What's wrong with Polygamy
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Right, you miss the possibility of people entering one not realizing the facts. To say "not everyone will be forced into one" is silly when that sort of thing happens in monogamous relationships. As well like i said in a different post entering into the agreement might not seem to be a bad idea at first, but if the situation ends up being bad through neglect or even abuse the single woman leaving the relationship can find trouble in cases of being the smaller party. If we treat all members equal that one woman leaving is only entitled to 1/X of the possessions. The more partners the less she can walk away with. Meaning a someone can be trapped in a painful relationship because of a bad decision. You see how that could be bad? The idea of the law is that while some of the relationships CAN work the fact that it makes anyone attempting to leave quite honestly at there victimizes mercy incredibly wrong.Billion Backs said:
One could expect a home with so many adults - working adults, one can assume - would have more stuff to divide.Kagim said:
And unfortunately all these issues apply to monogamous relationships as much as to any other kind.
Sorry I had to separate your post a bit, it's easier this way.
You see, the same way one can idealistically expect a monogamous relationship to have mutual love between both parties, one should assume a polygamous relationship to contain mutual love between all involved parties.
Neither is necessarily the case in real life, but then again, life's a *****.
A lot of what you've said is linked to current, and in my opinion, pretty disgusting, values.
There would have to be a social and cultural revolution in people's heads not unlike ones that already happened during the past century - the early feminist movements, the gay rights movements, black rights, and all that.
As I see it, all the cultural "complaints" you've rightfully presented against polygamy can and would have applied to all the movements I mentioned above. In a society before feminist movement, how likely it would be for most males to view females as something close to an equal? In a society before black rights movements, how likely it would be for an average white person to accept a black person as an equal?
Values change, I guess. And sometimes - or perhaps always - they require a little push.
Well in general principle, nothing as long as all parties involved are happy with the arrangement I suppose. You won't catch me getting involved in such a relationship, but to each their own.
However if you're talking about those Mormon Extremest Polygamist colonies (note: I said "extremist" I don't want to paint all Mormons with the same brush), it was my understanding that they were forcing girls as young as 13 & 14 to marry 40 & 50 year old men and yeah I do see a distinct problem with that.
However if you're talking about those Mormon Extremest Polygamist colonies (note: I said "extremist" I don't want to paint all Mormons with the same brush), it was my understanding that they were forcing girls as young as 13 & 14 to marry 40 & 50 year old men and yeah I do see a distinct problem with that.
I would rather slam my head in a car door repeatedly than live in the same house with mutiple women who all have PMS at the same time, Dear God what a nightmare that would be!!!!!!
I'ma back out of here, the internet and it's loud opinions frighten me Oo.
I would have no problem putting on sexy costumes and making sadwiches, but I'll be dead before I have to compete with another woman in my mans life! =3Jaranja said:
As mentioned throughout this thread, I would have no problem with polygamy if all parties involved were regarded as equals. I think that polygamy in generally looked down upon because most reported cases of such involve arrangements where women are treated as the property of a man, much like harems.
There's such an unbelievably huge number of holes in your theory that I have no idea where to even begin, and I really don't feel like getting sucked into another god damn argument on the internet. You fail to account for a looot of human nature.Billion Backs said:
I would have to say that for, ninety percent of polygamous relationships, it would turn out badly. Jealousy, envy, anger, repression of feelings for the good of the group, selfishness, and the lack of privacy would result in complete failures. Divorce rates would skyrocket, more children will turn out to be fucked up, world turns into bigger shithole.
Not to mention the huge number of economic and tax problems large scale polygamy would create and the huge number of court cases that would erupt between family members and sons and daughters all believing they should be getting a bigger part of and inheritance or what have you...it just would not work on an economic and a personal level. Those who make an exception of this are either forced into the relationship, a la a sultan with a harem, or just pretty weird in general, as seen on TV.
Also, psst, your bias is showing. A monogamous relationship between a mother and father has been proven to be significantly beneficial to the development of children. Trust me, I have no interest in marriage either, but I do know that once a child has multiple mommies and daddies things start being a little skewed. Once they start coming and going when the divorced start coming in, a sense of permanence is destroyed and relationship problems later in life will develop, leading to even more divorces, which I'm fairly certain has led to the current high divorce rate.
Fuck, got dragged into it anyways.
What if there isn't. You basing that on the concept that more people equals more things. Just because there are three members that doesn't mean triple the amount of stuff nor does it mean all three are working. While these issues apply to monogamous relationships as well everything is cut down the middle(more or less). In a lower class group of three or more people someone trying to escape a bad situation could be left to choose between homelessness and abuse. The point is that polyg--- would make these situations more often, be more sever, and more people would become trapped. Not that these situations don't exist at present.Billion Backs said:
Current and disgusting values? Not cheating on people? My point was that screwing other woman generally leads to your wife or girlfriend to become a little pissed at you. That regardless if people walk into thinking they can live with that there is a good chance later this will cause them psychological damage in terms of feelings of neglect and possibly breeding contempt of the other spouse(s). This isn't a wild guess. This is stuff that happened in the seventies when people tried that. Once an intimate connection is made very few women are okay with literally sharing there loved one with somebody else on a permanent scale. This happens in the animal kingdom as well as the human kingdom. A female animal will usually attempt to keep a hold on the male creature for as long as possible. Even to the point of killing other females. The higher up the scales of intelligence the more you see this as a prevailing factor. Not only that but in situations where Females are close to, or even match the male populations occurrences of multiple mates is next to non existent.Billion Backs said:
Please don't compare black enslavement, women oppression, and gay bashing to someone wanting to have a bunch of wives.
Black people were treated like scum in a society where murdering one of them was on the same level of breaking your neighbors lawnmower.
Woman were treated pretty much like the family pet.
And gays STILL get the shit kicked out of them only for many authorities to just look the other way.
People might not like Ployg--- but to this date i have never heard of one getting hate crime murdered or raped then the known killer openly taking credit to just get a slap on the wrist.
Hell, my county's president has at least ten wives. ( I don't know exactly as the figure increases at least once every four months). It is like communism, it works in principle. But it is let down by poor implementation. It isn't inherently wrong.Quiet Stranger said:
I'd like to see links to such proof, thanks.Angryman101 said:
And then I'd like YOU to think of credibility of such proof considering how many monogamous relationships end in divorces or consist of parents that don't care about their children. At all.
What, do you think that most (I'd say about half at least) of monogamous relationships don't face "Jealousy, envy, anger, repression of feelings for the good of the group, selfishness"?
Especially considering how bullshit the concept of life-long marriage out of love is... Marriage is the epitome of "repression of feelings for the good of the group". If both parties cared about love, they wouldn't bind themselves with financial agreements that led them to a total shithole once they stop caring about each other.
The whole system as it is is a largely a failure.
And gee, shows how biased mods are these days. One can see people suspended and banned for far less then all the expletives and personal attacks you spewed in "that thread", on first call no less.
If I can do a catgirl maid we can talk =3Jaranja said:Don't get me wrong, I don't feel the need to have more than one woman in my life. Now, how about that costume/sandwich combo?
I don't mind the idea of people having multiple lovers (a big part of me even endorses it) but I can't say that I particularly like those Arabian sheiks who've got like 400 wives each. At that point, there's no love, and the woman is considered a posession and not a person.
I support polyamory, not polygamy.
I support polyamory, not polygamy.
Hehehe... every single women's rights group hates polygamy. Why these groups apparently have so much power mystifies me to no end (Humans have only one right: the right to have and act with free will). But I digress...
Polygamy is a sin by Christian standards (Mormons are definitely not Christians doctrinally OR practically, so forget about them for now). Furthermore, remember that the US was founded with distinctly Christian principles and that Christianity was the majority religion in the 19th century (the time of the ban on polygamy). This ban persists to this day. Note that polygamy is rarely prosecuted unless it occurs in conjunction with another crime (such as child abuse).
Polygamy is a sin by Christian standards (Mormons are definitely not Christians doctrinally OR practically, so forget about them for now). Furthermore, remember that the US was founded with distinctly Christian principles and that Christianity was the majority religion in the 19th century (the time of the ban on polygamy). This ban persists to this day. Note that polygamy is rarely prosecuted unless it occurs in conjunction with another crime (such as child abuse).