What's the problem with Nudity and Swearing?

[SextusMaximus]

BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]

I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?

(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])

What are your views / arguments?

Hey, whats wrong with sodomy?!

And this doesn't have to be able gay sex either, ask my ex girlfriend.

Wait, not gay Sex, I meant extreme sex, E.G. Rapes and the Copraphilia, etc.

You have a point, but you're using the wrong words. Be more careful next time...

Sodomy is extreme and violent sex, my word was fine, but some major groups have skewed the word in order to make it seem like something else. I'm pretty sure most dictionaries have it down as extreme sex. (or something to those words)

 

[silver wolf009]

Well swearing is supposed to represnt an extremely negative impusle. However is being thrown around to much now. Either everything around us needs to be damned to hell or we just use the word to much.

I think that nudity is looked down upon because its part of our basser instincts and people really do try to control thier base instincts.

 

[Guffe]

I only swear when I get hurt really badly (like in sports or, when I get hurt ^^) and avoid it too much in public and if someone really is against swearing I don't swear around them because 1) I respect their opinion and 2) I don't want some stupid flame war to start. I also think that swearing is good if you really really want to state a powerful point but otherwise there are so many better ways to phrase oneself.
On nudity I have no idea what to say....

 

[Guffe]

This is why i love living in Finland.

Cursing is just an everyday part of Finnish conversation.

Not to mention that getting hot, naked and sweaty in a small room while whipping each other with birch leaves (AKA Sauna) is our national pastime.

Fins are taught from an early age that nudity is a normal part of life, and there is not a fin around who wouldnt hesitate to strip to nothing infront of his friends, relatives or even random members of the opposite sex. In finland, Sauna is a nessesity, not a luxury. Almost every house has its own Sauna.

Just this weekend i was at a friends house for a sauna party. There was 5 guys and 7 girls. We had a great time. Drinking, socialising and playing guitar hero in between sauna sessions and there wasnt the slightest hint of sexual activity. Hell, i was there with my girlfriend. I didnt care my friends were seeing her naked and she didnt care other women saw me naked.

We have a saying. "Koti ei ole koti ilman saunaa" or "A home is not a home without a sauna".

Nudity isnt essentially sexual and i think its sick and twisted that other cultures twist and mutilate the minds and self esteem of their children by teaching them that their body is somehow disgusting, shameful and wrong and should be covered at all times.

In fact, i remember a couple of years back there was a colum written in the Helsinki newspapers about how prudish Americans and other foreginers are when comming to finland. The theme of the article was pretty much "Whats the big deal?".

As it so happens, i managed to find its online version - It features a huge array of finnish personalitys. From TV stars, newscasters, radio DJs and even high ranking politicians.

Each with a self written article and a nude photo.

You can find the arcitles here. Reading them wont do you much good unless you can speak finnish, but the point remains.

Whats the big deal people?

http://www.hs.fi/juttusarja/sielujaruumis/

Please note that that article contains nudity, and if i were to get banned for that link, it would be the height of irony.

Still, i shall post it anyway.

Finland for the win!!!! (I am Finnish too)

Yeah you are right about your post and we finns swear a lot but I still think that it's used a bit too much -.- Check my post above. This is also the reason why I don't mind people swearing I just don't think it suits me to swear (all the time).

 

[Marter]

Because apparently gory violence is okay, while words and the human body will harm children.

Yeah, I don't like it either.

 

[Devil's Due]

I personally don't mind swearing and could care less if they were more lax on that, and nudity is normal to everyone, but to be quite honest, I don't want to see some guys junk in my face, nor some girl's body. And I'd prefer not to show someone else my body either. They could be more open minded to possibly being less harsh on nudity in media I suppose, but I do NOT want there to be nudity every day sort of new social norm where everyone is naked outside their house. I would never live in that society, I'm sorry.

Plus, another thing for some of us is that we have loved ones and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like the idea of forcing your girlfriend being nude all the time if it was suddenly law and letting every guy get a good look at her, or your children, because as you know, pedophiles are still always out there, now you just give him a legal choice of looking at your kids.

Swearing - I'm okay.

Nudity - Not really.

PS: Though I would prefer violence being more "extreme" than nudity (sex is different, as high as violence), since that's not nature though.

 

[Diligent]

Funny there should be a topic about this, because I was just wondering the same thing.
See, I was watching a horror movie marathon of sorts on AMC, and they were playing "The Shining".
In that movie, the swearing is integral to the movie because when Jack Nicholson's character starts to open up and go nuts on his wife, it really hits home when he says things like "You're fucking up my life!", but it turns into a total joke when a bad voiceover dub changes it to "You're FOULING up my life!"
There is another moment with "The N word" where they dub it over with, "It's the NO-GOOD cook." and it sounded horrible. Thank you AMC for messing with one of my favourite horror movies.
The best part is they played that movie "Ghost Ship" after and they had no problem showing uncensored the intro scene where a mast or something breaks and a cable swipes through and cuts an entire boatload of people in half in gruesome fashion.

Backwards priorities much? Who are we censoring this for the benefit of? Children?
Because if I had a kid, say 4 years old, I'd rather have to explain why the mean man is saying bad words than have him or her watch a blood soaked scene like that.

 

[Cyan.]

Finland for the win!!!! (I am Finnish too)

Yeah you are right about your post and we finns swear a lot but I still think that it's used a bit too much -.- Check my post above. This is also the reason why I don't mind people swearing I just don't think it suits me to swear (all the time).

Sorry i missed your post.

I guess it depends on the context.... I mean, so far as i can tell, going a whole day without one PERKELE is completley unfinnish...

However, perhaps the most rude thing you could say to another fin is something like "turppa kiini", which isnt actually offensive if you translate it directly..... But the meaning of "shut the fuck up" is there.

I remember reading on a webpage that the worst thing you can say in japanese is "kisama" which simply translates as another word for "you". Just an insulting version.


But, i think swearing itself is not so much as problem. Its INSULTS i have issue with. I could insult someone all day without using a single curse word.

 

[Guffe]

Finland for the win!!!! (I am Finnish too)

Yeah you are right about your post and we finns swear a lot but I still think that it's used a bit too much -.- Check my post above. This is also the reason why I don't mind people swearing I just don't think it suits me to swear (all the time).

Sorry i missed your post.

I guess it depends on the context.... I mean, so far as i can tell, going a whole day without one PERKELE is completley unfinnish...

However, perhaps the most rude thing you could say to another fin is something like "turppa kiini", which isnt actually offensive if you translate it directly..... But the meaning of "shut the fuck up" is there.

I remember reading on a webpage that the worst thing you can say in japanese is "kisama" which simply translates as another word for "you". Just an insulting version.


But, i think swearing itself is not so much as problem. Its INSULTS i have issue with. I could insult someone all day without using a single curse word.

This is so true, the thing with your japan post is good and another example is that in China calling someone your "brother" if they are not brother by blood is the worst thing, kinda the same.
I go many days without a Perkele thou!! ^^ I am Swedish speaking Finn (mom speaking Swedish and dad Finnish so don't flame me just yet, I speak both languages equally ^^) and so my normal curse words are either English or "Voi Vittu", but I also do stuff like "Voi Video", about the same as "Fudge", everyone gets what I want to say but I don't say the actual words, bad example would be "You know who" = Voldemort from Harry Potter.
I actually think if insulting someone, doing it without harsh words is more efficient than throwing lots of curse words at them because that juts makes it lame 'cause you hear that all the time.

 

[Hateren47]

BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]

I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?

Sodomy is not only gay sex.

Definition of SODOMY (from Merriam-Webster Online)
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal.

 

[Robyrt]

News flash: Obscene words are a cultural construct, deriving meaning specifically from their taboo status. If no one used it as an expletive intended to get a specific reaction from the hearer, it would be just another word. By using such a word in an everyday context, you are attempting to make it less offensive and impactful, at which point a new more shocking word will take its place.

Incidentally, I have never cursed in my life. I just never got into the habit as a child, and now when I want an expletive all I can think of is Comics Code-approved stuff like "Curses!"

 

[Peteron]

Ok, lets start with swearing shall we? I, like all of you here, curse sometimes. It is a natural thing. People swear in movies, games and in real life, which is fine with me. However, when it is excessive it loses its effect and just becomes unpleasant to listen to. As for nudity, yea the human body is "beautiful" to many. (Hopefully people talking about the opposite sex) And it is shown in movies as well, but not as often these days. In movies it is probably picked on because many younger kids go to see these films, so you hear the parents talking. Plus, being a stripper isn't exactly an honorable profession.

 

[TheTaco007]

If swearing weren't offensive and taboo, it would defeat the whole point of it. That's why I hate people who swear at least twice in every sentence. It looses meaning.

Nudity on the other hand, there shouldn't be as much of a problem with. Well, actually, that's not true. If everyone was completely naked, there'd be issues, but if nobody cared about people being topless, there'd be no harm done.

 

[Sixties Spidey]

-snip-

Here's something we should think more about: Why is sex in any type of media given slander, yet killing in media is still considered OK?

 

[Varanfan9]

Nothing is wrong with either. Swear words are again just words that are only as bad as you consider them. As for nudity, well I found the source of this. A couple hundred years ago the Catholic Church declared certain parts of the human body to be bad. Before that no one cared about nudity. Hell ancient Egyptian children wore nothing and no one complained. But since then we have been all uppity about nudity which is not really all that wrong. Its just skin people get over it. And why are women's breasts considered obscene but men's are not. Because there elevated? Not really a good reason.

 

[SextusMaximus]

News flash: Obscene words are a cultural construct, deriving meaning specifically from their taboo status. If no one used it as an expletive intended to get a specific reaction from the hearer, it would be just another word. By using such a word in an everyday context, you are attempting to make it less offensive and impactful, at which point a new more shocking word will take its place.

Incidentally, I have never cursed in my life. I just never got into the habit as a child, and now when I want an expletive all I can think of is Comics Code-approved stuff like "Curses!"

Please, PLEASE read the other comments in the thread. All of this stuff has been covered before...

 

[Requx]

The only reason we can't swear all the time is because nobody likes it when kids swear because they don't even fucking understand what they're saying and they're not mature enough to understand it so they just do it constantly. Nudity on the other hand I would like to thank unatractive people for... and I guess religion. There are lots of WOMEN I wouldnt mind seeing naked all the time, that said there are some I'd rather not see. And I don't really wanna look at naked dudes. I mean even in Sparta they dont believe in Total nudity.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

If swearing was ok then there would be no point in swearing.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

Some people can be quite prudish.

And I am one of those prudes! Not necessarily an anti-nude, anti-bad-word Nazi though. I just like it to be used either contextually correctly or, as a sweet little extra.

Like in Clerks, the swearing works because of the style of that movie anyway. It makes the movie seem real (although weird to have so many chest/face level security cameras) In Dead to Rights: Retribution though, the swearing just seems to indicate that the people writing the script had no idea how to make a 'bad ass cop on the edge' character without having every other word he uses rhyming with the Pokemon 'muk'. As for the thugs he kills; they're bad guys and as we all know, bad people never cease with the swearing

As for nudity, that's a bit more tricky. Personally, I prefer near nudity as it leave more to the imagination. Nothing ruins a nude-shot for example, like plate-sized nipples or...you know what, I'll keep quite (as the nipple thing probably already earned me a probation). Remember the original Mass Effect? You didn't see much but you saw enough to know that nudity was happening. It had the look and feel of a tender love scene which would arguably requires subtlety. You knew, however, exactly what Shepard and his Assari consort (or whoever you banged) were doing without seeing so much as a nipple.

Soft-Core porn on the other hand is hilarious. The fact that the people are naked is just the pie-in-the-face mainly because you know there is nothing at all happening down there.

I've lost my train of thought so sorry about the rambling text wall.In short: bad words and nudity =/= bad. Too much of it however, does.