What's the worst gun?

[DefunctTheory]

- Despite the early success of the AK 47, didn't the Soviet Union's military industry change the main line of production to the AK 74, chambered for the 5.56 round (despite the reluctance of Kalashnikov himself?)

Point 2: The AK-74 is chamber for 5.45mm ammunition.

For the random and babbling record: 5.56mm chambered AK-74s do exist, and pop up from time to time. However, they are, to the best of my knowledge, quite rare.

I'm uncertain if this was a separate production variant with the intent for use in situations where scavenging NATO munitions was expected as part of mission parameters, or if these weapons have been modified by a gunsmith.

You're actually referring to the AK-101/102 family of weapons. They are nothing more than AK-74's chambered for 5.56 though, so you're still right.

They were designed for export only. Basically, a cash grab aimed at NATO countries.

 

[chainer1216]

yeah... Desert Eagle, fucking terrible.

 

[Starke]

What I want to know is why everyone is saying the Deagle is the worst gun. Sure, it's impractical as hell and overhyped. But even the weakest round in that thing will put someone flat on their ass in one hit, and they're reliable. I'd rather have a Deagle over a Chauchet.

The Chauchet gets my vote. If you got three rounds off before that thing jammed you were doing good.

Is that the LMG from WWI, with the cutaway mag with oiled rounds? The one that was machined so poorly that their components weren't cross compatible with other copies of the same gun?

Yup. Colossal piece of shit those things.


Yet I wouldn't mind having one, if only to say I have one. I'd never try to shoot it though, that'd just be an exercise in futility.

I'm told that if you retool them to some kind of functional consistency and keep them clean they can be fired... sometimes... Of course if I was looking for weird French guns the Lamat would be far higher on my list of preferences.

 

[Zykmiester]

FAMAS

 

[Booze Zombie]

I'm not sure about absolute worst gun of all time, but the Desert Eagle is very much up there in terms in of impracticality and is ridiculously over-rated by the type of people that learned everything they know about guns from Modern Warfare 2.

It's a good gun... in fiction.
Also, you've pretty much said what I was going to say... I feel hollow.

 

[Starke]

H&K G11?

 

[Ze_Reaper_Of_Zeath]

The Desert Eagle. I can't think of any functional use for it. Sure it is awesome and has an intimidation factor, but as a weapon it defies all reasons for using a handgun in the first place.

I agree, Desert Eagle is only the "fear/intimidation" factor, nothing more to it.

Quite a bad handgun.

 

[Wadders]

Also, and I know I'm gonna catch a TON of flak for this, but fragmentation grenades and shotguns. They're both VERY situational, and with the frag grenade you have as much chance of injuring/killing yourself as others if you don't use it properly.
And shotguns are pretty much pathetic if someone's more than 10 feet away from you.

Yeah grenades are dangerous to the user, but the people who use them are pros, trained in their use.

Have you ever used a shotgun? or is your knowledge of them gleaned entirely from CoD? In that game they are useless, but in real life with the correct ammunition and chokes they are capable of shooting a lot further than that. Mine certainly is, and thats just a basic over/under.

I've used a shotgun, I took liberties with the range. Not all grenades are used by professionals. You'd be surprised at what gang members get their hands on. And yea, I know shotguns are decent weapons, but they're still very situational. Even the S.C.A.R. Shotgun is unreliable when attempting to get a wound/kill. Hunting slugs are different from regular shotgun shells. They have less of a spread. There's a reason shotguns are called "room sweepers." Large area of effect, not a lot of aiming.

That being said, if you're looking for a very good weapon, you can't do much better than the M-16 or M-15

Hmm yeah, good call with the grenades being used by gang members, I didnt realise that

While I agree shotguns are situational, they are very effective at what they do within those situations. Door breaching, Close Quarters Combat, less-than-lethal ammo for riot control and their size and noise are also rather intimidating. Shotguns excell at these kinda things, and thats just military and police usage. In fact, recently militaries have been testing ammunition such as the Frag-12, which allows what is basically a mini grenade to be fired from any shotgun, dramatically increasing a soldiers firepower without him having to lug a grenade launcher around.

For civilians, given the right cartridges depending on what youre shooting at (birdshot, buckshot, rifled slugs) you can hunt anything from cute ickle rabbits to big game. The amount of different types of shotgun ammunition is pretty staggering.

Also, what is the SCAR shotgun? Do you mean undermounted shotguns like the KAC Masterkey? Because I believe the primary funtion of those weapons is not to wound/ kill, but for door breaching. Hence the name "masterkey". Being undermounted, the soldier dont need to waste waste space carrying a full size shotgun, and it can be easily switched to as and when it is needed.

 

[DazBurger]

the M-16. considered the worst assault rifle in the world. any sort of melee with it would shatter the spring-loaded stock and the overly complex firing mechanism was a ***** to clean and jammed alot. the only reason it became the standard american infantry rifle was politics, "buy my gun and you get my vote". it was originally designed for MPs at stateside military bases

It's since been fixed though. Several times. Pretty sure that the M16 A4 (the most recent version) has most of the creses ironed out.

i know, i was just referencing the original. but i dont see what was wrong with the m-14

It was too light for its relative heavy ammonition. And it lacked a pistol-grip.
Both things that made it uncontrollable when firing full-auto.

it had a pistol grip, and it was meant to be a semi-automatic rifle.

Arent we talking about this one?

Dont see any pistol-grip^^


Besides, full auto was the whole point. The M16 did have alot less stopping-power, but the new smaller round made it able to fire bursts or even full auto, with relatively great precision.

Instead the M-14 got the role as DMR.


I recommend this video for everyone interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6CxQh3YXA

I think its from Discovery or some other channel I'm not familiar with.

maybe hes talking about the M14 EBR
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.eairsoftsniperrifles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/gp-ebr-m14kit.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.eairsoftsniperrifles.com/airsoft-gun-reviews/kart-m14-ebr-airsoft-sniper-rifle-review/&h=499&w=450&sz=41&tbnid=oK7VNxZG2Ey6kM:&tbnh=236&tbnw=213&prev=/images%3Fq%3DM14%2BEBR&zoom=1&q=M14+EBR&usg=__7m6RjqzMjy6mB8Q4NkesyPkLgTY=&sa=X&ei=W56NTPvmA4mbnAe7p7DgCw&ved=0CBgQ9QEwAA
this one is an airsoft version but its the same principle

I hope not, as we are talking about why the M16 replaced the M14, whick happened in 1962-1965.

The M14 EBR first hit the drawing-board in 2000 and entered service in 2004.

 

[Kermi]

I'm not sure about absolute worst gun of all time, but the Desert Eagle is very much up there in terms in of impracticality and is ridiculously over-rated by the type of people that learned everything they know about guns from Modern Warfare 2.

The Desert Eagle is a piece of crap in MW2. If anyone is obsessed with the Deagle it stems from playing older PC games like Counter-Strike or Soldier of Fortune (in SoF the Desert Eagle had enough power to blow off limbs and explode heads, making it a mainstay for the majority of the game), and a lot of people only use the gun because it the gaming community has an overrated opinion of it thanks to games like that.

 

[captaincabbage]

I'm not sure about absolute worst gun of all time, but the Desert Eagle is very much up there in terms in of impracticality and is ridiculously over-rated by the type of people that learned everything they know about guns from Modern Warfare 2.

you forgot the inverted commas around "know".

You are totally right though. I spoke with a mate of mine in the Australian S.A.S and he said it's the most retarded and ompractical gun he'd ever fired, even at the firing range.

 

[Srdjan]

Worst gun is no gun at all.

 

[Koeryn]

I'm not sure about absolute worst gun of all time, but the Desert Eagle is very much up there in terms in of impracticality and is ridiculously over-rated by the type of people that learned everything they know about guns from Modern Warfare 2.

And you managed to show off the absolute worst version of the Desert Eagle: The Airsoft version. =p

 

[Koeryn]

this =P
not sure if right image is showing, it seems to be blocked on my comp >_<

Fixed that for you! Click on "Quote", to quote my comment and see how I posted the image.

Cheers!

My contribution:

It looks pretty crap. If anyone knows what the hell that thing is, let us know.

Some sort of .22short pocket revolver

 

[brodie21]

pretty much. i also dont like the heavy machine gun the japanese used in WW2

Any reason why?

Are we talking about the Type 99? The one based of the Bren gun, probably one of the best machine guns ever made, used up to the Falklands war by the UK (and ocaisonally after) and still used by India today.

The only criticism of the Bren gun is that it was too accurate, it wouldn't spread fire out as much when using it to supress or target large groups. But this was fixed using worn out barrels and other modifications.

Though the Type99 may be a far poorer copy, I haven't read much about it.

i was talking about the type 92 heavy machine gun. the rigid clips jammed a whole lot and were terribly hard to load

 

[Pyro Paul]

the M-16. considered the worst assault rifle in the world. any sort of melee with it would shatter the spring-loaded stock and the overly complex firing mechanism was a ***** to clean and jammed alot. the only reason it became the standard american infantry rifle was politics, "buy my gun and you get my vote". it was originally designed for MPs at stateside military bases

very wrong in so many ways.
the fiber glass impregnated resin that consisted of the orginal M-16s as well as the polyimer/glass stocks of more modern m-16s don't shatter. acctually it is physically impossible to shatter these stocks under normal conditions short of running over the weapon with a tank.

further more, jamming only occured with the orginal system which lacked a chromed reciever and barrel as well as used a nitrate/nitroglicerine mixture which leaved a larger amount of residue in the barrel. when using the proper ammunition and a chromed reciever and barrel (M-16a2 and on) the weapon jams quiet infrequently. although it still notiably jams more often then other weapons (400-600 stoppages on the average test of 60,000 rounds) this is hardly of a level of concern (still less then 1%)

the only reason it became a standard american infantry Rifle is because it perfectly filled the position of a highly accurate full automatic rifle that could have a very tight spread and shot pattern on full automatic with low recoil, light ammo(to be carried in bulk), and the capability to provide supressive, volume, and point fire at the need of a squad.

the M-16 is a Professional rifle.

 

[brodie21]

Arent we talking about this one?

Dont see any pistol-grip^^


Besides, full auto was the whole point. The M16 did have alot less stopping-power, but the new smaller round made it able to fire bursts or even full auto, with relatively great precision.

Instead the M-14 got the role as DMR.


I recommend this video for everyone interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6CxQh3YXA

I think its from Discovery or some other channel I'm not familiar with.

ah, i was looking at a modified one, but that is something that could have been modified.

 

[WolfThomas]

i was talking about the type 92 heavy machine gun. the rigid clips jammed a whole lot and were terribly hard to load

Nevermind, carry on sir, got my wires crossed.