched a 2.5 hour movie with Sigourney Weaver in it and there wasn't a single scene of her machine-gunning someone or hammering someone with Mecha-armor (and this movie had guns and Mecha-armor too). To make matters worse, she dies .... and she doesn't even come back, as a thundercat or as a cyborg. (You'd think that after 4 Alien movies this was a given...)

Personally, I thought it was interesting to see her, not as a frontline soldier. I think she did a good job.

6) The colonel offers Jake Sully legs.... LEGS dammit. Who doesn't want legs!!! I can't help but feel that between LEGS and joining team thundercats .... LEGS was the right choice.

Now to be fair, if we are just talking personal gain, the choice was between legs, and bigger, faster, stronger legs to go along with a hot Na'vi chick.

7) "The Humans were sent back to their dying world..." Really? So Jake Sully chooses to live on a lush planet teaming with life, while condemning his fellow humans to die off with their world... I dunno about you but I think this looks as bad as genocide to me...

It wasn't a dead world, and it wasn't the entire race. The point was that the humans would have to try to fix what they have, be responsible for their actions, and if they come back, they would have to do so without the whole murdering indigenous population thing.

8) The humans lost 1 battle and its all over ?!?!? Why wasn't the colonel succeeded by a 2nd in command or something? Where are the nukes, dammit?

It was a pretty big battle, and the Humans pretty much had 1 outpost. And I'm sure he was succeeded by someone new. It just wasn't particularly relevant to the plot, especially since the humans were going home. And why the hell would they nuke? Would they cobble one together from the local rocks, and nuke them...for fun? They're a company, there's no profit to be made in that, not to mention that the PR backlash back on earth would be pretty horrendous.

In re-response:
1) Its not that I don't know what the Avatar is (lol, I DID see the movie after all). What I'm saying that it was obvious this was gonna be a visual stunner type movie with not much of a story-line, so why not give it a straightforward title, like what was done with Alien vs Predator. AvP had no real story to boast off so it advertized the movie simply for what it was. Honestly, going by the title (and a few trailers) when I saw the movie I thought it was gonna be an army of avators against the Na'vi (no humans in their own bodies). Instead we only see 3 avatars (and all Signourney Weavers avatar does is collapse after disconnection).

7) I was quoting from the movie narration when I said: "The humans were sent back to their dying world."

Also I have deliberately avoided talking about that 'hot navi chick' cuz frankly I find that kinda thing rather disgusting.

Several ppl are mentioning sequals ... we all know that sequals only go downhill from the original. Unless ofcourse the sequel involves humans carpet bombing the daylights out of the thundercats. What? I'm not being pro-genocidal .... dammit the Na'vi are fictional ... and I've always hated the thundercats.

Lastly, I have always judged a movie by how good the villain is. In this case the villain (the colonel was awesome!!). Yet somehow this is the first time I have liked the villain a lot but not the movie so much as a whole. Curse you James Cameron, messing with my head!

 

[The_Eskimo]

I thought it was a decent movie, but there were a lot of plot holes. Some the size of Mars, some the size of the last drop of soda in the can that just won't come out. Like why the hell is Unobtanium so damn valuable?

because it is unobtaniable.lol!

 

[Super Toast]

I thought it was a decent movie, but there were a lot of plot holes. Some the size of Mars, some the size of the last drop of soda in the can that just won't come out. Like why the hell is Unobtanium so damn valuable?

I'm pretty sure it's used for fuel, as in one kg can take a huge spaceship massive distances. It'd be nice if the explanation was in the movie and not the expanded universe though.

 

[Sporky111]

From your answers, I think I can comfortably say that if you were a character in this movie you would be the bad guy. Just saying.

1) Why is it called Avatar? Because the Na'vi clones that the humans control are called "avatars".
2) In the first 15 mins it becomes pretty obvious who the good and the bad humans are, seeing as all the Na'vi are good ... you can practically predict what happens next in the movie. Not all movies rely on plot twits and such. Establishing the antagonist and protagonist early on can help the audience relate.
3) Am I the only one who thinks the the colonel (yes, the big bad guy) was in the right? I'd actually like you to elaborate on this. Do you think exploiting a technologically inferior for monetary gain is a good thing?
4) Why did the colonel employ Jake Sully to find weaknesses in the tribe? You don't need weaknesses to bomb em... The tree is massive, first of all. He needed to know that this tree that was hundreds of meters thick wasn't solid all the way through. And second, I suspect he just wanted to keep a bit of control over Jake.
5) Sigourney Weaver isn't an action star [paraphrased] Maybe she wanted this. The last thing an actor/actress wants is to be typecast.
6) The colonel offers Jake Sully legs.... LEGS dammit. Who doesn't want legs!!! I can't help but feel that between LEGS and joining team thundercats .... LEGS was the right choice. Part of the plot was making sacrifice for things more important than individual gain. Besides, when he was a Na'vi he did have legs.
7) "The Humans were sent back to their dying world..." Really? So Jake Sully chooses to live on a lush planet teaming with life, while condemning his fellow humans to die off with their world... I dunno about you but I think this looks as bad as genocide to me... It's not genocide if they inflicted it upon themselves. Humans destroyed Earth, then moved on with the intent to destroy Pandora. All Jake did was adopt Pandora as his new home and defend it from the human invaders.
8) The humans lost 1 battle and its all over ?!?!? Why wasn't the colonel succeeded by a 2nd in command or something? Where are the nukes, dammit? The whole reason humans are there is for unobtanium. If it gets nuked away, everyone gets in big trouble. And that one battle involved the vast majority of human resources. After that, they finished up easily. It would have taken many years for reinforcements arrived.

It might not be an award winning plot, but just because you didn't understand it all or catch the underlying theme doesn't mean it's full of plot holes (I'm not saying there aren't any, because there are). If you don't like it, fine. At least you put in the effort to ask about it rather than just say "failz, itz teh Furn Gully with robotz" (FYI, Avatar was written 40 years ago, long before Fern Gully)

 

[natster43]

I have heard its just a ripoff of Dances With Wolves, Pocahontas, and other movies. Also I like to believe after the movie, the army firebombs the planet, and 100 or so years later, Borderlands takes place.

 

[The Bum]

THANK YOU! i mean why is the white guy the bad guy? i say it's a preacy tree hugger movie.

But the CGI was awsome.

By the way thats the way of nature the weaker [and or tecnolicaly unadvanced] are killed by the stronger [more advanced speices] SO GO CRY YA TREE HUGGER

 

[DRTJR]

I am holding out hope it's a parody of Michal bay if not they are one in the same

 

[Nazulu]

Yeah it was pretty average. I liked it for the action and because it sent a good message out there, again. That's how I think everyone should look at it.

A lot of the so called plot holes you pointed out are not really bad enough to ruin the movie, usually when I see a movie that doesn't completely explain everything I just fill it in myself because apparently I can do that.

Didn't think much of the CGI either, nothing blew me away, probably because I've seen it all done before as well. When I first saw the Na'vi, they reminded me of the Dranei from WOW and their wonderful terrain, it seems pretty similar to me.

 

[Ungenericteen]

I thought the colonel was in the right, he obvously just wanted to get his men paid.

 

[Waaghpowa]

The precious ore is called "Unobtainium", anyone else think that name is incredibly lame?

Anyway, as far as CGI movies go, yes, Avatar is very good looking, but as many people stated before, the story is very unoriginal. Being a person who prefers substance over flash, I found the movie overrated and uninteresting. Keep in mind that if you DID like the movie, don't take my opinion as an insult, be objective.

 

[Phantomess]

1) I believe it's called Avatar because the force-grown bodies of the Na'vi are referred to as Avatars. The whole definition of the word Avatar is a representation of something else. Wikipedia gave me this basic definition: In Hinduism, Avatar or Avatâra (Devanagari अवतार, Sanskrit for "descent" [viz., from heaven to earth]) refers to a deliberate descent of a deity from heaven to earth, and is mostly translated into English as "incarnation", but more accurately as "appearance" or "manifestation".

2) Yes, we know this. Give me an example of a recent action flick where this HASN'T happened (and yes, I'm including Sherlock Holmes in this).

3) No. In all fairness, he committed ecological terrorism. Even on Earth today, this would have been completely unacceptable and he would have faced courts over it. Not only that, he was prepared to wipe out a race of sentient creatures. No. He was not RIGHT.

4) Sully was employed in order to find a diplomatic way of removing the Na'vi from the Mother Tree at the behest of Grace and the other researchers. Bombing them was a last resort. The two species were evenly matched only because the humans had more firepower and the Na'vi knew the terrain better. Standard tactics would have told you that.

5) I can't disagree with this one... seeing Weaver in the colonel's mechasuit (especially in her Avatar) would have been epic...

6) By the time the fight came, I don't know if you noticed but Jake's legs and muscles had atrophied. Badly. So what use are legs if you aren't strong enough to use them? It was his spine that was damaged. In the avatar body, everything worked and all the muscles were strong from regular use. Stands to reason he'd want to keep it.

7) Sully sent back the marines, not the researchers. They were only there for the Unobtainium, not to live. The atmosphere would not have supported human life, remember?

8) The marines lost fire-power, airships, their commander and a great number of their people, not to mention it would take five years to get reinforcements. After the ground assault and the aerial battle in the mountains, they lost too many resources to mount a successful conter-offensive.

But I agree, it wasn't particularly original or stood out for narrative inventiveness in any way. But I wouldn't pick holes in the plot if there were possible reasons behind them.

 

[Waaghpowa]

Everyone who hates on Avatar is trying to be preteneous and COOLIO.

Anyone claiming that Avatar was the greatest movie ever obviously hasn't seen many movies, needs to be educated and see beyond the shiny things.

 

[escapistraptor]

Everyone who hates on Avatar is trying to be preteneous and COOLIO.

False. Most people that hate Avatar hate it because it had a terrible script and a boring, overplayed, overforced message. Not everyone can be satisfied by graphics alone.

I didn't like it for the reasons above either. The only enjoyment I got was watching the Colonel just be a bad-ass motha fucka.

I was in a movie store the other day and I overheard a woman say "Avatar is just Pokemon with blue people and special effects." Weird interpretation of the movie, but hilarious comment.

 

[Z(ombie)fan]

Avatar 2.

oh god my mom was going to drag me to that...


oh god no...

cameron... you douche...

I am holding out hope it's a parody of Michal bay if not they are one in the same

haha

this reminds me...

shittiness

uwe boll ---

michael bay -----------------


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acceptance

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