What's the obsession with expensive phones?

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Well, I have a Google Pixel 2 XL which is a pretty expensive phone. I got it mostly because I wanted the high quality camera and I like Google's approach in keeping Android OS relatively lean and plain. I also just really liked the design of the phone and a a few of the other features like the squeeze for Google assistant.

Do I need a flagship phone? No, but I liked it and I'm actually paying less for it per month than my old shitty LG G5 thanks to a New Years sale.
 

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Chewster said:
https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-battery-slow-down/

Literally just google Apple batteries. They purposefully slowed down their old phone batteries so customers would have to buy new phones. and you bet your ass they're still doing it.
Literally just re-read my original response to the OP. I don't own an Apple phone and I don't think I've ever owned a single Apple product in my whole life. I once used an iPod for a bit but it was my ex-girlfriend's.

In general I dislike Apple because a lot of their stuff is style over substance but it obviously works for some people.
 

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Let me offer a different perspective: Most people are terrible at calculating the total cost of monthly payments. Most people who get flashy flagship phones also get them (somewhat) discounted when they sign up for a multi year service plan with a service provider. Thus they don't see the actual $800+ price tag, what they see is a deceptively agreeable extra $15-20 extra on top of their $30-50 service plan. Add to that that many service providers also provide some decent replacement deals in case your phone gets damaged or destroyed and it probably seems like a pretty good deal to get a cool phone.

I know I fell for it last time I had to change my phone. It is not that many people need a new super cool phone, it is that service providers are really good at selling them to people as "a bonus" to their service plan. They are the bling that the phone companies use to lure people into expensive plans.
 

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What's the deal with expensive... anything? Maybe it's a poor people thing, or maybe it's because I'm a literal socialist, but I value expediency over luxury. I had a CRT television up to, like, 2012. I drove a car from the mid 90s until last year, when it broke down on me. I almost exclusively drink tap water. I'm a few bottles of Pabst Blue Ribbon short of being a hipster. Call it utilitarianism but status symbols don't mean much to me.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
I seriously don't get why everyone "needs" an expensive phone these days.
For the same reason people frequently buy an Audi or Mercedes when a much cheaper Ford or Renault would do. It's about the image and the bragging rights.

That said, I have an "expensive" phone; albeit a premium phone on its release, but not by the time I got it 18 months later during a sale, by which time it was more a mid-price phone.
 

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Agema said:
For the same reason people frequently buy an Audi or Mercedes when a much cheaper Ford or Renault would do. It's about the image and the bragging rights.
Well... and those cars are nicer. I mean, I drive quite an old car, and cars don't do much for me, but if I was on the road a lot I'd want a car that was comfortable and nice to drive. And Audis have a generally good rep for reliability, which Renaults do not. Saying that, I loved my Ford Mondeo - heated front windscreen!

I got a lift in a Merc once. The centre console was like that of a spaceship, if spaceships were a thing (proper ones, from the future).
 

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Agema said:
For the same reason people frequently buy an Audi or Mercedes when a much cheaper Ford or Renault would do. It's about the image and the bragging rights.
Well... and those cars are nicer. I mean, I drive quite an old car, and cars don't do much for me, but if I was on the road a lot I'd want a car that was comfortable and nice to drive. And Audis have a generally good rep for reliability, which Renaults do not. Saying that, I loved my Ford Mondeo - heated front windscreen!

I got a lift in a Merc once. The centre console was like that of a spaceship, if spaceships were a thing (proper ones, from the future).
Ehhh ... I hate cars in general. They feel sterile. Motorbikes on the otherhand.... and the nice thing about motorbikes is that all motorbikes have their character that you can appreciate regardless of price point.

Like I still think the best all-rounder bike is the reasonably priced Moto Guzzi V7 Stone.

It takes everything great about motorcycling, refines it slightly, and just gives you that.



Clean, naked design. Tweaked centre of gravity, comfortable riding position, tweaked wheel circumference of the new V7s from the old V7 Stones of the pre-millenia which give it a slightly smaller turning cycle, but at improved handling on wet conditions. Brand new only set you back $10K US, but good secondhand from the 2011/12 models you can probably pick one about 5/6K.

Plus it's shaft drive, which everyone can (should) appreciate.

And it's ruggedly gorgeous. All of that instrumentation crap in cars ... see on a motorcycle you can appreciate a machine with clean instrumentation, ala above.

It's about elegance, not total, fabricated sophistication.

Nothing should remove you from becoming one with the machine. Where every shift of bodyweight, every tightening muscle, alters performance and creates poetry in motion. It's not about the numbers of buttons you can press and all of that feature rich garbage that will simply remove you from the experience of riding.

Don't you just want to pet it? See, that's a work of art in my opinion. Then again there's so much more to appreciate in the performance of a motorcycle. You're not just sitting in a box with wheels. Everything has to be just so ... just the art of creating a working machine that can handle counter-steering fluidly and create a decent centre of gravity while riding can make or break its handling.

Simply put, with a motorcycle loading it up with extras and fairing it doesn't need (and make it more expensive) may actually make something that is blissful to ride into a hack. There's a reason why to the untrained eyeit looks kind of ugly, but to a true artist of the craft they know beauty has layers.

It's why motorcyclists can look at something ruggedly industrial and naked like a V7 Stone and just appreciate it, fall in love with it ... and think it's gorgeous ... where as car drivers cannot get the appeal.

And once again, all at a pretty reasonable price point. That being said a younger (more ignorant) me would have been drawn to more high performance sports bikes. But as I was saying, every motorbike has its character you can appreciate... even if it's quirky and disagrees with you.

And if you just flat out want something that is bulletproof and will just never die... you can't go wrong with your basement, bargain Diversion XJ series. The 600s in particular. Like, those are utterly uncompromising in their persistence. Bit slow but light, they're tough old birds that will always start unless the battery is dead or the fuel tank empty.

Seriously, I rode one through a sandstorm and one time a flood ... air filter was utterly fucked, you hand drain the carbie with a simple screwdriver, and you can re-tune them with a rock ... and it still started, no problems.

And that's beautiful, too. You can appreciate it. I miss my old XJ ...

Never once got that feeling with a car. Particularly new cars. I can fixthem assuming not too complicated, but I can't appreciate them. Even supposedly all the 'hotness' of new models of high-range cars. You pop open the bonnet and you feel like you're looking at a machine where people could cut corners in utility and design, and have chosen to do so.

Nothing is as precise, nor has the same built in margins for error, northe same degree of human ergonomics and physics combined that a motorcycle has to have.

A lawyer friend of mine flashed out on a Benz coupe and threw about about 65K+ at it ... within 9 months she's getting that computer chip coded engine warning message. I wanted to have a look at it, and she indulged my interest, but I couldn't see any problems ... I'm stumped.

Well apparently that's just normal.

And it's all these little niggling things in cars where nothing is as good as it should be, no matter the price tag. People keep telling me that partly automated factories and computer monitored machines will make them better, but frankly I think it's garbage. The perfect machine is one that marries precision to the imprecise. Brings order to chaos ... you can't code around imprecision.

Motorcycles need to be made with wider margins of error in mind. To be safe on a motorcycleyou sometimes need to act counter-intuitively. Sometimes you need to actually turn left to be able to make a swift right turn to avoid a hazard... and that is as much art and organic realization and muscle memory as it is a mere explanation of physics.

You'll never have a driverless motorcycle outperform a human when taking thechaos of the universe into question. And that idea never escapes me when Ilook at these trendy, new, ultra expensive cars that everybody tells me are the future.

So I personally don't get people's fascination with expensive, new cars. Or indeed expensive bikes. There's beauty with a $1000 winter-hack XJ ... and you'll see it, too, when you actually get to know them. That relatively cheap V7 Stone is a good example of that, as well.
 

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That is a nice bike, and I can totally see the appeal of having one again (I haven't ridden in years, my last bike was a Triumph TT600 quite some time ago), but I usually only travel for need rather than the pleasure of the journey. And the effort of getting the bike out of the garage (unchaining it too), messing about with the helmet (I wear glasses so slightly annoying), closing the garage, etc. compared to just getting in the car and going puts me off. Also, the dog is with me on most journeys.
 

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That is a nice bike, and I can totally see the appeal of having one again (I haven't ridden in years, my last bike was a Triumph TT600 quite some time ago), but I usually only travel for need rather than the pleasure of the journey. And the effort of getting the bike out of the garage (unchaining it too), messing about with the helmet (I wear glasses so slightly annoying), closing the garage, etc. compared to just getting in the car and going puts me off. Also, the dog is with me on most journeys.
Daytona, right? Fairly speedy midweight... did you ever manage to get it to a track? When I was younger if a bike couldn't do 270kph+ and 100kph in 3.5 seconds, I was disinterested.... but after getting older (and a bad accident) has tempered what I find myself wanting to ride. Air cooled v-twin suits me fine.

That being said, yeah. Life catches up with you. You might want to think differently getting a high end car when your dog is constantly with you. Well... depends on the breed, I suppose. Anything kelpie sized and bigger might be a problem....
 

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That being said, yeah. Life catches up with you. You might want to think differently getting a high end car when your dog is constantly with you. Well... depends on the breed, I suppose. Anything kelpie sized and bigger might be a problem....
Oh, I wouldn't have a high-end car - I drive an old Hyundai Tucson. My dog is more often than not a stinking (likes going in the sea) drooly mess, and a little bigger than a Kelpie (according to Wiki, I've never seen one in person).
 

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Baffle2 said:
Well... and those cars are nicer.
Yes. It depends, I guess, on the buyer. The more affluent may as well take the Merc or BMW because why the hell not? The expense is neither here nor there to them.

For plenty of people I see around town, the Merc or the BMW is an image purchase. So they can accelerate recklessly with a great deal of noise in city streets, whilst wearing shades even in dull weather clearly believing that makes them the most fucking amazing guys on the planet (they may learn later that most people are probably actually thinking "what a wanker"; although I guess they only need to impress a few preferably female under-25s to count it as a win).
 

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Agema said:
For the same reason people frequently buy an Audi or Mercedes when a much cheaper Ford or Renault would do. It's about the image and the bragging rights.
As someone who is currently driving in an audi, has driven in a class A & Series 1 (yay company cars) and sometimes drives in cheaper rented fords or alike (during holidays abroad), I can assure you the driving experience is not the same at all. Sure the cheaper cars "would do", but the difference is much bigger than between let's say a Huawei P10 and Samsung galaxy S9. Although i'll admit that i'm not sure if i'd be willing to spend the money needed for an Audi/BMW/Mercedes if I suddenly ended up with a job without a company car.
 

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Oh, I wouldn't have a high-end car - I drive an old Hyundai Tucson. My dog is more often than not a stinking (likes going in the sea) drooly mess, and a little bigger than a Kelpie (according to Wiki, I've never seen one in person).
Oh, sorry. I only reference Kelpie because that's pretty much what is considered a small-medium sized dog here. Basically at the start of the 'medium' sized category.

That being said, they sound like a bundle of fun. A loving pet is better than a fancy car, anyways. And I like reasonable sized dogs ... not too large though. One of the loveliest dogs I've ever known was an Irish Wolfhound. At that point it's like having something the size of a foundation Shetland, only that it shows its affection by jumping on you.
 

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I've never paid for a phone. I take the best available option included in my contract without additional fees. Never lost, broken, or otherwise encountered a need to replace it before the new contract arrives.

Never really been in tune with the need to stay on the cutting edge on handheld technology.
 

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generals3 said:
As someone who is currently driving in an audi, has driven in a class A & Series 1 (yay company cars) and sometimes drives in cheaper rented fords or alike (during holidays abroad), I can assure you the driving experience is not the same at all. Sure the cheaper cars "would do", but the difference is much bigger than between let's say a Huawei P10 and Samsung galaxy S9. Although i'll admit that i'm not sure if i'd be willing to spend the money needed for an Audi/BMW/Mercedes if I suddenly ended up with a job without a company car.
I'm certainly sympathetic to that. My wife used to have a bottom of the range Citroen C2; when we moved in together we bought a mid-range Ford Fiesta, and it's vastly superior to the C2, so I have no problems thinking a Merc / Audi is similarly superior again.

As to corresponding differences, I couldn't say and I'll bow to your experience on the matter. I would say that as the difference between a Merc and a Citroen could be measured in plenty of thousands of pounds and a Huawei and Samsung in a few hundred, I'd definitely hope the car was a relatively better product.
 

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Let me offer a different perspective: Most people are terrible at calculating the total cost of monthly payments. Most people who get flashy flagship phones also get them (somewhat) discounted when they sign up for a multi year service plan with a service provider. Thus they don't see the actual $800+ price tag, what they see is a deceptively agreeable extra $15-20 extra on top of their $30-50 service plan. Add to that that many service providers also provide some decent replacement deals in case your phone gets damaged or destroyed and it probably seems like a pretty good deal to get a cool phone.

I know I fell for it last time I had to change my phone. It is not that many people need a new super cool phone, it is that service providers are really good at selling them to people as "a bonus" to their service plan. They are the bling that the phone companies use to lure people into expensive plans.
That's basically inline with my reasoning of phones just being marketed really well along with people just not realizing that a $100 phone now does everything.

PsychedelicDiamond said:
What's the deal with expensive... anything? Maybe it's a poor people thing, or maybe it's because I'm a literal socialist, but I value expediency over luxury. I had a CRT television up to, like, 2012. I drove a car from the mid 90s until last year, when it broke down on me. I almost exclusively drink tap water. I'm a few bottles of Pabst Blue Ribbon short of being a hipster. Call it utilitarianism but status symbols don't mean much to me.
Haha, I'm rather similar like I didn't buy a flatscreen TV until I bought a PS4 and realized it only has an HDMI port. I actually looked it up and found sources saying it had an AV out like the PS3.

Agema said:
Phoenixmgs said:
I seriously don't get why everyone "needs" an expensive phone these days.
For the same reason people frequently buy an Audi or Mercedes when a much cheaper Ford or Renault would do. It's about the image and the bragging rights.

That said, I have an "expensive" phone; albeit a premium phone on its release, but not by the time I got it 18 months later during a sale, by which time it was more a mid-price phone.
Everyone seems to feel they need an expensive phone. It's not like everyone is driving an Audi or Mercedes like everyone has a $700 phone these days. The same people I know that have a Kia or can't afford a car have top-of-the-line phones.
 

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I mostly use mine for mobile games...and watching videos/youtube.

A better phone means better/faster playback for 1080p+ mkvs and the like.

Also, this Note 8 I just got fairly recently has an excellent pen that's pretty much wacom tech in a smaller package. Aside from mobile programs generally being kinda crappy (I long for the day when I can throw ClipStudio on this damn thing), it's actually great for art on the go.

And it was 500 bucks less than the upcoming flagship since I waited so damned long to upgrade to it.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
Agema said:
Phoenixmgs said:
I seriously don't get why everyone "needs" an expensive phone these days.
For the same reason people frequently buy an Audi or Mercedes when a much cheaper Ford or Renault would do. It's about the image and the bragging rights.

That said, I have an "expensive" phone; albeit a premium phone on its release, but not by the time I got it 18 months later during a sale, by which time it was more a mid-price phone.
Everyone seems to feel they need an expensive phone. It's not like everyone is driving an Audi or Mercedes like everyone has a $700 phone these days. The same people I know that have a Kia or can't afford a car have top-of-the-line phones.
Because it's attainable. Most people can do a few weekends of overtime at work and afford a new samsung galaxy, even if they're working at close to minimum wage. Dropping an extra $500 on a phone isn't the same as dropping an extra $30,000 on a better car.

One of my friends is saving up for a PS4. I told him if he stopping buying chips and soda every lunch he'd be saving $10 a week, would have enough money to buy a PS4 by black Friday, and he'd lose some weight in the process. It's actually kind of amazing how easy to is to scrap together a couple hundred dollars for most people. We all waste money on things we don't actually need, you can always just redirect some of that waste.
 

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Since the charging port on my Nokia 3510i (Best Phone Ever!) broke down, I've been using a Samsung GT E 1080.
My sister thought I could use an update, so she got me an HTC Wildfire, which I used concurrently with the Samsung.
Until the HTC battery starting losing its charge after a few weeks. I can charge it almost full, but after only a few hours lying untouched in my pocket it starts bleeping red and complain about a low battery. Though it can still maintain that low battery for about 2 days. Anyway, I've just gotten a new phone to swap out the HTC with. A Nokia C5-00.
 

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LostGryphon said:
A better phone means better/faster playback for 1080p+ mkvs and the like.
My Samsung On5 plays 1080p MKVs just fine, I got some on my phone right now.

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Phoenixmgs said:
Everyone seems to feel they need an expensive phone. It's not like everyone is driving an Audi or Mercedes like everyone has a $700 phone these days. The same people I know that have a Kia or can't afford a car have top-of-the-line phones.
Because it's attainable. Most people can do a few weekends of overtime at work and afford a new samsung galaxy, even if they're working at close to minimum wage. Dropping an extra $500 on a phone isn't the same as dropping an extra $30,000 on a better car.
But that expensive phone doesn't do anything more than a $200 phone unlike a luxury car has lots more features that will actually be used.