What's with all this flat earth crap I've been seeing?

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Don't ask about the flat earth, rather ask why so many believe its round.
Yeah, all Educated Adults will know that Earth is actually a cube and there are 4 simultaneous days going at the same time, because of that [http://wayback.archive.org/web/20160112193916/http://timecube.com/].

(original timecube.com website seems to be down, interestingly, but Wayback Machine is there to the rescue)
Nothing has ever made more or less sense.

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"Honor the 4 days, or you should die."
 

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I've heard theories that the universe is actually a 2d space time projection beyond our understanding or control.

So they would technically be correct.
 

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My main problem with those conspiracy theories is.. why would someone engineer such a hoax?

Let's use the Occam's razor for a moment. The more elaborate conspiracy you are trying to engineer, the larger the ammount of participants must be and the more difficult it is to maintain one. So, the only way such a thing could exist for over a millenia is that a large organization with unlimited capital managed to fund critical institutions all over the globe.

How would they profit from it and why would it be in their interest to fool most of the planet? Also, they fail to explain gravity. If gravity is not the result of objects obtaining a large enough mass, but of some inane force, that would mean the whole of physics is fabricated, including the Newtonian laws.

Do you think the government could have created an organization that created a system as complex and modern physics, build elaborate machines that are able to blast off into the atmosphere and bribe every news anchor that ever lived?
 

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I much prefer the idea that our universe is the outer surface of a black hole. At least that is leaping forwards, not backwards in crazy. Oh well, extra flat earth info here, vaguely amusing;

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jan/20/flat-earth-believers-youtube-videos-conspiracy-theorists

YouTube user TigerDan925 shocked his 26,000 followers recently by conceding a shocking point: Antarctica is a continent. It's not, as he previously thought, an ice wall that encircles the flat disc of land and water we call earth.

For most of us, that's not news. But TigerDan925's followers, like Galileo's 17th century critics, are outraged by his heresy. Welcome to the contentious universe of flat-Earthers - people who believe the notion of a globe-shaped world orbiting the sun is a myth.

Through popular YouTube videos and spiffy sites, they show how easy it is to get attention by questioning scientific consensus. Unfortunately, we don't really know how many people believe in the movement because so many people in it accuse each other of being as fake as Santa Claus (or perhaps the moon landing).


That being said, TigerDan925's admission was not a concession that the world is shaped like the globe. He merely said flat-Earthers need a new map. But for his community, he might as well have abandoned them altogether:

"Next he says the Antarctica is not governed and protected by the Illuminati, that somehow any group deciding to buy and invest in equipment is free to roam anywhere by plane or on land," writes a user by the name Chris Madsen. "This is absolute rubbish ... 2016 is the year it becomes common knowledge the earth is flat, just like 9/11 became common knowledge, no stopping the truth now."

Such schisms are commonplace in flat-Earthdom, where at least three websites are vying to be the official meeting ground for the movement to save us all from the delusion that our world is a globe. Their differences range from petty (who came up with which idea first) to shocking and offensive (whether Jewish people are to blame for suppressing flat-Earth thought). And they regard each other with deep suspicion - almost as if they can't believe that anyone else would believe what they do.

"[The multiple sites are] just the tip of the iceberg," said flat-Earth convert Mark Sargent, who used his two decades of work in the tech and video game industries to create the site enclosedworld.com and a YouTube series called Flat Earth Clues. "There's dissension in the ranks all over the place."

Sargent compares the frenzy to the Monty Python film Life of Brian, in which Brian gains a following that immediately splits over whether to gather shoes, wear one shoe, or possibly follow a gourd.

"It's almost like the beginning of a new religion. Everyone's trying to define it. And they're turning on each other because there's no unified theory." And so, like the People's Front of Judea and the Judean People's Front, they often spend far less time discussing what they believe than they spend attacking each other.

The Flat Earth Society revived in 2004 under the leadership of one Daniel Shenton and was opened to new members in 2009. A dissatisfied group split away in 2013 and launched its own site. A reunification proposal in 2014 has withered, and Shenton's Twitter feed went cold after he posted a cryptic photo of the Terminator in September.

A more fiery split took place when yoga teacher and conspiracy theorist Eric Dubay launched the International Flat Earth Research Society (IFERS) and claimed that the other flat-Earth groups were "controlled opposition": a propaganda tool in which the ideological enemy pretends to be a friend to make the movement look stupid.

Dubay has since posted a lengthy Nixon-style enemies list, labeling Sargent and many other flat-Earthers "shills" who deliberately poison the movement with flawed arguments. Sargent says he was once on good terms with Dubay and doesn't want to speak ill of him. That said, some flat-Earthers are ill at ease with Dubay because of his other work, including a documentary that claims Adolf Hitler was a decent, peace-loving fellow who has been smeared by the Zionist media. Around the turn of the year, Dubay's discussion board has been shut down by a hosting company claiming a terms-of-service violation. He has since started fresh elsewhere, but yet another group popped up with a new site also claiming the IFERS name.

Beyond Dubay's vitriol and a few political squabbles lies a fundamental question for flat-Earth factions: sure, the videos draw hundreds of thousands of page views, but who are the true believers?

A New York magazine piece on flat-Earthdom is skeptical of some who claim the mantle: "The line between actually believing the theory and enthusiastically entertaining is unclear. Being a Flat Earther exists in the same online space as chemtrails and the notion that 9/11 was an inside job: there are some who believe it sincerely, and magnitudes more who entertain the notion ironically."

Some conspiracy theorists take it farther. What if all the flat-Earth talk is a big psychological experiment to see what we humans will believe in an era in which sizable groups already go against scientific consensus on vaccines, evolution and climate change?

"Maybe they wan't to create the perfect concoction of pseudo-science bullshit and fabricated statistics to see who will blindly follow," reads the opening comment of a thread in Reddit's conspiracy theory subreddit. "They can then set up or use the same tactics to further lead the conspiracy community astray. Who else thinks this is a psy-op?"

Just in time for the X-Files revival: trust no one.

I wonder what Trump has to say on the matter...
 

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As with nearly all conspiracy theories it's mainly people wanting to be anti-establishment just cuz. Even if everyone would agree with them that the Earth is indeed flat, they'd find something else to stubbornly rebel against.

This flat Earth shit is just the latest fad.
When did this stupid ass fad start anyway I mean the hollow earth theory makes more sense than it and it's still fucking stupid
Yeah and Hollow earth thing is much cooler too. You get to pretend there are dinosaurs inside!

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My main problem with those conspiracy theories is.. why would someone engineer such a hoax?
An argument (tho I hesitate to call it such) I was once presented was that it's because of jet fuel. The routes of airplanes look curved on a flat map because they lie it's the actual shortest route because earth is not flat, thus air travel companies pretend to take a longer route when actually going from point A to point B directly to overcharge you on jet fuel. I can't even begin to list all the things wrong with that argument.

An another argument was that there is an ice wall that's melting and being destroyed by Russia around the earth disk and it's about to break (so the sea will, I dunno, be drained into the void? To give the turtle holding the disk a shower?) and the government doesn't want the public to panic.
 

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DoPo said:
Yeah, all Educated Adults will know that Earth is actually a cube and there are 4 simultaneous days going at the same time, because of that [http://wayback.archive.org/web/20160112193916/http://timecube.com/].
Oh man, Timecube. A classic bit of Internet insanity. The funny thing is that the base idea isn't technically wrong, but you can split the Earth into any number of sections and make the same point- in fact, we do that very thing with time zones.

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My main problem with those conspiracy theories is.. why would someone engineer such a hoax?
Some people are strangely in love with the idea of a vast government conspiracy trying to stop them from "knowing the truth". It's an easy path to perceived martyrdom.
 

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Because while people like to claim their skeptical, free thinkers who don't fall for the mainstream media's lies and bias they swallow everything that totesfortruthsciencythings.net throws up on their facebook newsfeed. Basically what Barbas said. People have become so convinced that authority=bad that they would rather believe any tripe that vaguely aligns with their world view specifically because it is not being pushed by anybody who's an authority on anything.
Said it better than I could. I would have simply stopped at it people thumping their chest since we're shifting culturally towards viewing edgelords as being heroic free thinkers amidst the last of us PC SJW sheep.
 

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Queen Michael said:
For what it's worth, I doubt that very many of them actually believe it. They might think they do, but deep down they know that they'd be very surprised if the Earth were proven to actually be flat.
THen they're sticking to the role like Andy Kaufman, because nothing gets them to get serious about it.
 

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If you don't like what you are seeing, close your eyes.

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We're in the post-fact era.
*Downs drink*

Seriously, if people don't stop using that term, it is going to wreck my liver.

So when did this wonderful post-fact era start? Because I recall something about JFK conspiracy theories post shooting. I recall people refusing to believe Elvis was dead (and Hitler, since I can't resist Godwins law). I recall a whole bunch of people believing a load of stories about this guy who could bring people back from the dead and walk on water. When were we ever in the fact era, again?

Why do people not agree with me? Post-fact era.

Why does my car not start? Post-fact era.

Why do I keep getting so wasted by this drinking game? Post-fact era.
 

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Why does my car not start? Post-fact era.
I thought mine wouldn't start because the battery is old and it dies overnight in the cold weather. But if yours isn't starting either, I think we might have a green conspiracy on our hands. I've already got my placard. Are you packing?
 

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I thought mine wouldn't start because the battery is old and it dies overnight in the cold weather. But if yours isn't starting either, I think we might have a green conspiracy on our hands. I've already got my placard. Are you packing?
It's gone beyond placards now. We may need to break out a... a... banner.

Obviously, the issue is that I will struggle to get to any protest without my car working. The crafty beggars have thought this one through.
 

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Obviously, the issue is that I will struggle to get to any protest without my car working. The crafty beggars have thought this one through.
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I've had 2 people I know talk to me about this over the last few days.
Some new "documentary" about flat Earth was just released.

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My main problem with those conspiracy theories is.. why would someone engineer such a hoax?
I've heard this:
The government wants us to think that the Earth isn't flat and that the Earth isn't the center of the universe because that would make the Bible seem like it's false and would turn people away from Jesus.
Basically, Galileo and Copernicus were working for the devil.

Cold Shiny said:
I actually think its a joke that everyone is in on.
Maybe the people who put out their "research" are in on it but i know several people who actually believe it.
Yes, they also believe that evolution is a lie.
 

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Either drugs are getting weaker or the human body is building up a strong immunity to the meds.
 

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Vanilla ISIS said:
the Bible seem like it's false and would turn people away from Jesus.
Basically, Galileo and Copernicus were working for the devil.
Man the Catholic Church really needs to start investing posthumous pardons.
 

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You know one of the biggest believers of this is Tila Tequila right? That shows how intelligent the people who support this theory are.
 

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I think its the echo chamber nature of social media. Because its not just flat earth, its every crackpot conspiracy theory.
This.

The internet has enabled crazy minorities to pile in to echo chambers and whip each other up in to groups of crazy that seem bigger than they are.
 

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There are 7 billion people. Lets pick 1 billion of them that are of well below average intelligence. Of those 1 billion lets say 100 million don't even know how bad they are at thinking whilst also being very poorly educated. Those 100 million people will be amongst the stupidest most arrogant people around and they will believe a lot of different stupid things. Amongst those things will be that the earth is flat. Add some deceptive media and echo chambers and the problem easily becomes worse.
 

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RaikuFA said:
You know one of the biggest believers of this is Tila Tequila right? That shows how intelligent the people who support this theory are.
I made the mistake of watching those videos of hers. That laugh, man....
 

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Smithnikov said:
RaikuFA said:
You know one of the biggest believers of this is Tila Tequila right? That shows how intelligent the people who support this theory are.
I made the mistake of watching those videos of hers. That laugh, man....
I'm so sorry. There's a hotline for victims like you. You'll need therapy, a good film or two to watch and some hot cocoa.