What's with the negative view on rock/metal music?
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Like the glorious Meatloaf once said in one of the magnificent songs of the incredible Tenacious D:
MEATLOAF:
"...this music that you play for us;
Comes from the depths of hell!!
Rock 'n Roll's the Devil's Work;
He wants you to Rebel!!
YOu become a mindless puppet!!
Belzebus will pull the strongs!!
Your heart will loose direction...
...and chaos it will bring!!!"
JB:
"Dio can you hear me, i am lost and so alone...
i'm asking for your guidance, won't you come down from your throne.
I need a tight compadre that can teach me how to Rock...
My father thinks your evil, but man he can suck a Cock...
Rock is not the Devils work, it's magical and Rad!!
I'll never Rock has long i'm stuck here with my Daaaad!!!"
(Change "Meatloaf" for retards of nowdays, "Dad" with idiots and the generic pop listeners of nowdays, and "C0ck" with Monster C0ck!! and you got yourself my answer!!)
MEATLOAF:
"...this music that you play for us;
Comes from the depths of hell!!
Rock 'n Roll's the Devil's Work;
He wants you to Rebel!!
YOu become a mindless puppet!!
Belzebus will pull the strongs!!
Your heart will loose direction...
...and chaos it will bring!!!"
JB:
"Dio can you hear me, i am lost and so alone...
i'm asking for your guidance, won't you come down from your throne.
I need a tight compadre that can teach me how to Rock...
My father thinks your evil, but man he can suck a Cock...
Rock is not the Devils work, it's magical and Rad!!
I'll never Rock has long i'm stuck here with my Daaaad!!!"
(Change "Meatloaf" for retards of nowdays, "Dad" with idiots and the generic pop listeners of nowdays, and "C0ck" with Monster C0ck!! and you got yourself my answer!!)
Probably a carry over from the days when metal got all the bad press that video games do now. You know, caused kids to become murderers, praised Satan if you played it backwards, etc.
Which is why I used to love freaking people out with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j49evDiRqVA
I'm not the biggest fan of metal, but don't particularly loathe the stuff.
Which is why I used to love freaking people out with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j49evDiRqVA
I'm not the biggest fan of metal, but don't particularly loathe the stuff.
If the only metal they have heard were the stuff that are shown on scuzz and other rock channels (Black Veil Brides, Bring Me the Horizon etc) then I would agree with them that its shit. Gladly I know better, and know that metal is a very diverse genre.
Also its the fact that metalheads seem to exclusively listen to metal that it shuns people away from trying the genre, there is alot of elitism as well for people only begining to like metal so that may make people give up giving it a chance. For example I know alot of people who all they listen to is metalcore and death metal, they will not try anything else and therefore seem as shallow minded as the people who say stuff against metal. Casual listeners to music only really care for popular stuff and metal has never been the most popular form of music to the public (even in the early 80s),therefore the public ignore it.
Btw I listen to mainly Metal and Prog Rock but do not stick to those genres all the time.
Also its the fact that metalheads seem to exclusively listen to metal that it shuns people away from trying the genre, there is alot of elitism as well for people only begining to like metal so that may make people give up giving it a chance. For example I know alot of people who all they listen to is metalcore and death metal, they will not try anything else and therefore seem as shallow minded as the people who say stuff against metal. Casual listeners to music only really care for popular stuff and metal has never been the most popular form of music to the public (even in the early 80s),therefore the public ignore it.
Btw I listen to mainly Metal and Prog Rock but do not stick to those genres all the time.
If they call Rock and Metal offensive, then go off and listen to LMFAO and Nikki Minaj with a straight face, they are all kinds of stupid.MonkeyGH said:
The main reason why Rock and Metal get such a negative rep with a lot of people is because it is a very diverse genre and most get exposed to the worst the genre has to offer. It's also taken it's share of public beatings over the last few decades, especially with Glam, Nu, Rap/Rock, and Shock. But like any genre of music, there are always the highly technical, innovative minds that keep it moving forward. If the person isn't interested in the base sound of metal in the first place, they probably won't be interesting in finding out these people for themselves, regardless of their musicianship.
I don't see much active hate against metal, but if you ask the average person off the street, they'd hate it. It can be quite intense and definitely takes getting used to, which is where more poppy metal bands such as Linkin Park and Disturbed come in as gateway bands.
Well Heavy Metal people aren't any different in a general scale. Many people who like Pop, Dance and Techno(and more obviously) styles unsurprisingly dislike Metal and Rock as they are wildly different genres in the usage of sound but Pop is a lot closer to Rock than the others are.
I like Metal and older songs but that doesn't make me entirely unique neither does hating metal but what I am ultimately trying to get at is that you shouldn't care about people think about what you listen to. If I want to listen to Atreyu, Benny Goodman, Blondie, David Bowie, Bach and then AC/DC I shouldn't(and don't care what people think).
I will however, say I dislike and hate the styles of Justin Bieber, Rebecca Black, tolerate Lady Gaga and others as those are my opinions. Although, I'll only say if asked. That sure doesn't make me unique on the internet.
I like Metal and older songs but that doesn't make me entirely unique neither does hating metal but what I am ultimately trying to get at is that you shouldn't care about people think about what you listen to. If I want to listen to Atreyu, Benny Goodman, Blondie, David Bowie, Bach and then AC/DC I shouldn't(and don't care what people think).
I will however, say I dislike and hate the styles of Justin Bieber, Rebecca Black, tolerate Lady Gaga and others as those are my opinions. Although, I'll only say if asked. That sure doesn't make me unique on the internet.
I suppose for the first few listens, you might have trouble telling apart metal bands, and it all kind of sounds the same, especially if the vocals are screamed or growled, which tends to be the most off-putting aspect for a lot of people. It's a view I can sympathize with, because despite loving metal and having a music library that's at least 70% metal and rock, I can't stand death metal for the most part. I can't tell it apart, and I don't enjoy what I do hear enough to want to try to tell it apart either.
For the most part though, I've never really had anyone come out and say my chosen genres of music were anything more than 'not my thing' since I was in my early teens, and even then it was mostly by other teens. I've found it to be pretty accepted now. Heck, when Slipknot released the 'Psychosocial' single, they played it on Radio 1 in the middle of the day (for the non-British Escapists, imagine Radio 1 as the equivalent of whatever really popular and mainstream radio station everyone listens to in your area).
For the most part though, I've never really had anyone come out and say my chosen genres of music were anything more than 'not my thing' since I was in my early teens, and even then it was mostly by other teens. I've found it to be pretty accepted now. Heck, when Slipknot released the 'Psychosocial' single, they played it on Radio 1 in the middle of the day (for the non-British Escapists, imagine Radio 1 as the equivalent of whatever really popular and mainstream radio station everyone listens to in your area).
I really dislike bands like Black Veil Brides but I've never understood the hate for Bring Me The Horizon. Sure, I can see why people wouldn't particularly like them, especially with the vocals, but I've always found them to be much more interesting and enjoyable than most metalcore bands, even the more accepted ones such as August Burns Red. They don't even look like a bunch of scene kids anymore.xplosive59 said:
I really don't give a shit what anyone thinks about my choice of music. If I want to hear a man that sounds like a growling dog sing tales of Vikings slaughtering Christians then death metal it is.
This idea that metal is whiny is, frankly, stupid. It comes from metalcore or more "acceptable" bands like Killswitch Engage or newer Slipknot (aka mall metal). Popular music is mostly cry baby love song bullshit, and bands are accepted by a wider audience if they aren't talking about crushing religion or warfare or something. If your metal is whiny, you're doing it wrong. Metal should be focused aggression and controlled chaos, hellbent on attacking all forms of conformity and authority as owing to the hardcore punk origins of the music. That is, unless, someone feels like showing off on their instrument (because let's see you do it).
Similarly, most metal bands have lyrics revolving around complex themes or topics, in addition to the more simplistic songs glorifying violence and debauchery (or, frequently, the consequences thereof because we aren't completely retarded). There is more intelligence in most real metal than in anything popular. I swear to god, the radio is nothing more than constant ***** worship.
Considering there is a huge difference in the sound of all metal genres, saying it all sounds the same just makes me assume your ears/brain do not function properly. Yes, Hatebreed sounds just like Dimmu Borgir because they are both screaming or growling.... never mind the different song structures, lyrical topics, or the fact that the latter has a fucking orchestra. Solos aren't even all too common either, neither are they uniformly long. The eighties was a long time ago. Get out of the bubble oh mighty Time Traveler.
-Also!- Someone said metal is about who has the longest hair?? What? I had long hair once and didn't like it. Most people have short hair or a shaved head owing to the fact that employers are babies (and long hair can be grabbed in the pit, which is bad).
This idea that metal is whiny is, frankly, stupid. It comes from metalcore or more "acceptable" bands like Killswitch Engage or newer Slipknot (aka mall metal). Popular music is mostly cry baby love song bullshit, and bands are accepted by a wider audience if they aren't talking about crushing religion or warfare or something. If your metal is whiny, you're doing it wrong. Metal should be focused aggression and controlled chaos, hellbent on attacking all forms of conformity and authority as owing to the hardcore punk origins of the music. That is, unless, someone feels like showing off on their instrument (because let's see you do it).
Similarly, most metal bands have lyrics revolving around complex themes or topics, in addition to the more simplistic songs glorifying violence and debauchery (or, frequently, the consequences thereof because we aren't completely retarded). There is more intelligence in most real metal than in anything popular. I swear to god, the radio is nothing more than constant ***** worship.
Considering there is a huge difference in the sound of all metal genres, saying it all sounds the same just makes me assume your ears/brain do not function properly. Yes, Hatebreed sounds just like Dimmu Borgir because they are both screaming or growling.... never mind the different song structures, lyrical topics, or the fact that the latter has a fucking orchestra. Solos aren't even all too common either, neither are they uniformly long. The eighties was a long time ago. Get out of the bubble oh mighty Time Traveler.
-Also!- Someone said metal is about who has the longest hair?? What? I had long hair once and didn't like it. Most people have short hair or a shaved head owing to the fact that employers are babies (and long hair can be grabbed in the pit, which is bad).
I will describe how I got into metal music and how it influenced me for the last 7 years.
I started with Linkin Park, liked the way it sounded and was a bit angry and rebellious. I always mocked my sister who listened to metal because it all sounded the same to me. Then I started listening to Iced Earth, Disturbed and Evergrey. After that In Flames and other melodeath bands intrigued me. Then came all the metalcore and hardcore punk bands.
I found out about Machinae Supremacy from a game called Jets'n'Guns. Loved the game, loved the music. The voice was a bit meh, but learned to love it and can't imagine it sounding any different now. With many bands that I listened to starting to delve a bit into electronica, I found out about Celldweller and got into Rammstein (I can't stand german in music).
Turns out I liked Industrial, but never figured it out. Devin Towsend in particular had elements of it, but I could never figure out what atracted me to his music. Started listening to NIN, Muse, Queens of the Stone age and Post rock.
I am so fucking thankful for post rock. After going through so much different types of rock music I found something that was different. Everything that ever annoyed me about death and similiar metal was now gone, but the musical quality remained. Today I listen to everything that I mentioned here, and unlike some, I'm not ashamed of admitting to liking slipknot and the likes.
All of this wouldn't be possible if I just shunned away everything based on people around me. I explored and found out what I liked. I don't like pop, cheap techno and gangsta rap. Also I don't like drum and bass and dubstep that sounds like cheap techno but with wubwubwubwubwub.
I started with Linkin Park, liked the way it sounded and was a bit angry and rebellious. I always mocked my sister who listened to metal because it all sounded the same to me. Then I started listening to Iced Earth, Disturbed and Evergrey. After that In Flames and other melodeath bands intrigued me. Then came all the metalcore and hardcore punk bands.
I found out about Machinae Supremacy from a game called Jets'n'Guns. Loved the game, loved the music. The voice was a bit meh, but learned to love it and can't imagine it sounding any different now. With many bands that I listened to starting to delve a bit into electronica, I found out about Celldweller and got into Rammstein (I can't stand german in music).
Turns out I liked Industrial, but never figured it out. Devin Towsend in particular had elements of it, but I could never figure out what atracted me to his music. Started listening to NIN, Muse, Queens of the Stone age and Post rock.
I am so fucking thankful for post rock. After going through so much different types of rock music I found something that was different. Everything that ever annoyed me about death and similiar metal was now gone, but the musical quality remained. Today I listen to everything that I mentioned here, and unlike some, I'm not ashamed of admitting to liking slipknot and the likes.
All of this wouldn't be possible if I just shunned away everything based on people around me. I explored and found out what I liked. I don't like pop, cheap techno and gangsta rap. Also I don't like drum and bass and dubstep that sounds like cheap techno but with wubwubwubwubwub.
Quoted from the Wikipedia article on Rock. Extremely high mainstream popularity is not quite the same as everyone hating on it... or at elast I think it isn't. Is it opposite day today?
Metal is not well received because it's a niche genre. People don't like screaming. Accept the fact that people have different opinions or get off the internet before you hurt yourself.
About a month ago, a friend convinced me I was a hipster because I listen to Metal and it's not considered mainstream anymore, what with the rise of dubstep, and indy rock bands.
We were both pretty drunk though.
We were both pretty drunk though.
I completely agree. Most of Metal's bad rep comes from the more extreme antics of groups like Gorgoroth or Last Days of Humanity. I mean, I've listened to some of Varg's stuff to get a feel of what Satanic Metal is like, and I honestly was underwhelmed. Gorgoroth's got a fairly poor sense of musicality and seems to record its albums on gear that predates Methuselah. They're sure good at getting publicity, though, what with Varg dressing up like a Nazi and killing people and burning churches and whatnot...Raggedstar said:
Even with this in mind, the seriously offensive subgenres of Metal are a niche market. They don't play on mainstream radio stations and their dedication to levels of provocation that would make Marilyn Manson cringe seems kind of childish to me.
As far as *music* is concerned, the most turgid and fingerquotes-evil music I can tolerate is Cradle of Filth. They've got a great sense of showmanship and they manage to balance the Modern Dandy act with an interesting production. "Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder" is one of my favorite thematic albums to date because of that.
I'll definitely have to check out Nightwish, though. Of all the bands listed in your post, it's the only one I haven't tried out.
Sure.Matthew94 said:
This song for example (I hate this shit by the way) is SOME of the stuff that is just "all screaming".
Again, I hate this crap, I would never listen to this I'm just using it as an example. xD
This however is completely different (It's still listed as "Metal" in my iTunes). I don't hear a single "Scream", maybe some grunting noises but thats about it, the rest is just kickass music and decent lyrics that actually have meaning (Lots of Disturbed songs try to prove a point)
For example this song (One of my favourites) is a message against war and corruption in governments. Not just mindless yelling about death and shit like that.
There's my evidence :3