What's the opinion on Luke Cage?
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And it really is the villain that makes the show. The compelling thing about Kingpin, Killgrave and Cottonmouth is that while they were horifically bad people, you could still sympathize with them and see how they ended up they way they did. Diamondback, even though he gets a backstory, does not give you this.rosac said:
As for Iron Fist, I watched the entire series and have totally forgotten whether or not it even HAS a main villain (aside from Madame Gao).
Edit: Oh yeah, I remember, it was mr "totally not a Norman Osborne knockoff"
Totally agree with the iron fist point. I really wish Netflix hadn't decided to ram "The hand" down our throats to the point of changing the iron fists point of existence for fucks sake. I think that Harold could have been interesting without the hand. But yes, there was no consistent villain. Hopefully Davos steps up his game next season.jademunky said:
I had to google what Diamondback's story was, and even then I couldn't remember exactly what happened.jademunky said:
Another complaint I have is that we get no satisfaction from his defeat. He gets beat up. Woo-fucking-hoo. We get to watch Kingpin's empire fall apart around him. Killgrave gets his neck snapped.
Cottonmouth gets killed in the most pathetic way, and Diamondback gets punched into a car or something and gets arrested. It doesn't help that the final fight is the cringiest thing I have seen in a superhero TV show since Oliver Queen took on Damien Darhk.
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Very bland to be honest though better than Iron Fist. Fought to get through the first 6 episodes and then later finally watched the rest. Just didnt engage me which was strange as i liked him in Jessica Jones. I liked the bit in the prison and I liked Cotton Mouth. Pacing is so slow and drawn out, fewer episodes would have made the show better - so much filler in it. Atleast there was no Hand in it, so bored of that group. Fights were just him walking towards enemies while they fire guns at him got boring though i did like the final fight. Before anyone moans i know he isnt DD. Agreed but i wish they had a few more heavies that could go toe to toe with him in a brawl.I do wonder if they rushed Luke Cage and Iron Fist series so they could do the Defenders as the quality in everything (writing, direction, fight cheorgraphy etc) went down the toilet.
Defenders is about the Hand, which isnt that interesting anymore. Hopefully they will do something new and interesting with it. After all Luke Cage will be a power house against the hand as swords wont touch him. I think im looking forward to the interactions between the characters most of all. Oh and hurry with Punisher series.
Defenders is about the Hand, which isnt that interesting anymore. Hopefully they will do something new and interesting with it. After all Luke Cage will be a power house against the hand as swords wont touch him. I think im looking forward to the interactions between the characters most of all. Oh and hurry with Punisher series.
I personally didn't like it, but, after consideration I've found that I haven't been terribly fond of any of the Netflix Marvel stuff, other than season 1 of Daredevil.
DD Season 2 felt very clunky to me, with the Punisher and Electra plots clashing at every opportunity. The pacing and writing felt forced, and overall I just really didn't care.
Jessica Jones annoyed me because they over played Kilgrave's "I'm going to escape by tossing a suicidal civilian in your way, forcing you to save them instead of catch me." Jessica's habit of constantly saying she was a horrible person, when she kept doing good things, also annoyed the shit out of me. She constantly put her personal goals on the backburner to help others. She always stopped to save innocent people, and she even took time to help the other victims of Kilgrave realize that what they did under his influence wasn't their fault. That they weren't to blame. But then when the mirror is pointed at herself? She blames herself for everything she did under Kilgrave's influence (contrary to what she expects of his other victims), she constantly tells herself and everyone that she's a horrible person (despite acting very selfless and heroic at every turn), and the show even ends with her shit talking herself as being a horrible person, but that she's all the people have to help them against the bad guys. By the end, her tendency to marinate in her own misery and self loathing made me genuinely hate her character. I didn't give a shit about her problems, because they were mostly problems she lumped onto herself. There were a lot of other issues I had with the show, but that was the part that genuinely frustrated me while watching it.
Luke Cage just felt dull. They were trying too much for the "Golden Age of Harlem" "Motown Roots" vibe, to actually tell me a story that I cared about. The villains felt like caricatures of real people, and Luke Cage's "I'm so squeaky clean Good Guy that I don't even curse, because Sweet Christmas By Jimminy that would just be bad." got old. It's like they were trying to make sure Luke had ZERO negative traits to point to, so they would avoid anyone trying to stereotype him as an "Angry Black Man' or something, and point to his negative traits to criticize the show. That in the end, they made a character that I just simply didn't believe was real. Like his villains, he was unrealistic, to the point of absurdity. The music also annoyed me. That fucking song "Hail to the Chief"...*shudders* If you've seen the show you know the scene I'm talking about. God I wanted to smack that guy and turn off the mic, it was so grating. It just, sucked in my opinion. The show in general.
Iron Fist. It was just terrible. I don't have time to elaborate on all the parts of it that were bad, but I don't have to. I can just point you to a plethora of criticisms online to do the talking for me. It sucked, end of story.
So, yeah, overall, I just don't like Netflix Marvel much at all. The tone doesn't resonate with me, and I find them disappointing. I never really complained much about Luke Cage, because I honestly didn't think it warranted talking about. I forgot about it like 24 hours after watching it.
DD Season 2 felt very clunky to me, with the Punisher and Electra plots clashing at every opportunity. The pacing and writing felt forced, and overall I just really didn't care.
Jessica Jones annoyed me because they over played Kilgrave's "I'm going to escape by tossing a suicidal civilian in your way, forcing you to save them instead of catch me." Jessica's habit of constantly saying she was a horrible person, when she kept doing good things, also annoyed the shit out of me. She constantly put her personal goals on the backburner to help others. She always stopped to save innocent people, and she even took time to help the other victims of Kilgrave realize that what they did under his influence wasn't their fault. That they weren't to blame. But then when the mirror is pointed at herself? She blames herself for everything she did under Kilgrave's influence (contrary to what she expects of his other victims), she constantly tells herself and everyone that she's a horrible person (despite acting very selfless and heroic at every turn), and the show even ends with her shit talking herself as being a horrible person, but that she's all the people have to help them against the bad guys. By the end, her tendency to marinate in her own misery and self loathing made me genuinely hate her character. I didn't give a shit about her problems, because they were mostly problems she lumped onto herself. There were a lot of other issues I had with the show, but that was the part that genuinely frustrated me while watching it.
Luke Cage just felt dull. They were trying too much for the "Golden Age of Harlem" "Motown Roots" vibe, to actually tell me a story that I cared about. The villains felt like caricatures of real people, and Luke Cage's "I'm so squeaky clean Good Guy that I don't even curse, because Sweet Christmas By Jimminy that would just be bad." got old. It's like they were trying to make sure Luke had ZERO negative traits to point to, so they would avoid anyone trying to stereotype him as an "Angry Black Man' or something, and point to his negative traits to criticize the show. That in the end, they made a character that I just simply didn't believe was real. Like his villains, he was unrealistic, to the point of absurdity. The music also annoyed me. That fucking song "Hail to the Chief"...*shudders* If you've seen the show you know the scene I'm talking about. God I wanted to smack that guy and turn off the mic, it was so grating. It just, sucked in my opinion. The show in general.
Iron Fist. It was just terrible. I don't have time to elaborate on all the parts of it that were bad, but I don't have to. I can just point you to a plethora of criticisms online to do the talking for me. It sucked, end of story.
So, yeah, overall, I just don't like Netflix Marvel much at all. The tone doesn't resonate with me, and I find them disappointing. I never really complained much about Luke Cage, because I honestly didn't think it warranted talking about. I forgot about it like 24 hours after watching it.