What's the problem with Nudity and Swearing?

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SextusMaximus

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Danny Ocean said:
SextusMaximus said:
Danny Ocean said:
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C) Isn't it hypocritical that one part of society are saying that the human body is a beautiful thing, while another part are ranting about how disgusting it it?
No, because 'society' is not one giant monolithic blob.
You completely skewed my point. You know what I was saying.
Apparently not. Perhaps you should explain this one in other terms.
Schools teach Sex Ed, saying how the human body is sacred and beautiful. Meanwhile, having nudity in a game is considered disgusting and gives the game an AO rating.
 

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Some people can be quite prudish.

Personally, I have no problems with either but some people do.

Just life, people love having something to be offended at. :p
mostly fat and fugly people(mostly fat and fuglee women) ***** about this. if society is so liberal whats the issue with acting like your conservative in this issue?
 

CanadianWolverine

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This is why i love living in Finland.

Cursing is just an everyday part of Finnish conversation.

Not to mention that getting hot, naked and sweaty in a small room while whipping each other with birch leaves (AKA Sauna) is our national pastime.

Fins are taught from an early age that nudity is a normal part of life, and there is not a fin around who wouldnt hesitate to strip to nothing infront of his friends, relatives or even random members of the opposite sex. In finland, Sauna is a nessesity, not a luxury. Almost every house has its own Sauna.

Just this weekend i was at a friends house for a sauna party. There was 5 guys and 7 girls. We had a great time. Drinking, socialising and playing guitar hero in between sauna sessions and there wasnt the slightest hint of sexual activity. Hell, i was there with my girlfriend. I didnt care my friends were seeing her naked and she didnt care other women saw me naked.

We have a saying. "Koti ei ole koti ilman saunaa" or "A home is not a home without a sauna".

Nudity isnt essentially sexual and i think its sick and twisted that other cultures twist and mutilate the minds and self esteem of their children by teaching them that their body is somehow disgusting, shameful and wrong and should be covered at all times.

In fact, i remember a couple of years back there was a colum written in the Helsinki newspapers about how prudish Americans and other foreginers are when comming to finland. The theme of the article was pretty much "Whats the big deal?".

As it so happens, i managed to find its online version - It features a huge array of finnish personalitys. From TV stars, newscasters, radio DJs and even high ranking politicians.

Each with a self written article and a nude photo.

You can find the arcitles here. Reading them wont do you much good unless you can speak finnish, but the point remains.

Whats the big deal people?

http://www.hs.fi/juttusarja/sielujaruumis/

Please note that that article contains nudity, and if i were to get banned for that link, it would be the height of irony.

Still, i shall post it anyway.
Next thing you are going to tell me your country has universal healthcare (including dental), better voter turnout/participation with proportional representation, legal drugs and addictions treated with medical practice rather than jail time, enviromental and energy regulation/protection with teeth, universal vocational education, and legal prostitution gives people working in that industry safe working conditions.

Please tell me there are some of those other things, because with your post Finland easily moved up just below New Zealand as places I must visit if I ever get the means to travel simply because I admire people who are so awesome.



The rest of you can probably tell where I come down on the whole swearing and nudity things at this point. But let me say this, I try to respect other people's views, if they let me know my swearing bothers them, I try to curb my tongue while in ear shot of them and while I may walk about the house naked on a regular basis, I have the curtains closed. Its important to note I don't do public nudity for the same reason I wash my hands, wipe the toilet seat, and use a piece of paper to open the door on a public washroom - I simply don't know what others have been so inconsiderate as to leave behind on the things I touch. If I lived in a place where I was sure others didn't break beer bottles or whatever on the ground (and clean it up if they did), I would walk around bare foot.
 

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While swearing is just words and nudity is just being open with who you are, I can't help but get the feeling that we're getting a little too holier-than-thou about our viewpoint. I mean, sure, a lot of people are overly puritanical about the use of swearing and profanity, but it seems like we're taking the "pfft, what's the big fucking deal?" viewpoint just for the sake of being anti-establishment.

As for nudity, well, as multiple people have pointed out, there are practical reasons for not being nude in day-to-day life. And of course, media typically simulates reality, so nudity is just as infrequent. Like with going to the bathroom and other aspects of everyday life, nudity and sex should only be used in media if there's an explicit improvement in quality because of it.
 

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LadyRhian said:
Hateren47 said:
ThreeWords said:
SextusMaximus said:
BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]
I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?
Sodomy is not only gay sex.

Definition of SODOMY (from Merriam-Webster Online)
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal.
Oral sex is cunnilingus if you are doing it to a woman, fellatio if you are doing it to a man. sex with an animal is bestiality. Sodomy is a specific act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/552329/sodomy

Can we agree that sodomy is any sexual act that some societies would deem illegal?
 

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Lexodus said:
KeyMaster45 said:
SextusMaximus said:
(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])
Am I the only one who finds that part I bolded to be very offensive and intolerant? Cause it would seem everyone has rather ignored it or simply not noticed it.
Sodomy doesn't mean gay sex. Sodomy, when people actually read the damn thing, was referring to gang rape and violent rape (and other sexual practices) in Sodom, and not just between men and men. However, the church overlooks this completely, and goes off on one about the evils of homosexuality, and a decent message is completely lost in translation.

tl;dr: Not buttsecks, but 2 girls 1 cup would be right out.
Thank you Webster's (and yes I took the time to bookmark the page this morning when I wrote the first post)

Definition of SODOMY
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal
I don't know about you but that's the definition I've understood the word to mean for years...well minus the animal bit that was new info for me.

Here's the link.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sodomy

SextusMaximus said:
Thanks for clearing that up with people. People have gotten their definitions very wrong.
See above.
 

Something Amyss

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Nudity leads to people getting aroused, getting aroused leads to sex, and sex feels good. We can't have that.
 

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Well, swearing is fine as long as it doesn't overstay its welcome. Overuse it and suddenly you look like you're trying too hard to make an edgy impression.

As for nudity, the problem there is me. Somehow I never managed to find it arousing, as if I never grew out of my elementary years. Okay, too much information.
 

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ciortas1 said:
RobinHood3000 said:
While swearing is just words and nudity is just being open with who you are, I can't help but get the feeling that we're getting a little too holier-than-thou about our viewpoint. I mean, sure, a lot of people are overly puritanical about the use of swearing and profanity, but it seems like we're taking the "pfft, what's the big fucking deal?" viewpoint just for the sake of being anti-establishment.
I think you're getting the sides mixed up a little bit. The people who are acting holier-than-thou are the people who are censoring every little bit of obscenity in the media. Also, I (and I assume others) don't criticise this idiocy for the sake of being anti-establishment, but because it greatly diminishes certain aspects of our lives.
But that's my point - we try to elevate ourselves by calling every act of censorship "idiocy," when I think we could be more reasonable about it if we wanted to. Hence, the censors aren't the only ones being "holier-than-thou."

I think the only reasons the censors are quite so fervent about eliminating profanity in the first place is because they perceive an equally fervent effort in the opposite direction. Moreover, I haven't really seen all that much effort to censor profanity lately, with progress in media on our side for quite some time.

I would be interested in learning what aspects of your life censorship has impacted, if you have any examples you're willing to offer.
 

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I'm fine with nudity, but it still makes me feel uncomfortable because of the way that I was brought up. It's not bad, but the person might get a bit cold...

As for swearing, I think it's alright if it's used for emphasis. However, it's inappropriate if it is used maliciously to another person or animal.
 

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SextusMaximus said:
EDIT: PLEASE LOOK UP THE DEFINITION TO SODOMY. IT IS NOT GAY SEX, IT IS EXTREME SEX, LIKE VIOLENCE AND RAPES
YELLING doesn't make things more accurate.

Oxford English:
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sodomy (sod¦omy)
Pronunciation:/ˈsɒdəmi/
noun
[mass noun]
anal intercourse

Merriam Webster:
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sod·omy
\ˈsä-də-mē\ noun
Definition of SODOMY
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal
? sod·om·it·ic\ˌsä-də-ˈmi-tik\ or sod·om·it·i·cal \-ti-kəl\ adjective

Common Parlance:
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Bum Sex. Heathen Queer Bum Sex (if you're in the Bible Belt).
 

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SextusMaximus said:
LadyRhian said:
SextusMaximus said:
LadyRhian said:
SextusMaximus said:
ThreeWords said:
SextusMaximus said:
ThreeWords said:
SextusMaximus said:
BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]
I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?
Zenn3k said:
SextusMaximus said:
(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])

What are your views / arguments?
Hey, whats wrong with sodomy?!

And this doesn't have to be able gay sex either, ask my ex girlfriend.
Wait, not gay Sex, I meant extreme sex, E.G. Rapes and the Copraphilia, etc.
You have a point, but you're using the wrong words. Be more careful next time...
Sodomy is extreme and violent sex, my word was fine, but some major groups have skewed the word in order to make it seem like something else. I'm pretty sure most dictionaries have it down as extreme sex. (or something to those words)
Really? I've always used it, and seen it used to describe anal sex. Laws on the books against Sodomy were put there primarily to criminalize male-male sex. Though men and women can do it as well, it's usually seen as perverted. But primarily, the meaning is Anal sex, no matter what definitions have been grafted on to it later.
Unnatural is what is described. I generally assumed that to mean extreme or grotusque in the manner used. Not to mention if it is used to describe anal sex, that allows to be used for Homosexuals and Heterosexuals. Not just one.
Of course it does. But it was used to criminalize male-male sex. Especially in the south. Men and women were rarely prosecuted for such (presumably because it was done in the privacy of one's home, and procreative sex was considered to be the norm where man and women were concerned.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States
Sodomy laws. Not sodomy.
Sodomy laws defined sodomy. Otherwise, how would people know to enforce the laws?
Hateren47 said:
LadyRhian said:
Hateren47 said:
ThreeWords said:
SextusMaximus said:
BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]
I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?
Sodomy is not only gay sex.

Definition of SODOMY (from Merriam-Webster Online)
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal.
Oral sex is cunnilingus if you are doing it to a woman, fellatio if you are doing it to a man. sex with an animal is bestiality. Sodomy is a specific act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/552329/sodomy

Can we agree that sodomy is any sexual act that some societies would deem illegal?
No, because Sodomy has a definition already. It's anal sex. And in Judaism, the crime of Sodom was not sex but inhospitality. But, from your own first link: From the earliest times in the United States, sodomy (variously defined) was prohibited, although some historians suggest that early sodomy laws were mainly used to address issues of non-consensual behavior, or public behavior. The earliest known United States law journal article dealing with sodomy was in 1905 in West Virginia. Attorney E.D. Leach argued that "perverted sexual natures" were related to crime. "Sodomy, rape, lust-murder, bodily injury, theft, robbery, torture of animals, injury to property and many other crimes may be committed under these conditions." 18th and 19th century judges often editorialized about the act of sodomy as they handed down their rulings. "That most detestable sin", the "horrid act", "the horrible crime", "that which is unfit to be named among Christians" characterized some of the language used by British and American jurists when punishing sodomites. Emphasis is usually on the notion that the act of anal penetration is so offensive "to God almighty" that the term Sodomy (literally, that which occurred in Sodom) is the only appropriate way of designating the activity. In other words, it was understood that when reference was made to "an unspeakable act" having occurred, it was clear that the act in question was none other than anal penetration. Some say, however, that the "Sin of Sodom" accurately referred not to anal penetration but rather to the agglomeration of ALL the unholy activities said to have occurred in Sodom and that it is thus inaccurate to imply a one-to-one relationship.

Ergo- Sodomy defined as male-male sex.

Also: Evolution of the term in other languages

In modern French, the word ?sodomie?, and in modern Spanish, the word ?sodomía?, is used exclusively for penetrative anal sex (where the penetration is performed with a penis or a substitute of similar shape such as a dildo, possibly a strap-on dildo, thus any gender can be on the giving or receiving end). The matching French verb is "sodomiser" (Spanish "sodomizar"). In modern German, the word ?Sodomie? has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality. (See Paragraph 175 StGB, version of June 28, 1935.) The same goes for the Norwegian word ?sodomi? and the Polish "sodomia".
 

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LadyRhian said:
SextusMaximus said:
LadyRhian said:
SextusMaximus said:
LadyRhian said:
SextusMaximus said:
ThreeWords said:
SextusMaximus said:
ThreeWords said:
SextusMaximus said:
BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]
I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?
Zenn3k said:
SextusMaximus said:
(BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy])

What are your views / arguments?
Hey, whats wrong with sodomy?!

And this doesn't have to be able gay sex either, ask my ex girlfriend.
Wait, not gay Sex, I meant extreme sex, E.G. Rapes and the Copraphilia, etc.
You have a point, but you're using the wrong words. Be more careful next time...
Sodomy is extreme and violent sex, my word was fine, but some major groups have skewed the word in order to make it seem like something else. I'm pretty sure most dictionaries have it down as extreme sex. (or something to those words)
Really? I've always used it, and seen it used to describe anal sex. Laws on the books against Sodomy were put there primarily to criminalize male-male sex. Though men and women can do it as well, it's usually seen as perverted. But primarily, the meaning is Anal sex, no matter what definitions have been grafted on to it later.
Unnatural is what is described. I generally assumed that to mean extreme or grotusque in the manner used. Not to mention if it is used to describe anal sex, that allows to be used for Homosexuals and Heterosexuals. Not just one.
Of course it does. But it was used to criminalize male-male sex. Especially in the south. Men and women were rarely prosecuted for such (presumably because it was done in the privacy of one's home, and procreative sex was considered to be the norm where man and women were concerned.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States
Sodomy laws. Not sodomy.
Sodomy laws defined sodomy. Otherwise, how would people know to enforce the laws?
Hateren47 said:
LadyRhian said:
Hateren47 said:
ThreeWords said:
SextusMaximus said:
BTW Nudity IS NOT EQUAL TO Sex - which probably isn't that bad either [provided it's not sodomy]
I agree in general, except for this exert. Why, if sex is allowable, is gay sex somehow worse?
Sodomy is not only gay sex.

Definition of SODOMY (from Merriam-Webster Online)
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal.
Oral sex is cunnilingus if you are doing it to a woman, fellatio if you are doing it to a man. sex with an animal is bestiality. Sodomy is a specific act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/552329/sodomy

Can we agree that sodomy is any sexual act that some societies would deem illegal?

No, because Sodomy has a definition already. It's anal sex. And in Judaism, the crime of Sodom was not sex but inhospitality. But, from your own first link: From the earliest times in the United States, sodomy (variously defined) was prohibited, although some historians suggest that early sodomy laws were mainly used to address issues of non-consensual behavior, or public behavior. The earliest known United States law journal article dealing with sodomy was in 1905 in West Virginia. Attorney E.D. Leach argued that "perverted sexual natures" were related to crime. "Sodomy, rape, lust-murder, bodily injury, theft, robbery, torture of animals, injury to property and many other crimes may be committed under these conditions." 18th and 19th century judges often editorialized about the act of sodomy as they handed down their rulings. "That most detestable sin", the "horrid act", "the horrible crime", "that which is unfit to be named among Christians" characterized some of the language used by British and American jurists when punishing sodomites. Emphasis is usually on the notion that the act of anal penetration is so offensive "to God almighty" that the term Sodomy (literally, that which occurred in Sodom) is the only appropriate way of designating the activity. In other words, it was understood that when reference was made to "an unspeakable act" having occurred, it was clear that the act in question was none other than anal penetration. Some say, however, that the "Sin of Sodom" accurately referred not to anal penetration but rather to the agglomeration of ALL the unholy activities said to have occurred in Sodom and that it is thus inaccurate to imply a one-to-one relationship.

Ergo- Sodomy defined as male-male sex.

Also: Evolution of the term in other languages

In modern French, the word ?sodomie?, and in modern Spanish, the word ?sodomía?, is used exclusively for penetrative anal sex (where the penetration is performed with a penis or a substitute of similar shape such as a dildo, possibly a strap-on dildo, thus any gender can be on the giving or receiving end). The matching French verb is "sodomiser" (Spanish "sodomizar"). In modern German, the word ?Sodomie? has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality. (See Paragraph 175 StGB, version of June 28, 1935.) The same goes for the Norwegian word ?sodomi? and the Polish "sodomia".
All right, in the American version of english anno 1905, sodomy means sex between two men. Everywhere else also includes any "unnatural sex" like oral sex, zoophilia, paedophilia, necrophilia etc.

Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis you are full of it. Anal sex also already has a definition. Several in fact.
 

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Swearing is a beautiful expression of basic human emotions and should not be censored because some people have deemed them to be bad word. A word can not be bad only the context in which a person uses it.

BTW what is the problem with consensual sodomy? Last I checked a BJ is considered sodomy and thats not all that taboo. Here is the actual definition for sodomy:

sodomy sod·om·y (sŏd'ə-mç)
n.

Anal copulation of one male with another.

Anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.

Copulation with an animal.

Ok that last one is a little weird, people don't copulate with your pets.
 

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This is a very POV topic. From one perspective(religious maybe) these things are against their creed and therefore bad. From a utilitarian standpoint, these things aren't necessarily bad but unless controlled to some extent they can make enforcement of order... odd. From a postmodern standpoint, however, there's absolutely nothing wrong with fucking in the middle of a city park while screaming at a passing Jew to go blow a yak. Like I said, it's what you consider the natural order of the world that filters your perceptions.

You can tell I don't like postmodernism... well I can have my opinions, and you can feel free to hate my worldview too.
 

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SextusMaximus said:
Sodomy laws. Not sodomy.
Basically - you should stop using the word.
The meaning of it is not very specific, it means different things to different people and in different contexts (eg. legal, religious).

Just tell us what you really mean :)

Generally I'd suggest stop using the word except perhaps for humorous effect.