What's Wrong With Communism?

[grimsprice]

Everything we had drilled into our skulls since elementary school. America doesn't want it's citizens to think.

I had to go right ahead and fix that for you.

Everything in American society seems directed toward making people NOT think. From poorly funded schools to the annoying "U.S.A." chanting during electoral speeches.

Well, I'm not gonna argue with you there.

LOL I will.

Every country shows its form of patriotism. Whats wrong with Chanting "USA" Should we get mad at the brits for singing "God bless the Queen"? It's just part of their culture

Look man, just leave, just leave. I've tried to deal with these people before. I spent a lot of time fighting for logic, but it doesn't sink in. If you back these people into a corner they can't get out of all they'll say is that you're a rich pig that sits in his mansion while kids in africa die.

Heres the truth about these people. They need so badly to be important, to be part of the uprising. To be worthy of their name being in the history books. Its an urge they don't understand. And it leads them to embrace the most illogical things. They will deny it because they don't realize it. They can't accept the world, they can't stagnate and be part of it. And they blame the government for putting them down, or they blame their employer who puts them down out of greed. Its a really complex psychological disorder, one that hasn't fully been explored by medical science. Just leave them alone. When they are 85 and the communist revolution hasn't happened, they'll just say their grandkids will free the world of the super rich and greedy capitalist pigs. I'm done fighting them, so i spend my time sifting through these threads to find the decent intelligent people like you, and i warn you. Stay away, just let them go off and feel like they have won. Take these words of wisdom from a war veteran in the crusade against ignorance and stupidity.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

Too many Americans are afraid of it.
AND, others believe that Obama will make America a communistic society.
But, i see no problem in this. Communism is a great idea if a country already has a stable economy, and hey, free healthcare would be great. It's a great idea it's just been used wrong.

So really, what's wrong with Communism?

Nothing, it's used everywhere, sorry to say. Capitalism is still an abstract form of communism.
We're given the illusion of choice, but really, the government owns everything. Freedom of speech no longer exists. You say something the government doesn't want you to, publicly and you're a dead man. Just accept it and move along like good sheep, don't try and buck the system, don't try and invent something that could help the world's economic climate or unsustainable fuel problems. The government won't let you.

Wow... a paranoid git against capatalism, how original XD

I'm not even going to bother...

My face almost fell off from the laughter of that Freedom of Speech statement. So the protesters that called George Bush a war criminal got put away, right? Or how about the more recent one about the guy with the sign saying "Death to Obama, Death to his wife, and Death to his two dumb kids."?

Yeah, Freedom of Speech is dead alright. *rolls eyes*

Edit: As for the topic at hand...It just doesn't work. It'd be great if it did, so we could all go live happily ever after, but it just doesn't work. We must learn from history. I don't know why everyone is stuck on trying to make Communism work, meanwhile they should just come up with the next, new and improved government.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Everything we had drilled into our skulls since elementary school. America doesn't want it's citizens to think.

I had to go right ahead and fix that for you.

Everything in American society seems directed toward making people NOT think. From poorly funded schools to the annoying "U.S.A." chanting during electoral speeches.

Well, I'm not gonna argue with you there.

LOL I will.

Every country shows its form of patriotism. Whats wrong with Chanting "USA" Should we get mad at the brits for singing "God bless the Queen"? It's just part of their culture

Look man, just leave, just leave. I've tried to deal with these people before. I spent a lot of time fighting for logic, but it doesn't sink in. If you back these people into a corner they can't get out of all they'll say is that you're a rich pig that sits in his mansion while kids in africa die.

Heres the truth about these people. They need so badly to be important, to be part of the uprising. To be worthy of their name being in the history books. Its an urge they don't understand. And it leads them to embrace the most illogical things. They will deny it because they don't realize it. They can't accept the world, they can't stagnate and be part of it. And they blame the government for putting them down, or they blame their employer who puts them down out of greed. Its a really complex psychological disorder, one that hasn't fully been explored by medical science. Just leave them alone. When they are 85 and the communist revolution hasn't happened, they'll just say their grandkids will free the world of the super rich and greedy capitalist pigs. I'm done fighting them, so i spend my time sifting through these threads to find the decent intelligent people like you, and i warn you. Stay away, just let them go off and feel like they have won. Take these words of wisdom from a war veteran in the crusade against ignorance and stupidity.

Yeah, I love those people. The same people that don't research we send plenty of aid to africa.. or did until they decided to strip land from white farmers through violence and force, giving it to black farmers (Can we say Racism? No wait, they aren't americans, so pocky eating, greenpeace loving, PETA believing people wil lfind excuse to call that NOT racism) and in turn, lowering their already in the negatives food production for their starving populous by over 80%...

 

[MortisLegio]

people belive obama will make america a communist counry? since when?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.129561?page=1
What's with all the communist threads recently?
Oh well, I don't think it works very well, relies too much on the milk of human kindness, especially if you believe in pure communism as a form of anarchy. Socialism on the other hand has my support.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Socialism

Socialism
- noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/communism

?noun
1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2. (often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
3. (initial capital letter) the principles and practices of the Communist party.

So... you support one but not the other... that makes no since, since there almost the same thing

 

[lostclause]

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Not really. Communism is an unattainble ideal (as Marx says) but socialism is the steps down that road. I think we should wonder down that road to a point but I don't support full communism. Simple as that.
Read your definitions more closely, what I've said is part of no.3 under socialism.

 

[That One Six]

Everything we had drilled into our skulls since elementary school. America doesn't want it's citizens to think.

I had to go right ahead and fix that for you.

Everything in American society seems directed toward making people NOT think. From poorly funded schools to the annoying "U.S.A." chanting during electoral speeches.

Well, I'm not gonna argue with you there.

LOL I will.

Every country shows its form of patriotism. Whats wrong with Chanting "USA" Should we get mad at the brits for singing "God bless the Queen"? It's just part of their culture

That's not the point. The point is that the U.S. government underestimates it's citizens and doesn't want the to think about anything. That's the reason for this recession.

 

[DuplicateValue]

Watch "Novecento".

The communists in it are the good guys. Mainly because the fascists headbutt a cat.

Stupid fascists.

 

[Plazmatic]

Too many Americans are afraid of it.
AND, others believe that Obama will make America a communistic society.
But, i see no problem in this. Communism is a great idea if a country already has a stable economy, and hey, free healthcare would be great. It's a great idea it's just been used wrong.

So really, what's wrong with Communism?

I aggree that communisim in theory, is not a bad Idea, but, in the United States case it could never work, we are too corrupt, It would just end up as a worse disaster than the Soviet Union, and be ten thousand times worse than Red China. The only way it could work if money was out of the picture, but by that time you might as well use a resource economy with world unity and no government, just resource managment.

 

[Doclector]

Nothing is wrong with communism. On paper, it's the idea of a utopia in which everyone is truly equal, and everyone shares with everyone else. The problem is, it's practise prevents anyone who wants to work harder for greater rewards.

"Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?...No says the communist, it belongs to everyone"-Andrew Ryan, "bioshock"

Also, the enforcement of such a policy of shared wealth practically requires a dictatorship to function.

Basically, if a practical, truly fair way of communism could be worked out, then nothing would be wrong with communism, but for now, it is nothing but a utopian fairytale.

 

[grimsprice]

Too many Americans are afraid of it.
AND, others believe that Obama will make America a communistic society.
But, i see no problem in this. Communism is a great idea if a country already has a stable economy, and hey, free healthcare would be great. It's a great idea it's just been used wrong.

So really, what's wrong with Communism?

I aggree that communisim in theory, is not a bad Idea, but, in the United States case it could never work, we are too corrupt, It would just end up as a worse disaster than the Soviet Union, and be ten thousand times worse than Red China. The only way it could work if money was out of the picture, but by that time you might as well use a resource economy with world unity and no government, just resource managment.

The first american settlement in the 'new world' was originally a commune. It failed epicly. Almost everyone died during the winter because no one wanted to grow food. They wanted to be lazy. The few people who did grow food noticed this and so they horded some food for themselves and hid it. Only a few of the people who horded food survived. Malnourished and sickly, they survived the winter with almost no food left over. Everyone else died. Communes never work because some people are lazy and stupid. Even if their impending death is explained to them.

Money is not the root of all evil. Money is not the reason people are greedy. When people used to trade grain for goats and sheep, days of labor for bags of rice (in other words no money) people were still greedy. People would think their goat was worth more grain. Evil is not a product of money, its human nature.

 

[Rooster Cogburn]

That's not the point. The point is that the U.S. government underestimates it's citizens and doesn't want the to think about anything. That's the reason for this recession.

I agree with the accusation against the U.S. government, but I see no reason to stop there. European countries have their own intentional mind-rot. It's called 'the state', and that's what it does.

If we're talking recession, I should point out the only people who predicted this recession (and every one for the past one hundred years including 1929) were the human action, free market (real, left free market- not Republicans) economic theorists. The Keynesians were caught with their pants down- again. And they'll benefit from the downturn by acting as establishment shills- again.

 

[Rawker]

the problem is that we still HAVE a government. Anarchists have one law. no one should have there ass in a throne. i don't care if "Oh, we get to pick who tells us what to do." or "Hey, lets make everything fair" because you wind up complaining about who you picked a year later, or you come to the sad realization that life isn't fair. In anarchy, there comes equality, because can no longer blame anyone or anything for your own failures or sucess

 

[WhiteTiger225]

the problem is that we still HAVE a government. Anarchists have one law. no one should have there ass in a throne. i don't care if "Oh, we get to pick who tells us what to do." or "Hey, lets make everything fair" because you wind up complaining about who you picked a year later, or you come to the sad realization that life isn't fair. In anarchy, there comes equality, because can no longer blame anyone or anything for your own failures or sucess

Yeah anarchy is great.. up until one asshole convinces a few other assholes that they can take power from the seperated and ungoverned masses of people. Racist groups would grow more power without government to step in the way (Since law enforcement requires government) Anarchy is great... in theory. But as you said, life is unfair, and as an anarchy, not only are you going against human nature, you are expecting humans to always take responsibility of themselves, to be responsible of themselves, and to not do bad onto their neighbor(s). Remember, humans biggest nature is Mob Mentality. Humans are ONT solitary animals, they are tribal.

 

[rainman2203]

Why do you hate America?

Sorry, sorry, had to say it. As no doubt most people have said in this thread, Communism works in theory but not in practice. Its operable in small communities (say, communes), but en mass its not sustainable. I like socialism personally. I don't know if it'll ever work in America, but I suppose I could always move to a non-fail country in the future.

 

[SsilverR]

OK DON'T HATE ME FOR THIS

communism is a good idea .. it's a nice dream ... but it's too unrealistic .. you would need a perfect world with perfect people for communism to work ... not only are we not that .. but we'll probably never be it either

 

[Nageck]

First off, I'm sure someone has already said everything I am about to say but I don't feel like reading twelve pages of comments. If you've heard it already feel free to stop reading. Second, Communism and Socialism are not the same thing. The news is mostly calling socialist on Obama. Granted, they are similar, but not the same. Communism is flawed for one reason: greed. Communism is one of the most well-organized forms of government and would work if it were not for human greed. In theory, it's perfect, but humans prefer the choices and ambition that come with capitalism and thus fit roughly in a form of government best suited for machines. Also, to keep communism alive the leader has to be completely devoted to the communistic ideas and care more for those ideas and his country than he (or she) does for himself (or herself). The odds of getting a line of leaders that all believe in this is rare, so communism is always going to be exploited by a power-craving dictator.

 

[daxter101]

I dont get why everyone wants to change what we have, here in australia we have a healthy mix of capatilist and socialist institutions and laws, we have free healthcare and education, the basic necessities, and we have limited goverment funding to those that cant possibly make enough to live.
Yet i am still free to live my own life as i want to, i can eat what i want, do what i want, beleive what i want and say what i want.
Why would i want to change that?

People who work harder should get more, thats how it should be and thats how it is, i dont see anything wrong with that.

 

[AWC Viper]

Communisim Works in theory but doesnt work in life because of greed. simple greed