What's the problem with Nudity and Swearing?

[drdamo]

Words are there to be used, if you take offence in them, i'd say you should work on your tolerance and acceptance rather than pointing the blame finger to the one using them.
Then again, humans are lazy, hypocrite and easily offended so i guess i must be wrong and am considered an exception by the majority.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

That clip was fucking hilarious. Stephen Fry, I love you.

OT: It's just the way things have developed. It's a lot better than it was a century or so ago when showing your leg was the equivalent to showing your boobs.

I have no idea why people think it's so bad to be naked, I think that society takes things too seriously. That said, I prefer to see some people in clothes or better yet, not at all.

Swearing is something I do on a regular occasion. I rarely open my mouth without swearing. It's just the way I speak.

 

[MetalPhoenix]

Lewis Black speaks the truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFr6P2BtE3k

 

[CaseySmith]

I know it's a bit off topic. But I've recently realised, that there are some Bad Company 2 servers, which unfilter swear words, yet give warnings of banning you if you do swear. Keeping in mind the game already has vocal swearing, blood, killing etc...

Like Counter Strike Source servers, a lot of servers don't like you swearing, but again it's in the presence of simulated killing.


I think that some peoples' priorities need to maybe be sorted out a bit, either that, or it's just some people like to have a reason to go on a power trip. Why else would you UNfilter swear words, and put a swear word mod in that bans people for swearing?

 

[SextusMaximus]

YAY! House! Gotta <3 House.

Anyway, sorry, not much to add to this thread. I do not see the issue with either. I quite often swear simply because I enjoy it. As for nudity, meh.

You mean Hugh Laurie, right? :} Before he became famous in America he was well known here for shows like a bit of Fry and Laurie and Blackadder - an awesome guy!

 

[ThreeWords]

BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]

I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?

 

[Zenn3k]

(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])

What are your views / arguments?

Hey, whats wrong with sodomy?!

And this doesn't have to be able gay sex either, ask my ex girlfriend.

 

[SextusMaximus]

BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]

I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?

(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])

What are your views / arguments?

Hey, whats wrong with sodomy?!

And this doesn't have to be able gay sex either, ask my ex girlfriend.

Wait, not gay Sex, I meant extreme sex, E.G. Rapes and the Copraphilia, etc.

 

[SextusMaximus]

Nudity and swearing, two things considered taboo in our society... but... why?

First off, I had a description for this, but I believe Stephen Fry can explain better, why swearing perfectly harmless:

Secondly, why is nudity considered so bad? Who on earth thought that nudity could possibly come across as bad has their head up their arse.

A) If nudity is to be considered bad, it should only be allowed to add up to a 12 rating, as that's the age kids learn about Sex / puberty / etc. in school ( earlier, in my school's case ).

B) EVERYBODY has seen the opposite genders body parts at one part or another.

C) Isn't it hypocritical that one part of society are saying that the human body is a beautiful thing, while another part are ranting about how disgusting it it?

(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])

What are your views / arguments?

because not everyone is beautifull
I mean would you like it if you saw stephen fry explain it to you naked?
you know his wang hanging right infront of the camera

Your argument made me very, very sad.

 

[dex-dex]

well with the whole nudity thing
many north Americans (more about the US) there is two ways that people imagine being nude for and it either having a bath or shower or you are having sex so if your not bathing then your having sex. Also many states have some law about public nudity so many people think of the naked body as something sexual.
hence why a lot of Americans flipped out when they saw for not even a second of boob. more specifically Janet Jackson's boob

and swearing the words just had a bad rap. i mean farmers use to say that they were fucking the fields when they were planting seeds. because they were planting the seeds of life such as guys would be doing to their wives.

 

[Lexodus]

(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])

Am I the only one who finds that part I bolded to be very offensive and intolerant? Cause it would seem everyone has rather ignored it or simply not noticed it.

Sodomy doesn't mean gay sex. Sodomy, when people actually read the damn thing, was referring to gang rape and violent rape (and other sexual practices) in Sodom, and not just between men and men. However, the church overlooks this completely, and goes off on one about the evils of homosexuality, and a decent message is completely lost in translation.

tl;dr: Not buttsecks, but 2 girls 1 cup would be right out.

 

[Cyan.]

This is why i love living in Finland.

Cursing is just an everyday part of Finnish conversation.

Not to mention that getting hot, naked and sweaty in a small room while whipping each other with birch leaves (AKA Sauna) is our national pastime.

Fins are taught from an early age that nudity is a normal part of life, and there is not a fin around who wouldnt hesitate to strip to nothing infront of his friends, relatives or even random members of the opposite sex. In finland, Sauna is a nessesity, not a luxury. Almost every house has its own Sauna.

Just this weekend i was at a friends house for a sauna party. There was 5 guys and 7 girls. We had a great time. Drinking, socialising and playing guitar hero in between sauna sessions and there wasnt the slightest hint of sexual activity. Hell, i was there with my girlfriend. I didnt care my friends were seeing her naked and she didnt care other women saw me naked.

We have a saying. "Koti ei ole koti ilman saunaa" or "A home is not a home without a sauna".

Nudity isnt essentially sexual and i think its sick and twisted that other cultures twist and mutilate the minds and self esteem of their children by teaching them that their body is somehow disgusting, shameful and wrong and should be covered at all times.

In fact, i remember a couple of years back there was a colum written in the Helsinki newspapers about how prudish Americans and other foreginers are when comming to finland. The theme of the article was pretty much "Whats the big deal?".

As it so happens, i managed to find its online version - It features a huge array of finnish personalitys. From TV stars, newscasters, radio DJs and even high ranking politicians.

Each with a self written article and a nude photo.

You can find the arcitles here. Reading them wont do you much good unless you can speak finnish, but the point remains.

Whats the big deal people?

http://www.hs.fi/juttusarja/sielujaruumis/

Please note that that article contains nudity, and if i were to get banned for that link, it would be the height of irony.

Still, i shall post it anyway.

 

[SextusMaximus]

(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])

Am I the only one who finds that part I bolded to be very offensive and intolerant? Cause it would seem everyone has rather ignored it or simply not noticed it.

Sodomy doesn't mean gay sex. Sodomy, when people actually read the damn thing, was referring to gang rape and violent rape (and other sexual practices) in Sodom, and not just between men and men. However, the church overlooks this completely, and goes off on one about the evils of homosexuality, and a decent message is completely lost in translation.

tl;dr: Not buttsecks, but 2 girls 1 cup would be right out.

Thanks for clearing that up with people. People have gotten their definitions very wrong.

 

[CaptainCrunch]

A taboo is derived from context, and context is defined by societal constraint. Society is constantly shaped by history, and history remembers its taboos.

Take the taboo of swearing - it's the usage of words that may offend another person given proper context. Society constrains the words we use so that they may have more than one meaning, and so that they may have stronger meanings given context. These constraints are shaped historically by common conflicts, both internal and external. These conflicts are managed, perpetuated, and maintained by religious or governmental persuasion.

In the case of modern "Western" society, much of our culture is defined by the rise and spread of Christianity. The defining characteristic of the Christian philosophy is to "treat other people as you would have them treat you." Somewhere along the way, people figured out that they don't like having swears used against them, and philosophically were bound to view them as taboo to protect the common trust. No one at the time was able to disagree with this sentiment, as the governmental force of the time consisted of "we'll kill you if you get uppity," so the taboo stood.

It wasn't until the second half of the 20th century that we realized our society is shaped by the people that choose to participate therein, rather than the people that society empowers to protect our culture. I consider myself extremely privileged to be able to swear as I see appropriate, view pornography, and even change my body as I see fit. In recompense for this great honor, I show respect to those we've empowered by not telling them what fucking moronic little asswipes they are.

When it comes to nudity, it's a context thing. I know that nudity isn't equivalent to sex, but the first thought that comes into my head when I see a naked person is either "aw dude, gross" or "I hope she doesn't mind me staring as much as I am." This is because I am culturally and biologically stimulated by the bare figure of other humans (specifically physically attractive ladies.) I believe in our ability to tear down these taboos, but the only way to get rid of them is to remove the base instincts at work.

 

[Lexodus]

(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])

Am I the only one who finds that part I bolded to be very offensive and intolerant? Cause it would seem everyone has rather ignored it or simply not noticed it.

Sodomy doesn't mean gay sex. Sodomy, when people actually read the damn thing, was referring to gang rape and violent rape (and other sexual practices) in Sodom, and not just between men and men. However, the church overlooks this completely, and goes off on one about the evils of homosexuality, and a decent message is completely lost in translation.

tl;dr: Not buttsecks, but 2 girls 1 cup would be right out.

Thanks for clearing that up with people. People have gotten their definitions very wrong.

No problem, duder; you know what they say, know your enemy better than he knows himself, and laugh as he gets things wrong

 

[Vrach]

Ok on swearing part I agree 1000% and I thank you for that video, Stephen Fry ftw.

On nudity... well, dunno about you, but I don't like seeing guys walking around with their bits hanging out. To those of us who are not attracted to something sexually, we don't like seeing it, it's not really a big mystery. I don't mind it in movies/games if that's what you meant, but proper nudists, like on houses/beaches, it's just not my thing. Not that I condemn them somehow, but just not my cup of tea.

Btw... from wikipedia:
Sodomy (pronounced /&#712;s&#594;d&#601;mi/) is a term used in the law to describe the act of "unnatural" sex, which depending on jurisdiction can consist of oral sex or anal sex or any non-genital to genital congress, whether heterosexual, or homosexual, or with human or animal.

Apart from the animal part in the end (which is defined specifically as bestiality, so I'd say it's another matter), I can't say I see much wrong with the other stuff on that list, some are not for my taste, but nothing really wrong with any but the animal part :\

 

[ThreeWords]

BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]

I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?

(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])

What are your views / arguments?

Hey, whats wrong with sodomy?!

And this doesn't have to be able gay sex either, ask my ex girlfriend.

Wait, not gay Sex, I meant extreme sex, E.G. Rapes and the Copraphilia, etc.

You have a point, but you're using the wrong words. Be more careful next time...

 

[Engarde]

Swearing is taboo because it is offensive, and it is offensive because it is taboo. If certain words weren't considered to be "bad words" then they wouldn't be used as swears because they wouldn't be swears at all. Personally I think that's exactly why such words should be allowed and become more common, as removing its meaning/reaction removes its power, until it becomes meaningless.

As for nudity, it's the same circumstance. When I was a child, my family had very lax nudity taboos; me and my brothers were allowed to run around naked if we wanted and our parents wouldn't mind if they were seen changing or entering/exiting a shower, and as such I never needed to be told the difference between boys and girls, among other things. As long as groups of people attribute something bad to certain parts of human anatomy, from genitalia to ankles, then the problem will persist.

You have summed this up better than I could have. Bravo, sir!